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How To Make Cannabis Paste

wildjim

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As per this book (some of my "light reading"):
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The "official" lab name for burping is called bumping and it happens with a lot of liquids during evaporation. The molecules in the liquid expand and evaporate faster than the ones on top and since the liquid is a bit thicker you get these "eruptions".

Several things can be done to reduce bumping:
1. Have precise temperature control; with the PIC you should be able to come down from 180 to 175 to 170 and 160 if needed. Usually only 10 degree increments are available but medium low is 175.
2. use "evaporation stones"; these are like a small golf ball and increase the surface are to promote the formation of bubbles. I recommend you use a handful of large marbles and just throw them in there.

I use my Nuwave oven on power level 6 to decarb. It outputs a very precise 250*F (+/- 5*F) and only takes 3 minutes to preheat so I just add 3 minutes to my time.

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Thanks. My wife does the chemistry. She is a MT, chemist and biologist by degrees. She has managed a lab for 25 years.

If there is no plant material in your alcohol oil mixture it won't burp, as I experienced it in my second attempt at making my oil when refiltering stopped the burping. In my error I didn't filter the third wash after straining the muslin bag of material, my only part in making my oil. A lot of plant material was left in alcohol oil mixture. My first attempt at making oil, I filtered properly and had no burping. When I filtered properly this time I had no burping. So your explanation probably explains some burping cases but in my case, I think it was the plant material.

I'll have to try decarbing in my oven or on the PIC2. Can't afford to buy another product from NuWave for a while.

WJ
 

SweetLeef

New Member
Hey WildJim,

I was just grasping at straws attempting to keep things from getting anymore out of hand. I wasn't making excuses for you I was just using examples from past experiences as a reminder that everybody should take a step back and thing about things before reacting in such a way. I didn't think you were grumpy, but knowing how easy it is to completely misconstrue text. That is all. No hard feelings?
 

SweetLeef

New Member
Now then,

It has come to be that The HarelSin is coming down tomorrow(later today after I wake up).

Do I dry and cure the weed before making the oil? Just dry it? Use fresh weed?

I think I've got a handle on the rest of it. That being said, I will be re-reading and re-re-reading morocco's how too as well as Lab Rats 39% extraction yield RSO how to. As well as watching Lab Rats videos a few more times.

I'm getting excited! I need to track down a few pieces of equipment still, but I don't think that will be a problem :)
 

SweetLeef

New Member
Here's a neat little thing. What do you guys think about this solvent less method?

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I don't think it's be great for large quantities, and who knows what kind of potency you would get. Still I feel with not much material this could be a decent way to get some meds into someone.
 

wildjim

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Hey WildJim,

I was just grasping at straws attempting to keep things from getting anymore out of hand. I wasn't making excuses for you I was just using examples from past experiences as a reminder that everybody should take a step back and thing about things before reacting in such a way. I didn't think you were grumpy, but knowing how easy it is to completely misconstrue text. That is all. No hard feelings?

I'm taking my bong and going home... :peace: SweetLeef you couldn't do anything to cause hard feelings with me. I've been reading things with your moniker since before I signed up. You and I are gold pal. Plus, I forget stuff pretty quickly. Thanks to my 2nd stroke I have short term memory issues and epilepsy. I'm not angry or have any feelings about that member. I just wanted to know what he meant.

Say hello to your wonderful sister.

WJ :ciao:
 

wildjim

Well-Known Member
Now then,

It has come to be that The HarelSin is coming down tomorrow(later today after I wake up).

Do I dry and cure the weed before making the oil? Just dry it? Use fresh weed?

I think I've got a handle on the rest of it. That being said, I will be re-reading and re-re-reading morocco's how too as well as Lab Rats 39% extraction yield RSO how to. As well as watching Lab Rats videos a few more times.

I'm getting excited! I need to track down a few pieces of equipment still, but I don't think that will be a problem :)

Start with cured and dry frozen buds. Some show using a blender and chopping up the buds to near powder. I like Motoco420's technique of crunching and crushing in a glass pitcher. The important part is having everything prepared and frozen. Sort of do a dry run a couple times. And quickness is the key. And the absolute most important part is filter. I didn't and during decarb the oil started popping and I lost about half of my medicine. Filter and filter. Keep reading Motoco's thread beginning over and over. You'll get it done and it'll be better and easier the next time. Short learning curve. Quiz Motoco420. He'll help you with anything he can.

Good Luck!

WJ :ciao:
 

Jack Dabs

New Member
Wow guys fantastic thread!!!!

I am just waiting for delivery of my induction hob and I will be ready to go, just harvested last thursday so buds are drying at the moment but the trim is ready to be pasted.

I have been using RSO for some time but ran out a few weeks back, so the last few weeks have been rather unpleasant. I am suffering from severe chronic pain at the moment and while the RSO is not as good a painkiller as what I thought it would be it does take the edge off and helps with sleep and other things things like controlling blood sugar levels. I had a feeling that I was losing some cbd in the oil making process as it should have been a better painkiller. So glad I found this paste thread and am so keen to try it. I generally use the tacking method for the RSO but occassionally just ''whack it'' if you know what I mean :cheer:
I tend to do this when the pain is excruciating. My brother is suffering along with me and is also in near constant pain. He had cancer about 18 months ago and has been given the all clear after removing the cancerous testicle. He has been suffering from some pretty aweful problems though, hormonal and constant pain which none of the doctors can figure out what is causing it. So between the two of us we are pretty motivated.

I know the buds I have grown are decent painkillers because they work really well when smoked but this doesnt seem to translate over to the oil as well as I would like. One thing I am convinced of too is the medicinal properties of ruderalis that everyone seems to dismiss. I have found auto's the most pain relieving plants out of all of the myriad of buds I have tried since I developed this condition, anyone have any thoughts on that? I have finished a photo grow and next up I will be doing two auto strains to see once again if the ruderalis in the plant helps me more than photos.

So I have one big question regarding the paste. Most of the time tacking works fine,occassionally it fails badly and things can go quite pear shaped especially if you need to do a run to town or something and are completely baked, or have some other important business to attend to. One other thing I have got absolutely trashed (only once) 7 hours after tacking. It only lasted about 30-45 minutes. How is this possible? Sorry rambling now....My question is do you think it would be possible to tack the paste?

It would be so much easier to keep something say the size of a pea inbetween your gum and inner lip. My brother in particular has trouble tacking and i can see why given the shape of his gums and has very little tolerance to thc, so injesting is just not working for him for practicality reasons.

My only reservation is that the oil (coconut or olive oil) will dissolve faster than the cannabinoids getting absorbed in the gums, perhaps there is a way around this by using some sort of gum (like they use in sweets) or something, I am useless in the kitchen so I dont know what would work to act as a natural slow release carrier. Tacking is really confusing and difficult for some and this could solve a lot of problems, plus it would mean more cannabinoids entering the system compared to RSO (in theory).

Thank you all for your dedication and support. I am keen to help be a part of the experiment too.
 

Lab Rat

New Member
Cannabis paste and many other variants are born out of necessity because the cold wash method outputs so little yield (around 3-4 grams per ounce) and some of us here suffer from problems that need a constant supply of RSO, forever and not for a few months.

If I had access to a lot of product I would probably use a cold wash method; its easier and faster but as its not legal here and I'm not a grower I need to extract the most medicine per gram. I also use all plant matter and not just the bud, sure cuttings don't give you as much RSO as bud but for most dealers/growers its considered waste so I can get some as a donation while with bud I have to buy it.

That's why I've gotten as much as a 35% extraction yield (8-10 grams RSO/ounce) after winterizing. Winterizing is a good way to remove a lot of the chlorophyll and fats prior to evaporation. I usually filter twice through coffee filters; once before winterizing and then once after. Stuff that went through the coffee filters at room temperature gets stuck in the filters after being in the freezer for 48 hours.

The reflux method pulls a lot of stuff and not just the medicine so winterizing is a necessary step but to put things into perspective half a pound of bud (8 oz) with a cold wash method will give you around 32 grams of RSO, with a reflux method will give you around 70 grams of RSO.

Now this RSO has a stronger taste, I usually add a small quantity of cinnamon extract to improve the taste since RSO can be a bit spicy and if I want to cut it I do it with olive oil and not ethanol or Everclear because it makes it taste worse and painful to tack.

I've heard you can reduce the effects of THC by tacking or inserting rectally; I honestly doubt it as quite a few people have said they are getting high tacking or with a rectal insertion so I think it has more to do with quantity. Some people just have a lower tolerance.

If you do a reflux method (as shown in my videos) but you let it sit under a low heat it will get more waxy like paste.
 

Mu7B97Tx

New Member
I have yet to read through this entire 4-page thread, so I'm not sure if this has been addressed yet. My advance apology if it has.

My desire is simply to be able to do the cannabis paste, not necessarily understand all of the ins and outs about it. It seems that recipes abound, so I believe I'm good with that.

My issues are with trying to locate a place to get the cannabis and figure out what type of cannabis I should get. Also, it is my understanding that cannabis paste IS legal in all 50 states, meaning that it is legal to both obtain and use. Is this true?

Further, the one for whom I will be doing this (my adult, disabled (autism and epilepsy, primarily) son) does not have any medical "permission" to use cannabis. But he's been off one of his anti-convulsion medications (Levitracetam) for almost three months and I've reduced his second anti-convulsion medication (Felbamate) over that same period; it's now down by 2/3rds. So I would really like to get him using cannabis paste as a replacement for these and other medications, as well as help with his sleep and low weight.

Can some kind, gentle and informed souls help me with this?

Again, my questions are: 1) What type of cannabis should I get? 2) Where should I get it? 3) Is it legal to both obtain and use cannabis paste in Virginia, where he currently resides? (Note that I'm minimally bothered, perhaps wrongly, with the legal aspect of this. As far as I'm concerned, the pharmaceutical industry be d*%#~d. My son's health is more important than their millionaire-making profits and that of their political/corporate allies in Government. Sorry; I'm off my soapbox now.) 4) What other things should I know regarding what cannabis to get (THC levels, strains, etc.)?

Well, that's it for now. Thank you for whatever insights and other information folks can provide.

Carpe diem!
 
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SweetLeef

New Member
Hello Mu,

Great questions.

The paste would only be legal in states cannabis is legal. Both to obtain and to use.

The best place to get cannabis is to grow your own. I realize this is not always possible. If dispensaries are not available then unfortunately the streets. Perhaps someone you work with is cool and can help you out in that respect.

As far as what kind to get, you'll have to research your sons condition, maybe find other patients and caregivers and ask them what they do for cannabis treatments. Otherwise a general rule of thumb is use Sativa in the day time and Indica and night. Sativas are more get up and go where Indicas are very heavy and sleepy.

It's mostly going to be trial and error until you find out what works and can dial it in. I believe that you just want to get as many cannabinoids into your system as possible to get those receptors receptoring.

I hope this was at all helpful. Ask more questions and I will have more time tomorrow to try and help out.

Good luck :high-five:
 

jazzy123

New Member
i am a paste user. at first i was making and using tincture to deal with fibromyalgia pains and it sure did work good for that, 2T about 3 times a day worked for me. recently i wsa diagnosed with breast cancer, stage 1 with invasive components, 11 mill. i automatically looked into the oil and then found out about the paste.

my eyesight is very bad being legally blind and the oil would be more difficult for me to make, let alone trying to fill capsules. i did however make a small batch of oil to see if i could do it in small batches and yes, i could, with someone to help me. but the paste was much easier for me to make, so i used a half lb of pot buds and make 16 jars of the paste with coconut oil. have been taking the paste regularly for about a week now. and in a couple days i had no problem ingesting 2.5gm

my concern is the suggested dosage of working up to 2.5gm a day. is it enough?
one half tsp is approximately 3gms, i weighed it out. i have been trying to research if that amount is accurate to kill cancer. we know from past experience that taking 1gm of oil a day for 60 days Does kill cancer. i am having difficulty in finding hard info on the amount of paste that is needed. i know lab studies were done and i read the original docs about the paste contents when newcure put them out-----im convinced on the paste especially as you get all the material, eating the whole plant---100% you are not wasting anything. there is a logic in there i like because it just makes sense.

but back to the dose..........

ive looked up the newcure site but they have been down for days, cant find them. there
is a site in canada that still is up and sells but it does not show any data or testing that i could find.

so is there anyone with good math skills that can relate to what im looking for? the determination that 2.5gm is indeed the cancer killing dosage to take for X # days?

i am actually taking close to 5gm a day right now just experimenting on levels. and if you are not careful you can get real loopy. makes me feel sleepy and draggy for awhile then i m fine. but i am concerned about the dosage suggested and if it is enough. i can switch to oil pills if i need to but i like the paste.

i refused chemo or radiation. i am tho, having surgery done early sept.
besides about 5gm pot paste a day i am also taking
20 of the B17 apricot kernals a day,
2oz essiac in hot water
lipsomal vit C therapy of 3T 3x a day
half gallon alkaline water a day.
 

wildjim

Well-Known Member
I have yet to read through this entire 4-page thread, so I'm not sure if this has been addressed yet. My advance apology if it has.

My desire is simply to be able to do the cannabis paste, not necessarily understand all of the ins and outs about it. It seems that recipes abound, so I believe I'm good with that.

My issues are with trying to locate a place to get the cannabis and figure out what type of cannabis I should get. Also, it is my understanding that cannabis paste IS legal in all 50 states, meaning that it is legal to both obtain and use. Is this true?

Further, the one for whom I will be doing this (my adult, disabled (autism and epilepsy, primarily) son) does not have any medical "permission" to use cannabis. But he's been off one of his anti-convulsion medications (Levitracetam) for almost three months and I've reduced his second anti-convulsion medication (Felbamate) over that same period; it's now down by 2/3rds. So I would really like to get him using cannabis paste as a replacement for these and other medications, as well as help with his sleep and low weight.

Can some kind, gentle and informed souls help me with this?

Again, my questions are: 1) What type of cannabis should I get? 2) Where should I get it? 3) Is it legal to both obtain and use cannabis paste in Virginia, where he currently resides? (Note that I'm minimally bothered, perhaps wrongly, with the legal aspect of this. As far as I'm concerned, the pharmaceutical industry be d*%#~d. My son's health is more important than their millionaire-making profits and that of their political/corporate allies in Government. Sorry; I'm off my soapbox now.) 4) What other things should I know regarding what cannabis to get (THC levels, strains, etc.)?

Well, that's it for now. Thank you for whatever insights and other information folks can provide.

Carpe diem!

In Virginia the paste is illegal. The law just changed to allow CBD Oil. Real CBD oil, not hemp seed oil. Charlotte's Web oil is one strain allowed under Virginia Law. Discuss it with your son's neurologist. I can say what I said because I am epileptic and know my state's laws. Do as SweetLeef suggests. "Grow your own" and make the oil or paste, or even butter. I have had 99% success with the oil and a piece or two of cannabis buttered toast in the morning when I am out of the oil. I have not tried the paste. I prefer not to smoke, but do when my warning auras appear so I can hopefully prevent any break-through seizure that might be upcoming.

Above all, make sure that you discuss with your son's neurologist any possibilities that your son might try oil, paste, butter or cannabis material in any form in an attempt to control the seizures. And tell him if your son is having any success with the therapy. If that is in your son's personal medical record, it will be easier to defend his use. Unfortunately it will not be a defense if you are growing his medicine. Only your son can grow his medicine.

Many patients in Virginia have been prosecuted, many have not been prosecuted also. I think it depends on one's location. Historically, juries have not been nice to patients in Virginia. Most judges haven't been nice either, but it depends where you are "tried" when one chooses to not have a jury decide their fate. Virginia does allow a medical defense for Glaucoma, Cancer and now for CBD Oil for Epilepsy. As a matter of fact, the law states that a person under a Virginia doctor's care, with Glaucoma or Cancer, can not be prosecuted for possession of Marijuana. You can add CBD Oil in that statement because of the change in Virginia law due to mothers' demands for their babies with an intractable Seizure Disorder. Unfortunately. the allowances do not include growing the medicine.

Good fortune in what ever you choose do. Epilepsy is one of the disorders that Cannabis is really successful in treating.

WJ
:ciao:
 

hippie49

New Member
Just a few comments on decarboxylation and RSO in general. I have a type of vascular mutation in my brainstem and I used to be a pilot before I was diagnosed in 2008; by which I mean I did not smoke weed for fun before.

I've also read a lot and my main assistant (my dad) is a chemist; also I've tested on myself all the oils from all the strains and kept a log of the effects. Decarboxylation doesn't really happen until around 180*F (82*C) but decarbing is a very precise matter so your water method may not be too accurate. At its best water will not go over 212*F (100*C) and for a proper decarb you want to go up to 250*F for 27 or 51 minutes depending on your preference.

The reason why you are getting so little RSO is because you are doing a cold wash and are probably only getting a low 12-14% extraction which may be to little for what your sister needs.

Review this thread:

39% extraction yield RSO

Videos on page 3.
have a question on making the paste, do you use the whole plant or roots too ?
 
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