The Conservative Case For Legalizing Marijuana

MedicalNeed

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In a few weeks, we will go to the polls. As informed voters, we'll make intelligent, well-informed choices. At least that's the hope.

In recent years, California's electoral process has turned into a fiesta of special-interest double-speak. It's hard for anyone to know what is right, what is genuine, and what will work. Nowhere are we likely to see more political confusion than in the case of Proposition 19, the initiative to legalize marijuana.

In a nutshell, Proposition 19 would allow personal possession and consumption of marijuana and would largely treat marijuana as a legal equivalent of alcoholic beverages. It would allow persons over age 21 to grow and consume small quantities of marijuana in their homes. It would also allow the state and local governments to determine places of sale and to tax marijuana.

Despite what some are saying, Proposition 19 would not allow marijuana consumption in any public area, any more than we currently allow people to swig down vodka. It would not allow people to drive or operate machinery while under the influence of marijuana. And it would NOT allow the sale to or use of marijuana by anyone younger than 21.

Regrettably, this proposition is likely to be embraced by the usual flotsam and jetsam of radical politics: the shrieking anarchists, the in-your-face socialists, the dreadlocked stoner brigades, and people who view anyone with a long-term job as vaguely suspect and certainly boring. They can usually be recognized by their rainbow-colored clothing and their lack of tax returns. When they are FOR anything, I am usually OPPOSED.

And, unfortunately, this proposition will be opposed by traditional social conservatives. They will argue – correctly – that marijuana is potentially an addictive scourge which ruins lives. This verity will then be accompanied by excessive fictional visions of "Reefer Madness" in which flocks of virginal youth are ruined on the pyre of Demon Weed.

Politicians, many of whom have themselves undoubtedly ingested prodigious quantities of pot in their formative years, will emerge to excoriate the evils of dope. To do otherwise would allow opponents to label them "soft on crime." Thus we see Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger opposing this proposition a week after signing a new law which makes the penalty for marijuana use equivalent to a speeding ticket.

Mothers Against Drunk Driving is also obviously pressing for a "no" vote, as is – and I'm not making this up – the Association of California Beer And Beverage Distributors.

I am a conservative. Yet I will be voting "yes."

I've never intentionally smoked marijuana in my life. But I have gone running at Central Park and smelled the pungent smoke of a burning joint, and walked past the coffee houses of Oldtown Salinas and caught a whiff of something other than tobacco. From San Juan Bautista to Santa Cruz, from Toro Park to King City, I've been blessed with the stench of someone else's second-hand smoke. And I've seen marijuana growing everywhere from a bathtub of an upper-middle-class home to the Los Padres National Forest.

I do not use marijuana. But many, many people must crave it. Otherwise, I would not encounter it as often as I do. That's in keeping with our other great failed experiment in banning the use of an intoxicant, the United States' prohibition of alcohol from 1920 to 1933.

Alcohol abuse is at least as deadly, addictive and costly as marijuana abuse. Yet we were unable to eliminate alcohol during our social experiment in temperance, and we are clearly unable to eliminate marijuana use now. Indeed, just as I mention my own olfactory experiences with marijuana, some of my father's fondest memories of childhood were the popping sounds and aromas of a neighbor's basement beer stash exploding during summer heat waves of the 1920s.

One of the great economic realities is that a reduced supply with stable demand equals a higher price. That higher price created the wealth of truly evil men during the Prohibition of alcohol during the 1920s: Al Capone, "Bugs" Moran, all of the Mafia, and so many more.

Our current prohibition is clearly not working, either. After 40 years of effort, our many millions of dollars spent on law enforcement, eradication and incarceration seem to be assisting this century's gangsters by driving up price in the face of stable demand. Some studies estimate that 60 percent or more of the gangs' cash flow is provided by marijuana sales. This represents many millions of dollars.

As Salinas police Chief Louis Fetherolf wrote in a July 2010 web comment, "Gangs are at the heart of most crime in Salinas. We cannot overemphasize this point ... WE NEED YOUR HELP!"

One of the greatest helps we can give our law enforcement personnel is to impoverish the criminal gangs of Salinas by using the irrepressible realities of economics. As in the rest of American life, no money = no power. We can break the gangs financially in the same way that we impoverished them back in 1933: by de-criminalizing what makes them rich.

Certainly what we have done hasn't worked. It's time for something different.

Just say "no" to the gangs. Vote "yes" on Proposition 19.


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I have just completed reading the bill that was signed in california to de criminalization of MJ. Possession in this law does not have an age bracket on it.

Would it be conceivable that my 10 year old grandson could get an infraction ticket for possession?

The why make it a more severe crime if caught smoking with a minor between the age of 18 and 21. Of course this is only one of a few references to "minor" that is not considered to be of the age under 18.

Just wondering.
 
thats the beauty of sb1449 it will remove the risk of higher penalties that 19 would put in place to appease soccer moms. when 19 passes and after jan 1 2011 parents can smoke around kids and only worry about a $100 fine, but only if for some reason you decide to smoke pot around kids and an uptight cop at the same time.
 
While I am not against some form of age restrictions, etc. why is it that nobody ever mentions the fact that it is kids that have a much easier time getting pot than many adults. Except, of course, those with a medical card. Let's stop the madness, learn from what happened during prohibition in the twenties - it's happening again right now - and legalize it everywhere.
 
Prop 19 is the crack in the dike that the 'fed boys' will not be able to plug, even with all their greedy little fat fingers!
 
Prop 19 is the crack in the dike that the 'fed boys' will not be able to plug, even with all their greedy little fat fingers!

Are you so positive, I am not.

I agree it opens the door, but to what means or end. to tighten restrictions to make there pockets bigger with better busts, or loosen restrictions with future rules and laws.

Let us just say for a minute that 19 is fantastic, I and my nephew have medical use of MJ. We are both licensed and/or certified. Knock on the door, a suspicious neighbor was looking over the fence.

We cannot be hassled because of our certification.
**But under 19 could I be arrested for smoking around a minor under the age of 21?**
 
again you are mistaken, with a medical rec you would still be fine at any age. 19 does not change 215, it just makes the healthy folks legal like 215 did for the sick.
 
again you are mistaken, with a medical rec you would still be fine at any age. 19 does not change 215, it just makes the healthy folks legal like 215 did for the sick.

I am not saying it changes 215, I thing you are assuming too much.

My nephew is a medical card user and he is 20 years old, I am a medical user as well and much over 21. 215 makes no restrictions as to smoking around minors.

But 19 does.
Currently smoking cigarette smoking around minors is unlawful. You may ask then what is the difference, MJ should be restricted equally, smoking around kids is not a good idea. Hello! the difference is the definition of MINOR, the smoking restriction is under 18. When I smoked I smoked with my adult minor friends (over 18 but under 21).

I may be wrong, but under prop 19 smoking MJ around a minor is prohibited. There is no reference that medical MJ users are exempt on this matter, where 215 is specifically left in tact the clause includes such statement, the omission here can be construed as to better define where and around whom MJ can be consumed. I am sure criminal laws will soon be following on this topic with fines and jail time.

If there is a gray area or vagueness in the law, I assure you the law enforcement community will fill it with a violation and penalties.

By the way there is no such thing as "healthy folks" smoking MJ.
 
I may be wrong, but under prop 19 smoking MJ around a minor is prohibited. There is no reference that medical MJ users are exempt on this matter, where 215 is specifically left in tact the clause includes such statement, the omission here can be construed as to better define where and around whom MJ can be consumed. I am sure criminal laws will soon be following on this topic with fines and jail time.

Prop 19 does not make any rules prohibiting smoking in front of a minor. It simply states that it does not permit smoking in front of a minor or include it in the definition of "personal consumption". It also means nothing would change for medicinal users.

Prop 19 DOES NOT create a new offense against smoking in front of a minor!

This is the second time I have posted this for you. If you cannot objectively respond to this, please have the courage to pick one of your other 18 complaints to beat us to death with....
 
Prop 19 does not make any rules prohibiting smoking in front of a minor. It simply states that it does not permit smoking in front of a minor or include it in the definition of "personal consumption". It also means nothing would change for medicinal users.

Prop 19 DOES NOT create a new offense against smoking in front of a minor!

This is the second time I have posted this for you. If you cannot objectively respond to this, please have the courage to pick one of your other 18 complaints to beat us to death with....

I am sorry but "does not permit" must mean something totally different to you and me. I didn't say it directly creates a new offense it allows for one to be created within the parameters of its wording.

I assure you I am not intending to beat anyone to death over this subject. These concerns cannot be addressed because they are true. Therefore in that respect prop 19 is not the great answer we are looking for. it may very well be a move in the right direction, we will not know that until it is passed and the powers to be fill in the blanks as they wish.

By all means vote your beliefs and we will all live with the outcome. I really hope it is as rosie as everyone hear believes it is.:cheer:
 
I assure you I am not intending to beat anyone to death over this subject.
so you made a 420 mag profile and signed up here to do what then? how many noobs have you offered grow help on since joining? all your posts just seem to beat down 19 support, no?
 
so you made a 420 mag profile and signed up here to do what then? how many noobs have you offered grow help on since joining? all your posts just seem to beat down 19 support, no?

I sure thought the thread hear was titled "The Conservative Case For Legalizing Marijuana."

No "how to grow the ultimate plant." My mistake.

Now you have moved from not answering my concerns to questioning my intent.

You are sounding like an Attorney or Politician. "If you can't impress them with facts, dazzle them with bullshit."

I believe in the the free use of MJ. I do not want to anyone to give up what freedoms they have for such a small concession. Yes I understand that the founder of the Marijuana University is the author. Doesn't mean that he hadn't been mislead by help.

Just assure me with factual law that these concerns are just fantasy. Until you can do that I cannot support Prop19.

Now if supporting prop 19 is a prerequisite to posting on this forum or being a member, then maybe the general membership needs to know that as well.

You want to know how to grow the best product. the first thing you must answer for yourself is, "is it for the high?" the second thing "smoke, eat, oil, or all of the above."

Then make sure your research the different strains that will give you the results you desire. For me Super Silver Haze outdoor grown is my preference.
 
Just vote yes on Prop.19 . Let it pass and than work out the bugs in it. WE NEED A START THAT WILL FREE THE WHOLE COUNTRY ONCE AND FOR ALL.:goodluck::goodluck::goodluck::tokin:
 
Just vote yes on Prop.19 . Let it pass and than work out the bugs in it. WE NEED A START THAT WILL FREE THE WHOLE COUNTRY ONCE AND FOR ALL.:goodluck::goodluck::goodluck::tokin:

Your answer is just that "vote yes" Hey I got an idea for you I will give you my complete harvest today for the next 2 years, pay any legal fines and such, you willingly surrender your life in 2 years. Doesn't make sense, does it?

:)LIVE FREE - - - :blunt:SMOKE FREE - - - - DIE FREE:goodluck:
 
You don't hang out with many athletes, do you? :cheer:

Unless he's more fun in person, I don't think most people wanna hang with a buzzkill.....
 
You don't hang out with many athletes, do you? :cheer:

Dang I was a jock. "Healthy" are you absurd. Some of the heaviest partiers are athletes.

Ok! there is a portion of California society that is extremely health conscious and live accordingly. I don't know too many of them that ingesting MJ is part of their program. Maybe I was just naive. But that is not my point at all.

The action to get MJ totally legal, the catalyst if you will, was started when California passed the medical use permit. the next step possibly is 19 but I just can't seem to grasp it.
 
ive grasped that trying to talk sense with someone that has no history of helping growers here on 420 grow pot is unhealthy for me.

the type of person that would join a cannabis help forum just to try and stop a legalization proposition isnt really worthy of the effort.

looking at the polls and talking to the non pot heads in my community, im not really worried anymore that prop 19 might fail.
 
People join or visit 420 Magazine for lots of different reasons. There is no requirement to participate in the grow areas in order to participate in the news area. I don't participate in the grow forums.

Also as far as I know 420 Magazine has not taken any offical position on Prop.19. The news dept. has posted articles on both sides of the issue and trusts its members to make their own decisions as to its worth. We are all free to voice our opinions and concerns either way as long as we do it respectfully to each other.

:peace:
 
oh i hear you User, of course. but to me 37 posts in less than 3 months, all spreading fear and misinformation about our best hope for legalization in 40 years, is well, for lack of a better word disgusting.
 
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