GreenGuy420
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carbon filter= no odor. sealed lips = no snitches. dont order shit to grow spot. just read the bibles nd youll know what to do
Are you growing safely?
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glonuclear
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i was researching and i found out (opinion) if im rite dat cannabis throws off more heat dan any other plant can dis be true im curious since u guys are talking about outdoors and the cops or the gov have heat sensors
If you grow in a place that it is illegal to grow, you better hide it well! If on the other hand you are in a med state... do that shit w/pride!
No matter if you are in a med state or not, you should still stay on the down low... I was never worried about the cops, I was more worried about some jack ass robbing me or worse.. I know what peeps will do for drugs,illegal or not and there are people out there that have no regard for human life... Just better to be safe then sorry....
Absolutely... personally though, the way we do it here... there is no hiding it (outdoors) although lots of peeps do have trouble w/pot thieves... guess I overlooked that... it's not one of the worries that I really have to worry about. Nice addition to the thread bru!
glonuclear
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Darkshade1980
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yeah great comment, the best thing to tell friends of "where the bud comes from" is that your imaginary friend grew it who lives in a state next to yours.... of course you dont have to say its out of state BUT its best to sy its FAR FAR away.... rather than right near you or in your town as well... at least thats what i do. plus when your friends girlfriends and "somewhat-friends" say " damn this strain/bud is GREAT!" then you can take pleasure in hearing that internally for yourself. and say " yeah my friend "Cyrus Dewy" is good at what he does" .... always fun to make up an imaginary name as well...but all kidding aside dont make it TOO fake.... that is honestly the BEST thing
I found an interesting thing going on recently....my neighbor is actually some OLD hippy and i dont talk to himabout growing indoors or anything that involves me cept that i smoke occaisionally but hes growing outdoors right next to me...that may be a bit interesting considering all the "eyes of the law" is on him instead of me (for now) .... so i feel better that when doing a good grow op indoors that someone right nearby is doing something stupid outdoors wasting their time and money and life. i dunno, do you think this is a good thing to be so close to someone being so dumb BY themselves? ...or does it help to take the Smells away from me and onto his backyard?..... just wondering your thoughts all......
I found an interesting thing going on recently....my neighbor is actually some OLD hippy and i dont talk to himabout growing indoors or anything that involves me cept that i smoke occaisionally but hes growing outdoors right next to me...that may be a bit interesting considering all the "eyes of the law" is on him instead of me (for now) .... so i feel better that when doing a good grow op indoors that someone right nearby is doing something stupid outdoors wasting their time and money and life. i dunno, do you think this is a good thing to be so close to someone being so dumb BY themselves? ...or does it help to take the Smells away from me and onto his backyard?..... just wondering your thoughts all......
KevenFlynn
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I find it...unusual that people post about growing on this site while living in a prohibition state. I am fully aware that IP addresses and other such info is easily traced (I own a couple sites that have forums and such) by most computer literate people and the authorities are even better then that. Any person that signs onto a site, or heck, even visits a sight leaves a IP foot print that can be traced (I have to do it sometimes for banning reasons). Heck, I do not even partake in the consumption of MJ anymore due to the fact I have a child/children and would hate to have to explain to she/he/it/them that I am going to jail for breaking the law, even if I think the law is bogus.
I cannot wait until the idiots who we keep electing figure out that we are big boys and girls and have the right to use a plant (that grows wild next to about every corn field I have ever seen) in any way we feel is appropriate as long as we are not harming others.
I cannot wait until the idiots who we keep electing figure out that we are big boys and girls and have the right to use a plant (that grows wild next to about every corn field I have ever seen) in any way we feel is appropriate as long as we are not harming others.
Most people don't know, don't care or take the chance.
Some will use proxies for sure.
IMHO if I had to go to prison, I'd prefer it to be me standing up for what I believe is right, rather than anything else, if my child had to see it go down. Better then say a DUI where you resist arrest or some shit right?
KevenFlynn
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Ya, you are correct...I guess the older I get the more unwilling I get to take chances. I stopped drinking years ago to keep me away from trouble so no DUI's for me haha. I don't know, I was even worried about signing up for this forum board but then thought, track me. I am as clean as the day is long so I am not worried about authorities tracing me and knocking on my door. I wish there was a way to stand up without getting targeted by one federal agency or another. What ever happened to freedom?
MadMike
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I sympathize with those in a non-medical State. I'm completely legal and am still a bit anxious and paranoid when I hear noises at night. I keep my gates locked and trespassing signs visible. The dogs are very alert and having good quality firearms are an effective deterrent (hope I never have to use them). Thugs concern me more than the cops.
Just like every other important thing/concept - people trade it away every day for a modicum of convenience.
Some bargain, huh?
Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin
Why can't we listen to our past?
Why can't we listen to our past?
The Chinese are right: Americans have short memories and shorter attention spans.
MadMike
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Yup. "Give me convenience or give me death" should be the new mantra for these crybabies who desire more government interference in their lives. Totalitarian mindsets have to be done away with. This popularized blaming of the "religious right" doesn't nullify the reality of the fanatical left, who BTW is in charge now. Expanding government is bad whether it promotes socialism or fascism. All this "global community" crap parroted by many is just propaganda to set people's minds to accept tyranny at the World Bank-WTO- World Court benefit. Theft at an international level, and we ain't just talkin' money. That was the purpose of our Constitution; to ensure liberty, not tyranny. I hear do-nothings whine about successful Americans in private industry while Saudi princes relieve themselves upon gold toilets and condone stoning women to death for showing skin. I can still remember when ecology was taught. Now it's "environmentalism" and "sustainability". Yeah, do away with plastic bags while Whole Foods sells you fabric bags from China, the world's #1 polluter. Phony Prius driving, Yoga practicing, latte drinkers piss me off as much as any greedy tyrant. Hypocrites. End of rant.
Legendofatkid
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Question assuming you had buy things online with credit/debt card. Talking small amounts not enough to fund some super grow.Also assuming they have no reason to suspect you prior crimes,arrests,no neighbor complaints etc.
I read somewhere they can get warrants if they see you are buying things that could be used for illegal activities.
My question is they have to get a warrant to search your statements firsts before they can get a search warrant for a residence? Or do they just look over records till they find someone buying stuff like seeds and crap from amazon?
I know you can never be too safe and always pay in cash if possible,but sometimes there aren't stores nearby.
I read somewhere they can get warrants if they see you are buying things that could be used for illegal activities.
My question is they have to get a warrant to search your statements firsts before they can get a search warrant for a residence? Or do they just look over records till they find someone buying stuff like seeds and crap from amazon?
I know you can never be too safe and always pay in cash if possible,but sometimes there aren't stores nearby.
In no particular order:
Don't purchase seeds from Amazon, lol.
When purchasing cannabis seeds in general, you're probably much safer using a prepaid card (make sure that the one you get is for international use instead of domestic only) and having them delivered to a safe address where no growing takes place. Although I've never heard of anyone getting busted based solely on such a purchase, technically it's still a federal crime to have them mailed to you. And while I wouldn't expect a seedbank to voluntarily turn over anyone's information to any government, various seedbanks have been busted before (including "the world's largest"), and if/when that happens, I don't suppose that any customer databases that might exist would be ignored.
Plenty of people have used their own credit card to order seeds and have had them shipped to their home address - where they were growing - and have not been arrested. Again, I don't think that such a practice is at all wise, because it's one of those variables that can easily be eliminated.
I have read about people (and knew someone) who have ordered seeds and received the package along with everything that was shipped... except for the seeds, which were replaced by a form-letter from US Customs that stated such things were contraband and inviting the addressee to call and make an appointment to discuss the matter if they disagreed (lol). None of the people were arrested.
FAR more seeds (and plenty of other goods, especially the NYC one) are stolen by the thieves that work at the ISC where international packages are distributed from when they enter this country than are confiscated by customs. If you don't receive your package at all, it was either lost or stolen.
LEO would need a court order to force the disclosure of your credit card history. Theoretically, I suppose a "helpful" or naive worker could respond to a request by LEO and give them the information without one, but it's sketchy in the legal sense. If the person at the financial institution believes the purchase to be an illegal one, their standard disclaimers that you agree to when starting the account generally specifically allow them to disclose it. I'm not positive, but I think it's not a crime for a cop to simply ask pretty much anyone about anything. It IS a crime for LEO to lead people to believe that they have a legal right to information that they do not actually have the right to. So it'd be open to a challenge in court. (Cell phone companies are bad about voluntarily assisting LEO by answering their requests for information without requiring a court order. Credit card companies and banks are much less likely to do so, but that's probably not the same as saying that they never do.) Considering the total number of purchases made by credit/debit cards each year, you are far more likely to be killed by a frozen turkey that somehow falls out of the cargo hold of a jet aircraft passing overhead than to be noticed in such a fashion, IMHO.
Lots of people order supplies from hydroponic stores with their own credit cards and have the merchandise sent to their own addresses.
BtW, it takes more than one piece of circumstantial evidence to get a search warrant for a residence, anyway.
People generally get caught because they are incapable of keeping their mouths shut. If you have to tell someone about your grow, do not grow. If you do, go ahead and place a good attorney on retainer now.
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Don't purchase seeds from Amazon, lol.
When purchasing cannabis seeds in general, you're probably much safer using a prepaid card (make sure that the one you get is for international use instead of domestic only) and having them delivered to a safe address where no growing takes place. Although I've never heard of anyone getting busted based solely on such a purchase, technically it's still a federal crime to have them mailed to you. And while I wouldn't expect a seedbank to voluntarily turn over anyone's information to any government, various seedbanks have been busted before (including "the world's largest"), and if/when that happens, I don't suppose that any customer databases that might exist would be ignored.
Plenty of people have used their own credit card to order seeds and have had them shipped to their home address - where they were growing - and have not been arrested. Again, I don't think that such a practice is at all wise, because it's one of those variables that can easily be eliminated.
I have read about people (and knew someone) who have ordered seeds and received the package along with everything that was shipped... except for the seeds, which were replaced by a form-letter from US Customs that stated such things were contraband and inviting the addressee to call and make an appointment to discuss the matter if they disagreed (lol). None of the people were arrested.
FAR more seeds (and plenty of other goods, especially the NYC one) are stolen by the thieves that work at the ISC where international packages are distributed from when they enter this country than are confiscated by customs. If you don't receive your package at all, it was either lost or stolen.
LEO would need a court order to force the disclosure of your credit card history. Theoretically, I suppose a "helpful" or naive worker could respond to a request by LEO and give them the information without one, but it's sketchy in the legal sense. If the person at the financial institution believes the purchase to be an illegal one, their standard disclaimers that you agree to when starting the account generally specifically allow them to disclose it. I'm not positive, but I think it's not a crime for a cop to simply ask pretty much anyone about anything. It IS a crime for LEO to lead people to believe that they have a legal right to information that they do not actually have the right to. So it'd be open to a challenge in court. (Cell phone companies are bad about voluntarily assisting LEO by answering their requests for information without requiring a court order. Credit card companies and banks are much less likely to do so, but that's probably not the same as saying that they never do.) Considering the total number of purchases made by credit/debit cards each year, you are far more likely to be killed by a frozen turkey that somehow falls out of the cargo hold of a jet aircraft passing overhead than to be noticed in such a fashion, IMHO.
Lots of people order supplies from hydroponic stores with their own credit cards and have the merchandise sent to their own addresses.
BtW, it takes more than one piece of circumstantial evidence to get a search warrant for a residence, anyway.
People generally get caught because they are incapable of keeping their mouths shut. If you have to tell someone about your grow, do not grow. If you do, go ahead and place a good attorney on retainer now.
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sinbad
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Right on, as we all know the best defense is to be in stealth mode. If anyone doubt's this, turn on the radio or the TV to listen to or watch the reports on the DEA's recent operations. In our area, they went after people who were mid level, apparently speaking to others about their grows, goings on.
In my state, MM is legal, I wouldn't put it past any law enforcement agency to compile who is purchasing what, because it would be easy to do. All they would have to do is go to the store and ask for a list of who has purchased say, multiple 1000 watt MH, S lamps, hydro equipment (large amounts) and go from there. If the store balked at this, they could be threatened so they may cave or the police could make a claim to information and seek a warrant.
People, even if legal, no one wants a hassle with the man, the man coming an kicking in your door for a few plants. The best thing is to buy your stuff with cash, if not cash then use a disposable credit card (at any retailer for a small fee you "load" them) as any paper trail can be traced. This is how i purchased my first batch of seeds (Big Bud)
Folk's people are being put in jail for no payment of child support, old debts-because we're a prison nation, but they can and will go after us. Don't let your guard down until we are all legal in all 50 states!
In my state, MM is legal, I wouldn't put it past any law enforcement agency to compile who is purchasing what, because it would be easy to do. All they would have to do is go to the store and ask for a list of who has purchased say, multiple 1000 watt MH, S lamps, hydro equipment (large amounts) and go from there. If the store balked at this, they could be threatened so they may cave or the police could make a claim to information and seek a warrant.
People, even if legal, no one wants a hassle with the man, the man coming an kicking in your door for a few plants. The best thing is to buy your stuff with cash, if not cash then use a disposable credit card (at any retailer for a small fee you "load" them) as any paper trail can be traced. This is how i purchased my first batch of seeds (Big Bud)
Folk's people are being put in jail for no payment of child support, old debts-because we're a prison nation, but they can and will go after us. Don't let your guard down until we are all legal in all 50 states!
Legendofatkid
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Thanks for response. Not buying seeds from amazon haha,but sometimes I buy GH stuff/ppm meter etc for tomatoes and other stuff from them.
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