Dam I wish that was 750nm instead of 850nm... I think 850nm might be a bit too far..
Nice find Bizz.. WE need to ask Sal if 850nm is too far.. Unfortunately I think I already know his answer...
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Dam I wish that was 750nm instead of 850nm... I think 850nm might be a bit too far..
Nice find Bizz.. WE need to ask Sal if 850nm is too far.. Unfortunately I think I already know his answer...
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those pics were from this morning, this evening under the red light I am pretty sure I saw what look like some actual calyx forming at the base of those pointy things at the internodes...
something else odd this morning, most of the mutated leaves that had been getting direct BLB(and blue contamination), seem to have wilted and died after having the BLB changed and reflectors pointed away... every thing else seems healthy
so Sal thinks I should line my roof with aluminum? I could try that... altho I feel like with 5x 75w BLB, I should have sufficient 730nm coverage as long as the wattage was turned up enough... currently I have dimmer very low as I am trying to eliminate blue light contamination...
Something odd I noticed playing with the dimmer. If you set dimmer very very low, after timer turns off and then back on again for next 30 min ON time, the BLB lights wont be ON even tho they were previously ON at same dimmer setting. Its like lights need a little more power to start up than to maintain being on. I knew this was true for HID but didnt think it applied to inc's... maybe something about the circuitry of the dimmer?
Yes that will work... I think I would use the 640nm in the first 6 hrs.. 640nm is a lot like 660nm, SLOOOOOW and you don't want slow going into SID (standard indoor darkness)
I hope they pop soon far ya..
Ya what Sal said kind of makes sense to me now.. i.e. we put are BLB bulbs inside of our air cooled reflector witch has an aluminum dimpled insert, and the reflector is 3/4 of the canopy wide plus we have it on a light mover. So we are getting a even distribution of 730nm getting reflected down over the canopy..
Ya that's too dim IMO.. That will cause a slow down as well, and the girls will think they are in SID.. You don't want that happening for sure.. Good catch..
Can you buy them...?
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So... I've found a few other bits of new growth that looks like bud formation, but no hairs yet.
the odd thing to my eye, is that since switching out BLB, it seems like new growth has slowed down a lot, almost frozen... i am wondering if at 5/19 with blue light contamination removed, if I am actually over shooting my 12/12 SID equivalent? Tying them down could give them a pause, but its the growing tips/small leaves that seem to be froze...
Its looking more like I will be switching to 12/12 this weekend as I cant imagine what I would see in next 2 days to make me think otherwise, which has me thinking I should just go to 12/12 now... i'll bump it back to 6/18 for next 2 days... *sigh*
the odd thing to my eye, is that since switching out BLB, it seems like new growth has slowed down a lot, almost frozen... i am wondering if at 5/19 with blue light contamination removed, if I am actually over shooting my 12/12 SID equivalent? Tying them down could give them a pause, but its the growing tips/small leaves that seem to be froze...
Its looking more like I will be switching to 12/12 this weekend as I cant imagine what I would see in next 2 days to make me think otherwise, which has me thinking I should just go to 12/12 now... i'll bump it back to 6/18 for next 2 days... *sigh*
Did you check your red led's with the blue cellophane?
Ya 12/12 looks like your best option.. I must say you stuck with it much longer then I would of...Good job
I think if you scale your PAD flowering area down and figure out the problem using one or two plants in a small area, there is no doubt you will enjoy this method of flowering.. Trust me..
Again thanks for giving the advanced method a try..
Ya 12/12 looks like your best option.. I must say you stuck with it much longer then I would of...Good job
I think if you scale your PAD flowering area down and figure out the problem using one or two plants in a small area, there is no doubt you will enjoy this method of flowering.. Trust me..
Again thanks for giving the advanced method a try..
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I was folding the blue cellophane over so I was looking thru 16 layers when I was looking at the BLB for blue light. Looking at red LED thru 16 layers I saw nothing, looking at red cfl I saw small amount of light at base and a smaller amount towards the tip of red party cfl. Looking thru 8 layers I could see outline of whole red party cfl and holding very close to led I could see faint glow, but I found 8 layers wasnt enough filter when looking at BLB...
So thru 16 layers I saw nothing and thru 8 I saw a little light but I have no reference point... However compared to the philips BLB which seem to give off a lot of blue, it was hardly anything...
After switching to different BLB bulbs and being on 5/19 cycle, I have seen small bud growth but it has been slow and growth in general seems to have practically halted. The pics I posted of close ups 3 or 4 days ago, if I were to take pics of same tips they would look almost identical, which after 3 days, should look quite different.
This morning I turned everything off, set HPS to 12/12. I am going to turn red LED on and was wondering what you thought would be best thing to do? Should I just go 12/12 with it also? Should it come on 30 min before HPS?
Since everything looks healthy I am hopefull I can still get a decent yield out of this. My friend thinks since I went experiemental, expectations are out the door on where it goes from here...
The plants seem to be in some sort of preflower, so my hope is they finish in 6-8 weeks on 12/12. Additional stretch is my main concern at this point, but I can just train them sideways along those 3ft stakes...
I might try it on a smaller scale, depending on how this turns out, I also might try it again with this set up but with the plants much smaller to start with rather than 18"...
It will be interesting to see how much more they stretch and how quick they pop hairs on 12/12...
Again thanks for giving the advanced method a try..
Its been fun... thanks for your help!
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No frets Bizz, that is an awsome setup and 12/12 will get em going.
I've just started my second PAD (first full-term) and I started them up 12/12 and once I saw flowers I fired up the PAD lights, wowzers after one night, but mine is much smaller and in a tent. I started up at 6.5/17.5 and I also plan on getting some of those coated zilla BLB to replace my phillips, thanks for checking that. I'll start a thread on that. PAD medicine is the BEST!!!
and thank's again for all your help Dog, you rule
I've just started my second PAD (first full-term) and I started them up 12/12 and once I saw flowers I fired up the PAD lights, wowzers after one night, but mine is much smaller and in a tent. I started up at 6.5/17.5 and I also plan on getting some of those coated zilla BLB to replace my phillips, thanks for checking that. I'll start a thread on that. PAD medicine is the BEST!!!
and thank's again for all your help Dog, you rule
Yes, this is the easiest way to get things going.... You still need to know were the PAD timing of 12/12 is for your strain.. Or all you will do is pull the girls right back into veg... But the good news is that at this point in the flowering stage it's much easer to see when your PAD timing is off and pulling the girls back into veg..
So ya good post csudh420...
Thanks for that...
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Well after a week of 12/12 I finally have hairs popping... not full blown bud porn, but that'll be soon, maybe tonight or tomorrow... pics soon, had to do some major chopping to keep things in order as the plants were getting big, removed anything not getting direct light and been spraying foliar with bushmaster for 4 days now to try and stop any addittional stretch...
I set the red LED's to come on 15 min before HPS and it turns off 15 before HPS... so I actually have 11:45 SID 15 min red LED 11:45 HPS+redLED 15 min HPS.
Last run on 12/12 I saw hairs after 3 weeks, so beginning of week 4. Since hairs emerged after 1 week of 12/12 this time, it seems the PAD schedule I had them on was putting them in some sort of extended pre flower either because of the blue light contamination or something about the over all timing of my set up...
I set the red LED's to come on 15 min before HPS and it turns off 15 before HPS... so I actually have 11:45 SID 15 min red LED 11:45 HPS+redLED 15 min HPS.
Last run on 12/12 I saw hairs after 3 weeks, so beginning of week 4. Since hairs emerged after 1 week of 12/12 this time, it seems the PAD schedule I had them on was putting them in some sort of extended pre flower either because of the blue light contamination or something about the over all timing of my set up...
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I havent seen them in person, but the zilla halogen BLB spot light bulbs that were linked earlier in this thread would prob be best... the glass lense on those is flat so I would imagine they get a good dark and even coating, compared to round glass bulbs that have many imperfections... you can get light hardware for the bulbs at hardware store like this for cheap
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8 weeks into 12/12 and a happy ending is near...
I ran out of vertical room to run the LEDs so I put 4 100w clear halogen up top to help with trichs, lowered HPS from 1000w to 750w since some leaves were getting fried but I also rigged up a screen to keep plants away from light
as you can see the plants really stretched on me... hehe they big!
these pics are from a span of a couple weeks
I ran out of vertical room to run the LEDs so I put 4 100w clear halogen up top to help with trichs, lowered HPS from 1000w to 750w since some leaves were getting fried but I also rigged up a screen to keep plants away from light
as you can see the plants really stretched on me... hehe they big!
these pics are from a span of a couple weeks
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What'd you end up getting out of this?
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I never weighed it all at once but it mostly filled 6 big jars, each jar holds about 2.5 oz
my estimate was 13oz plus...
very high quality but I missed my 16oz goal
I just harvested a new cycle with this set up using the HPS on 12/12 and red LED supplementing that, halfway thru trimming and I think I will make my goal and then some, kept the plants smalller... also have 6 different strains... oh soooo many flavors !!!!
Interested in trying the martian/rauber method again, but maybe on a smaller scale until I get it figured out.
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Hi, New to the group, mew to the "growing" thing. Hi everyone, great forum ....
I am growing a 2x2 area, veg room with florecent and flower room with
a home made light with 5w and 3w + LED Drivers ($$$), I got red 660 red 635far red 735, some orange and two tipes of some blue.
Buidimg my Martian system I had a idea that like to share
PERFECTLY TIMMMING DE FAR RED WITH THE RED WITH.
I read lots about 3 timers to make the `system` work 1 one for the red, one for the blue, one on for the Far Red(this has to be the perfect one)
How about using a light sensor on the Far Red power source, when the blue or the red is one the far red is off, when they are off the far red is on, and the best part is the far red dos not affect the photo electrical eye cell.
I am glad to be par off this group!!!
See ya,
I am from canada by the way
I am growing a 2x2 area, veg room with florecent and flower room with
a home made light with 5w and 3w + LED Drivers ($$$), I got red 660 red 635far red 735, some orange and two tipes of some blue.
Buidimg my Martian system I had a idea that like to share
PERFECTLY TIMMMING DE FAR RED WITH THE RED WITH.
I read lots about 3 timers to make the `system` work 1 one for the red, one for the blue, one on for the Far Red(this has to be the perfect one)
How about using a light sensor on the Far Red power source, when the blue or the red is one the far red is off, when they are off the far red is on, and the best part is the far red dos not affect the photo electrical eye cell.
I am glad to be par off this group!!!
See ya,
I am from canada by the way
