Sask420grow
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Hello everyone. I’m new to the forums and joined because I’m having major problems with my blueberry strain. This is what the plants look like 2 months into veg. I believe it’s a lockout from bad ph values in the water. I was using hot tub test strips too test the water before feeding it to them. Also the water temps are not regulated. Often times it’s cold. Recently have been adding microwaved warm water to warm it up.
The back story to these plants is as follows
Got the clones on December 28th and they were cut 20 days prior too that. The tap water ph value is 8.9 which I knew I had to correct. For the first few waterings I used vinager to lower the ph in the water. The water always sits out for 24hrs prior to mixing. I watered them for 3 weeks with vinager water then on the third week I tested the runoff with the same strips and it read 4!! The plants growth was slow from the start. Once I noticed the soil ph at a 4 I decided to do an emergency transplant. They reacted very well to the transplant with lots of growth BUT the inter Nodel spacing was very small. The first 3 weeks I had them on a 24hr light schedule. I did not have a proper light until day 7 in which I got a 1000w HPS set up. The heat from this light was incredible. Prior to the light the rooom was a decent 73-77. Light on it easily got too 98-105!! So I built a 5x5 tent with an exhaust and a intake that brings cold Saskatchewan outside temps inside (in the winter temps get easily -25c). This made it easier to regulate temperatures. Next problem was humidity. In winter we are very dry. So I added two humidifier. One cold air humidity and one hot air humidity. Now the environment is regulated. Temps are 75-80f and humidity is 40%-60%.
Back to the transplant three week later.
They react very well to the transplant but the problem I had was I wanted to take the old dirt away but I watered them two days prior and the soil was still moist and wouldn’t break apart without wrecking the roots (roots
Looked awesome). So I just did a basic transplant with a light watering. The transplant was from 1g pale to 3G pale. They were in this pale for another month before I did the finale transplant into 5g smart pots. While in the 3G pales is when I did all the stress training to them. Did topping fming tie down and super cropped with lots of defoliating. The plants sometimes didn’t react to the trainings but sometimes they did. Hard to explain that lol. Anyway...
after the first month I ended up buying a ph pen off amazon for like $40. The pen came with a three in one soil ph meter. I start using the pen and to my surprise the readings are way off from what the strips have been saying.
The first time I used the pen to water the plants I made sure the pen read 6.3 and got some runoff too test with the pen. The runoff reads 8.3ph!!! Wow. From one end to the other on less then a month! So I do another emergency transplant. At this time the plant is showing signs of a complete lockout due to the soil ph. After I did the transplant I retested the soil runoff and it’s still reading high 7.7-8.3! Wtf. Gia greens living soil is what I’m using.
The last transplant was into the 5g smart pots but as a newb I did not add the perlite properly. Instead of adding it/mixing, I simply put a 1 inch layer at the bottom and then put the soil on top of that. It’s what the bag says to do haha. I know now to mix it into the soil. Anyway, the plants are not taking up much of the water. 5-7 days and it’s still damp an inch down. I talk to my local hydro shop and he says I’ve been watering too light. Currently have been doing 2l water per 5g pot. I thought this was lots not realizing the soil obserbes twice it’s volume in water ha.
Next minor hiccup I had was I used Neptune’s fish and seaweed fertilizer and watered them with that but did a light watering cause I wasn’t aware of the light waterings I’ve been doing yet (didn’t talk to hydro guy till after I fed them the fish and seaweed). After I fed them that at half dose is when I really started to notice the lockout/chlorosis. The picture provided are from today March 12th. the reason I fed them was I though they used most the nutrients in the soil and needed a boost to keep them going.
After a a few weeks of water and dry I couldn’t handle the decline they were in so I transplanted two of the four into new fresh soil. I knocked off ALL the roots dirt till all that was left was roots and yellow/green leaf. I then put them into fresh soil with a ton of perlite added to the soil. Watered them and then defoliated them to look like this. The other two that I didn’t transplant did not look as bad so I figured they would simply rebounded based on a correct ph for water and soil (new pen). So far everything is working like I planned and the yellow is fading away too green. The plants not transplanted are also rebounding and looking healthier.
After I made the transplant on the two, I added some worm casting too all the soil. Did this because I was told the microbes more then likely died off and I needed to feed them to get them too reproducewhich I believe is working.
So now all I am doing is watering with phed water too 6.3-6.5. Using lemon juice to bring the ph down. I am going to feed the plants every other watering with the Neptune’s fish and seaweed nuts. I will add the worm casting weekly to get the microbes back up. I also got some Gia greens all purpose 4-4-4 powder I might start adding in case the soil is depleting of the nutrients needed. The plants should be 3ft tall but I bent the main stock while training to get even canopy. I used coat hangers to secure the stocks.
I’m trying to give as much info as possible as you can see lol.
Hopefully you guys can help me figure out what I did wrong so I don’t repeat or keep doing it.
They are rebounding. Should I just keep doing this. Is there something I can give them to boost the recovery?
Thanks for your time everyone. Look forward to seeing your replies...
The back story to these plants is as follows
Got the clones on December 28th and they were cut 20 days prior too that. The tap water ph value is 8.9 which I knew I had to correct. For the first few waterings I used vinager to lower the ph in the water. The water always sits out for 24hrs prior to mixing. I watered them for 3 weeks with vinager water then on the third week I tested the runoff with the same strips and it read 4!! The plants growth was slow from the start. Once I noticed the soil ph at a 4 I decided to do an emergency transplant. They reacted very well to the transplant with lots of growth BUT the inter Nodel spacing was very small. The first 3 weeks I had them on a 24hr light schedule. I did not have a proper light until day 7 in which I got a 1000w HPS set up. The heat from this light was incredible. Prior to the light the rooom was a decent 73-77. Light on it easily got too 98-105!! So I built a 5x5 tent with an exhaust and a intake that brings cold Saskatchewan outside temps inside (in the winter temps get easily -25c). This made it easier to regulate temperatures. Next problem was humidity. In winter we are very dry. So I added two humidifier. One cold air humidity and one hot air humidity. Now the environment is regulated. Temps are 75-80f and humidity is 40%-60%.
Back to the transplant three week later.
They react very well to the transplant but the problem I had was I wanted to take the old dirt away but I watered them two days prior and the soil was still moist and wouldn’t break apart without wrecking the roots (roots
Looked awesome). So I just did a basic transplant with a light watering. The transplant was from 1g pale to 3G pale. They were in this pale for another month before I did the finale transplant into 5g smart pots. While in the 3G pales is when I did all the stress training to them. Did topping fming tie down and super cropped with lots of defoliating. The plants sometimes didn’t react to the trainings but sometimes they did. Hard to explain that lol. Anyway...
after the first month I ended up buying a ph pen off amazon for like $40. The pen came with a three in one soil ph meter. I start using the pen and to my surprise the readings are way off from what the strips have been saying.
The first time I used the pen to water the plants I made sure the pen read 6.3 and got some runoff too test with the pen. The runoff reads 8.3ph!!! Wow. From one end to the other on less then a month! So I do another emergency transplant. At this time the plant is showing signs of a complete lockout due to the soil ph. After I did the transplant I retested the soil runoff and it’s still reading high 7.7-8.3! Wtf. Gia greens living soil is what I’m using.
The last transplant was into the 5g smart pots but as a newb I did not add the perlite properly. Instead of adding it/mixing, I simply put a 1 inch layer at the bottom and then put the soil on top of that. It’s what the bag says to do haha. I know now to mix it into the soil. Anyway, the plants are not taking up much of the water. 5-7 days and it’s still damp an inch down. I talk to my local hydro shop and he says I’ve been watering too light. Currently have been doing 2l water per 5g pot. I thought this was lots not realizing the soil obserbes twice it’s volume in water ha.
Next minor hiccup I had was I used Neptune’s fish and seaweed fertilizer and watered them with that but did a light watering cause I wasn’t aware of the light waterings I’ve been doing yet (didn’t talk to hydro guy till after I fed them the fish and seaweed). After I fed them that at half dose is when I really started to notice the lockout/chlorosis. The picture provided are from today March 12th. the reason I fed them was I though they used most the nutrients in the soil and needed a boost to keep them going.
After a a few weeks of water and dry I couldn’t handle the decline they were in so I transplanted two of the four into new fresh soil. I knocked off ALL the roots dirt till all that was left was roots and yellow/green leaf. I then put them into fresh soil with a ton of perlite added to the soil. Watered them and then defoliated them to look like this. The other two that I didn’t transplant did not look as bad so I figured they would simply rebounded based on a correct ph for water and soil (new pen). So far everything is working like I planned and the yellow is fading away too green. The plants not transplanted are also rebounding and looking healthier.
After I made the transplant on the two, I added some worm casting too all the soil. Did this because I was told the microbes more then likely died off and I needed to feed them to get them too reproducewhich I believe is working.
So now all I am doing is watering with phed water too 6.3-6.5. Using lemon juice to bring the ph down. I am going to feed the plants every other watering with the Neptune’s fish and seaweed nuts. I will add the worm casting weekly to get the microbes back up. I also got some Gia greens all purpose 4-4-4 powder I might start adding in case the soil is depleting of the nutrients needed. The plants should be 3ft tall but I bent the main stock while training to get even canopy. I used coat hangers to secure the stocks.
I’m trying to give as much info as possible as you can see lol.
Hopefully you guys can help me figure out what I did wrong so I don’t repeat or keep doing it.
They are rebounding. Should I just keep doing this. Is there something I can give them to boost the recovery?
Thanks for your time everyone. Look forward to seeing your replies...
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