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Can anyone confirm this method? or give some input... Thanks!

THE WATER CURE COMPENDIUM - =============================== Introduction - What is the water cure? Why would I want to do it? The water cure has only recently come to light as a widely accepted form of curing. Water curing uses osmosis to flush out the chemicals, pesticides, pests, and anything else you would rather not be smoking. Chlorophyll is also broken down faster in water (chlorophyll = harsh smoke). The water cure is also very fast (about 7 days) with optimal quality (as compared to 30 days air curing), and as well does not stink like an air cure does. Water-cured buds are also more potent than air-cured (however there is proportional weight loss to potency increase). THC is not water soluable, and the bud is protected from air/light, enabling potency to be maintained at it's highest levels, while the nasty chemicals are flushed out and chlorophyll breaks down. Some growers report being able to add nutes all the way up to their harvest date because the water cure takes care of the built up chemicals. Because of its speed, stealth and clean taste, water cure is very inviting to most non-commercial growers. The commercial grower might not be attracted to the water cure, as the weight of the bud is diminished. Water cure can also be attractive to those smoking/cooking with suspect cannabis (schwag), moldy bud, pest infested bud, unflushed bud, etc. How will my bud taste/smoke/smell/look? Properly water-cured buds (submerged for 7 days and properly dried) will have a clean, thick taste when smoked, as well as being more potent than air-cured buds. This is one of the major advantages to the water cure; a quick drying process that retains potency and has a clean taste a flavor. Smoking reports vary, however most people agree that water curing provides a very clean, smooth taste. Those with hashier, sandlewood/piney and harsher strains will find this method enjoyable for the clean, thick flavor without the edge (like a fine whisky). However, those with frutier tasting strains have mixed results. They report the smoke is almost too smooth - much of the fruity/citrussy flavor removed. The smell of the bud is greatly diminished, which many believe is one of the positive side-effects of water curing. Some also report a diminished smell in the smoke itself. Water-cured buds tend to look more earthy and dark in tone. Some say the bag appeal is decreased, however proper care while water-curing can improve bag appeal. What do I need for this? What is the process? 1. A container hold your bud and appropriate water (about 4 times as much water as amount of bud). A cooler with some kind of drainage works great. 2. A dehydrator or low-impact heat device. Dehydrators work great and cost about $40 from walmart. 3. A cool, dark place to put the water-curing container. You need at least 7 days to do this, any less than seven can result in undesireable quality. Even 5 days in water is not enough - you need seven!!! Plop in your freshy cut buds (or schwag, whatever, but fresh buds work best) into enough water to completely submerge the buds. The buds will float to the top for the first few days of this, so you need something to hold them down (a block of wood, a plate, etc). Change the water every day for 7 days, any less than seven could result in undesirable results (trust me). Try not to disturb the buds when changing the water as plant material can break off more easily (read: trichomes). Always keep the lid of the cooler open, do not seal off the container. The water may take on a yellowish/greenish (even brownish) tint each day, moreso as the bud becomes completely saturated with the water. It will probably also stink. This is good, as it is the nasty chlorophyl and salts exiting your plant. After 7 days remove the buds from the water. They will be sopping wet, and can be dried relatively quickly. Put the dehydrator on the lowest setting and dry for about 5 hours or so. 7 do's and don'ts of water curing 1. Do not close the lid on the cooler. As the chlorophyll bleeds off into the water it evaporates - this is good and sealing the cooler just puts the crap back in the water. 2. Keep out of direct sunlight. 3. Don't stir or agitate. This serves no useful purpose. 4. Don't bother straining the water for trichomes when you change it each day. I've tried it countless times and have yet to get enough trichones to make it worth the effort, though some hairs will break loose. 5. I've water cured as long as 9 days, but there was no real improvement over the 7 day mark - so why bother? 6. Do use a dehydrator. They cost $35 over at Walmart and you set it on the lowest possible setting. Mine takes about 5 hours to dry out a 1/2 pound of sopping wet buds. If you line dry make sure there is a drip tray or tarp for them to drip on. 7. DO NOT water cure seeded buds that were intentionally seeded so you can harvest seeds. Air cure these buds only... What is the dry-weight ratio comparison with air curing? Dry weight using air cure usually returns about 25% of the freshly cut bud weight. That means if you had 10 grams of freshly cut plant, you would get about 2.5 grams dry. Water cure, on the other hand, returns about 15% from wet to dry. In our 10 gram example, that would be about 1.5 grams. So why is there less weight using water, but more potency? THC is not water soluable. When the buds are underwater, they are protected from environmental conditions such as humidity, over exposure to air, temperature, and light. This consistent state is something not easily achieved through the traditional air cure, which can be prone to a harsher smoke with decreased potency if everything isn't just so. Water cure enables the removal of undesireable elements from your bud while retaining potency. MPD explains how potency is increased through the water cure I should explain this so that the conspiracy theory kooks don't land on me like a ton of bricks. Here's the "magic" behind the increased potency you get by water curing. For the sake of making it simple, I'll use an example of 100 grams of bud going into the pot. Now, you had this bud assayed and know that 15% of it is pure THC. 15% of 100 grams is 15 grams. So in our example the 100 grams of fresh bud has 15 grams of THC in it. You water cure it and dry it. Now you have only 70 grams of bud left. WTF? But you are deceived because the 15 grams of THC is part of the remaining 70 grams of bud. 15 divided by 70 equals 21.42%. Sooo.... The mass didn't change, just some of the things that were there - aren't there anymore, so what is left becomes a bigger proportion of the entirety. You go assay your water cured bud and find out it has 21.42% THC content - a 50% increase in potency.
 
That was a brilliant read, just goes to show you learn a new thing everyday on this wonderful site!

Although I have never tried this method of curing, I have heard of a 'lemon juice & water dip' just before drying!
 
Also as for a water cure. while it does work and does make for nice smoke, it makes the buds look terrible. If you plan on giving these to others do not water cure them IMHO, as people smoke with their eyes first.
 
I agree! i'll run a plant with a water cure on my next harvest- will make for good ice hash extraction either way. anyone have a photo of water cured buds?
 
Sh*tty Bagseed on the rise...

Hi everyone-

its now week six of flowering, im heading out of town in 3 days and the girls have been moved to the balcony (still indoors) I've prepared and planned for almost a month now about how to let these things live on their own while im away... I've got a small 4" fan pulling in fresh air from the outside into my enclosed balcony and then a 10" rotary fan blowing around in the balcony (on a 1hour ON/1hour OFF timer), I've also got a 55gallon drum with an auto-water system set up, water with nutes at a very weak strength, but should be enough to provide for what the girls need. I wont be adding Molasses to the water because I've noticed that the molasses takes on a weird smell/brothy bubbly foam on top as it sits (even just after 1-2 days) (DOES ANYONE want to comment on the molasses bit?). Im a little concerned about the humidity inside the balcony (its seems to be a constant 50-70%) usually right around 60% but sometimes up to 70. Also a little concerned about the lighting, going from 400W HPS and 3/65W CFL's to sunlight is a little scary, Its cloudy today and my girls are only getting about 900 Lumens of sunlight... I just hope they can adapt and continue to grow with the signifigant changes and difference of environment. I skipped a light cycle before I pulled them out of the closet, because my lights were "ON" at night (for temperature reasons), skipped the light cycle so my girls would be on the same light schedule as the SUN.

Anyway, cant think of anything else, below are some pics i took just before i wrote this post, the girls are looking pretty good (for random bagseed anyway). I would love some feedback or any comments are welcome.
Three more weeks for these girls will be ok right? It wont be too long will it?? Just afraid of going over the IDEAL harvest time and ending up with "shitty shit"... (Being this is my first grow I've got alot of "questions")

Peace all!! Mikey

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Sh*tty Bagseed on the rise...

Hi everyone-

its now week six of flowering, im heading out of town in 3 days and the girls have been moved to the balcony (still indoors) I've prepared and planned for almost a month now about how to let these things live on their own while im away... I've got a small 4" fan pulling in fresh air from the outside into my enclosed balcony and then a 10" rotary fan blowing around in the balcony (on a 1hour ON/1hour OFF timer), I've also got a 55gallon drum with an auto-water system set up, water with nutes at a very weak strength, but should be enough to provide for what the girls need. I wont be adding Molasses to the water because I've noticed that the molasses takes on a weird smell/brothy bubbly foam on top as it sits (even just after 1-2 days) (DOES ANYONE want to comment on the molasses bit?). Im a little concerned about the humidity inside the balcony (its seems to be a constant 50-70%) usually right around 60% but sometimes up to 70. Also a little concerned about the lighting, going from 400W HPS and 3/65W CFL's to sunlight is a little scary, Its cloudy today and my girls are only getting about 900 Lumens of sunlight... I just hope they can adapt and continue to grow with the signifigant changes and difference of environment. I skipped a light cycle before I pulled them out of the closet, because my lights were "ON" at night (for temperature reasons), skipped the light cycle so my girls would be on the same light schedule as the SUN.

Anyway, cant think of anything else, below are some pics i took just before i wrote this post, the girls are looking pretty good (for random bagseed anyway). I would love some feedback or any comments are welcome.
Three more weeks for these girls will be ok right? It wont be too long will it?? Just afraid of going over the IDEAL harvest time and ending up with "shitty shit"... (Being this is my first grow I've got alot of "questions")

Peace all!! Mikey

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Nice update Mick! Your ladies are looking very healthy and the BUD development, DAMN, it is the part I love the most about growing. I would say you are about half way there give or take a few days. I would recommend purchasing a jeweler's loupe with at least 10x magnification. (they are around $5-10 online) Then you can harvest when the plants tell you they are ready, which is the method I go by at this stage. I usually seek a solid mix between couch-lock and head-high with a 50-50% mix of amber to cloudy trichomes! But I would not base your harvest time on strain info you got at a breeder since these phenotypes tend to vary from seed to seed!

As for the molasses, it has sugars in it and like anything that is used to provide food and energy, those sugars get broken down fairly quickly by microbes in your water. The end resultant of this breakdown is gaseous, which is what may be forming on the surface of your res.

I also noticed some wilting on your leaves, which can be caused by heat stress. How are the temps in your grow room? Is that the reason why you would rather have them out in the patio while you are away? The only thing I would advise against is to leave them in a high humidity environment at this stage of flowering. I mean you could definitely pull it off, but you might run into the unfortunate development of mold when those buds REALLY start to fill up.
 
Well, I'm BACK!! Out of town for three weeks, the girls were alone at home. In front of the big balcony window, auto-water system, and a couple fans going... I say with EXUBERANCE in my voice, "they" are PUMPIN'! I couldn't have asked for a better outcome.

Anyway, I did a full water flush yesterday, I'm planning on giving them one more week before I chop.

1. Should I flush again? How many times?

Sorry I didn't get any pics up, will try to do that in the next day or two... (This mobile APP should have pic upload option?!?!)

Peace out!! Mikey
 
If you are planning on harvesting in one week I would wait 2-3 days before you flush again. You should really start noticing the yellowing of leaves in the next two days.

Crongrats on your plants surviving 3WEEKS, I barely can get out of the house for a weekend without worrying my hair out! Can we get some pics of the automatic-watering system and of the BUDS ;)
 
I can barely get out of the house for a weekend without worrying my hair out!
Can we get some pics of the automatic-watering system and of the BUDS ;)

Yeah, it was pretty nerve wrecking before I left, just getting myself at peace with the whole situation, and also completely stressed out about getting all the settings right for timers, fans, water amounts for watering (many sleepless nights). But I finally just said to myself; " it's shitty bagseed, it is what it is." (Only money invested was equipment and utilities) so after that and after leaving home I just "let go" and was at peace with whatever I may come home to. I would check my homes local weather everyday and would shout out a big "oh yeah" with every sunny day I saw.

I will get some pics and put them up in the next couple days. I did a pretty big leaf trim when I flushed the other day, now I have a bunch of big "lollipops" sitting there :)

Have fun, good to hear from ya.

Mike
 
Mickeys Buds/Auto-Water

Well, I finally sat down and turned on the computer so I can share my pride and joy with you all, three months of work and this is what I've got. Speed dried a few little nugs and tried them out. Its a pretty "rushy-head" feeling, so Im gonna give the girls an extra few days maybe a week from what I was planning.

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Also, there was request for some photos of the "Auto-Water" system I used for the three weeks while I was away. It was on a timer (which I didnt take a pic of) but the timer was set to water for 6 minutes on Monday/Wednesday/Friday's. I test trialed about 15 times before I left town, it really took some fine tuning.

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Hope all is well with Y'all, Peace out and have a great day!! Mikey
 
Nice Buds Mick, you pulled some dense looking stuff.

Thanks! their not too bad, it's really half and half though. Some aren't very dense, I've got a bunch of little popcorns on the lowers also, I wasn't quick enough to get those off at the beginning. I hear alot of people do that so the nutes will go directly to the bigger stuff, hence making the top/main stuff denser.

Peace!
 
Yes, taking all those smaller branches that will never produce much is a common occurrence. In fact I plan on doing it in the next two weeks for some 'monster clones'. For future reference I wouldn't recommend taking off small branches 1 week before going into flower, and two weeks after the flowering 'stretch'.
 
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