CA215's Outdoor Session 1

[mcloadie]

! Just tried the blood meal mix, reading the packaging which says it is water insoulble, I don't believe that! But then again I don't want this stuff reaking up my garage of Porcine blood meal, yuck. Will try the urine technique. So i'm reading to dilute your water:urine mix 10:1, sounds about right? Figuring I should finish this cup of coffee and start hitting the h20 hard? Man, this is going to be odd

Edit: Got the camera charging up as we speak, going to get some pictures up of what im dealing with to get some feedback, photos within the hour CA

Ya, I was thinkin that's allotta piss!, I quit using urine and got some triple sixteen, water soluable...but it's not organic.....but it works great! I have a plant that won't green up no matter....yet, I'm hoping to get some rapid growth with this R/o water.......I rarely ph anything, but the organics are able to regulate the ph better I have found.............I'm staging for the next run now.....making the mother stretch to give me the cuts I need. Next run.....organic.......the dr earth gave me the best weed I ever grew and possibly the best I ever smoked.....Just my opinion.

 

[CA215]

Thanks for the input Sir! After looking into some more def charts, this is now between N and K as they are both mobile and start from the bottom(oldest leaves) and works its way up (newer leaves), the plant that looks worst of at the moment was the unknown bagseed in the 5 gallon lowes bucket. Just now I went and mixed up 4 gallons of pH 6.5 water with urine and molasses. My thoughts and actions were to try and add in a good N from the urine with some K from the mollases as these are the deficiencies I am seeing from the charts.Going to see how the girl reacts and see if the yellowing slows down and growth resumes. I am still letting the blood meal sit in the water giving it a stir every 30 minutes or so. Will see tomorrow if I can experiment with this mix as well and compare results Input on this mater is still welcomed

 

[mcloadie]

Thanks for the input Sir! After looking into some more def charts, this is now between N and K as they are both mobile and start from the bottom(oldest leaves) and works its way up (newer leaves), the plant that looks worst of at the moment was the unknown bagseed in the 5 gallon lowes bucket. Just now I went and mixed up 4 gallons of pH 6.5 water with urine and molasses. My thoughts and actions were to try and add in a good N from the urine with some K from the mollases as these are the deficiencies I am seeing from the charts.Going to see how the girl reacts and see if the yellowing slows down and growth resumes. I am still letting the blood meal sit in the water giving it a stir every 30 minutes or so. Will see tomorrow if I can experiment with this mix as well and compare results Input on this mater is still welcomed

If the blood meal doesn't make it to the plants it will work great on the garden.

 

[Spimp]

How are you today Kind sir?
Let me first say I would take Mcloadies advice over mine in a heart beat. Im just a link hack. But here are some ideas:

Houshold amonia 1part water 10 parts. Folar spray. Its supposed to be pretty fast acting. (spray once for 2 days, should green up by day 4)
Urea and Urea based ferts have to be broek down before they can be absorbed by the roots. So its not an instant fix. And its esy to over do it while you are waiting. If done properly, it will fix the problem.
Heres some links sir:

How Nitrogen ferts affet PH
Nitrogen absorbtion info
Nitric Acid

Let me reiterate, I suggest talking to someone who has dealt with it first hand. I will continue to see what I can dig up for ya sir. Hope you nip this in the BUD.

 

[GreatLife4All]

When I feed my plants I tent to pH to about 6.3 sometimes 6.2, once nutrients are added pH drops another .1-.2, bringing us to a 6.0 maybe 5.9 at times! TOO LOW! Whilst browsing through pages and pages of info I read countless times that pHing your water to anything below the 6.5 mark is going to eventually start effecting the Nitrogen uptake/intake of your plants.

This seems like it is going to be a problem. Soil and water are different in their needs for pH level - has to do with the different buffering capacities. Here is the soil chart from the Blue Planet Nutrients web site - it gets posted on here a lot.

As you can see - N does not get "locked" out until you get below 5.5. K seems to get locked out around 6.0. So maybe you started with an N deficiency... and it progressed to a K deficiency. One way or another - you can clearly see that in soil you need to maintain pH around 6.5. This is your highest priority concern - IMO. Get the pH corrected and then start correcting other problems. If you are getting an N deficiency - then the new growth on top should be slightly lighter in color - and the old growth on the bottom should be yellowing. Is this what you are seeing now?

One other thought - you are getting really good canopy growth now. If there is not sufficient light that low in the canopy - then the leaves will yellow and fall off - not due to N deficiency - but a light deficiency, but they look exactly the same. In this case, the tops will be green and robust. Is this what you are seeing?

Just now I went and mixed up 4 gallons of pH 6.5 water with urine and molasses. My thoughts and actions were to try and add in a good N from the urine with some K from the mollases as these are the deficiencies I am seeing from the charts.Going to see how the girl reacts and see if the yellowing slows down and growth resumes. I am still letting the blood meal sit in the water giving it a stir every 30 minutes or so. Will see tomorrow if I can experiment with this mix as well and compare results Input on this mater is still welcomed

I don't have much experience with MMJ outside - but i do grow a lot of vegetable crops. I have always used blood meal as a booster - and I simply mix it in to the top couple of inches of soil and then give a heavy watering. It has enough "residue" on the particles that you get an instant boost. And then every time you water from then on - they will get another small nitrogen boost.

From my experience - blood meal doesn't take long to effect the plant when mixed in to the soil this way... and it does have a nice residual effect. Maybe it is different in a sterile potting mixture though.

Hope that one of these ideas helps you out my friend. I would not be as worried as you are about a few yellow leaves - especially if the tops are green and healthy.

 

[OG1969]

This seems like it is going to be a problem. Soil and water are different in their needs for pH level - has to do with the different buffering capacities. Here is the soil chart from the Blue Planet Nutrients web site - it gets posted on here a lot.

As you can see - N does not get "locked" out until you get below 5.5. K seems to get locked out around 6.0. So maybe you started with an N deficiency... and it progressed to a K deficiency. One way or another - you can clearly see that in soil you need to maintain pH around 6.5. This is your highest priority concern - IMO. Get the pH corrected and then start correcting other problems. If you are getting an N deficiency - then the new growth on top should be slightly lighter in color - and the old growth on the bottom should be yellowing. Is this what you are seeing now?

One other thought - you are getting really good canopy growth now. If there is not sufficient light that low in the canopy - then the leaves will yellow and fall off - not due to N deficiency - but a light deficiency, but they look exactly the same. In this case, the tops will be green and robust. Is this what you are seeing?



I don't have much experience with MMJ outside - but i do grow a lot of vegetable crops. I have always used blood meal as a booster - and I simply mix it in to the top couple of inches of soil and then give a heavy watering. It has enough "residue" on the particles that you get an instant boost. And then every time you water from then on - they will get another small nitrogen boost.

From my experience - blood meal doesn't take long to effect the plant when mixed in to the soil this way... and it does have a nice residual effect. Maybe it is different in a sterile potting mixture though.

Hope that one of these ideas helps you out my friend. I would not be as worried as you are about a few yellow leaves - especially if the tops are green and healthy.

Ditto that have pulled some yellow leaves offthe bottom and inner part of a few plants, but overall 99.9% of the plant looks healthy so I am not worried about it. Love the chart and how it affects ph in soil , those little micro beasties like to help us out, as long as we keep them alive,lol. Good post up on the chart thanks, OG.

 

[CA215]

This seems like it is going to be a problem. Soil and water are different in their needs for pH level - has to do with the different buffering capacities. Here is the soil chart from the Blue Planet Nutrients web site - it gets posted on here a lot.

As you can see - N does not get "locked" out until you get below 5.5. K seems to get locked out around 6.0. So maybe you started with an N deficiency... and it progressed to a K deficiency. One way or another - you can clearly see that in soil you need to maintain pH around 6.5. This is your highest priority concern - IMO. Get the pH corrected and then start correcting other problems. If you are getting an N deficiency - then the new growth on top should be slightly lighter in color - and the old growth on the bottom should be yellowing. Is this what you are seeing now?

One other thought - you are getting really good canopy growth now. If there is not sufficient light that low in the canopy - then the leaves will yellow and fall off - not due to N deficiency - but a light deficiency, but they look exactly the same. In this case, the tops will be green and robust. Is this what you are seeing?



I don't have much experience with MMJ outside - but i do grow a lot of vegetable crops. I have always used blood meal as a booster - and I simply mix it in to the top couple of inches of soil and then give a heavy watering. It has enough "residue" on the particles that you get an instant boost. And then every time you water from then on - they will get another small nitrogen boost.

From my experience - blood meal doesn't take long to effect the plant when mixed in to the soil this way... and it does have a nice residual effect. Maybe it is different in a sterile potting mixture though.

Hope that one of these ideas helps you out my friend. I would not be as worried as you are about a few yellow leaves - especially if the tops are green and healthy.

Great post sir thanks much! +reps! Really cleared a few things up for me. I have adjusted pHing back up to 6.6 with adding nutes bringing me to a 6.4-.5 this is where my problem began definitely. Secondly, "If you are getting an N deficiency - then the new growth on top should be slightly lighter in color - and the old growth on the bottom should be yellowing. Is this what you are seeing now?" My new growth being pushed out is lime green in color compared to the nice deep dark green the lower leaves are, sounds pretty spot on to me I don't think it is the light penetration deal as I am seeing these girls slow down, they are showing me stunted growth no doubt as it doesn't look like they have really grown like they were since a couple weeks ago, almost like they ran out of gas, but still look killer.. Will keep up the watering and spraying. I am going to start incorporating a heavier and heavier dose foliar feed with my organic liquid seaweed as it seems like a pretty easy step in the process. Went to check on sour bog, pineapple, and alien dawg yesterday for a feed/spray down, and man oh man, what a site. Leaving those girls grow by them selves is going to prove to be some great bud no doubt! I have been so busy this week I still haven't even gotten around to starting my second attempt at the pvc cloner guts, this will get finished on the weekend as I am ready to start working on my cloning experience As I said yesterday, here are some picture from then, will take a couple later on of an overall to compare a daily shot to;

GSC

BD

WW EXP

This looks like WW from the thumbnails..

Here is the worst off unknown bagseed, This is the girl that got the piss and molasses feedings, actually looking better this morning!

And a couple overalls

Enjoy CA

 

[CA215]

And to follow up to that post and keep the thread interesting, a little post on what i'm currently smoking on! First four strains are dispensary bud, last is some local budz, small nugz but good deal;

Cherry Cookies

Sour Cookies

Ultra Violet

Kens Grand Daddy Purple

Some local bud I've been smoking on, Sour Diesel (small nugs)

Enjoy some micro porn CA215

 

[GreatLife4All]

With the consistent light coloring on top and the dead and yellowing leaves on the bottom - it definitely looks to be nitrogen deficiency.

Your girls are talking to you...

 

[OG1969]

What does are you using the three part at Ca? I am running mine at aggressive growth with no problems , feeding every other watering. Mine are in the ground but they are getting about four gallons of water and or feed at one time . Just curious maybe a good foliar feeding before dark and sunup I use the roots organic extreme serene , nice group of plants peace, OG.

 

[ottothief]

Great job CA215,Nice plantsAre you going to journal the making of the cloner?Im wanting to make one also after i watched this guy on u tube.

 

[KingJohnC]

Great close ups!

 

[CA215]

With the consistent light coloring on top and the dead and yellowing leaves on the bottom - it definitely looks to be nitrogen deficiency.

Your girls are talking to you...

Spot on, right? They have been talking to me for the past week and daddy has been too busy!!
Made an order yesterday for some "Microbe-Lift Nitrogen Aquatic Plant Suppplement, 16oz" to see if it will lend a helping hand with the deficiency, and I also ordered a quart of "Botanicare Cal-Mag Supplement" for further on down the road. if issues arise and I need it, I already have it. That's my new outlook on everything. I'm going to start purchasing everything I need so i don't have to play the waiting and catching up game.. Thanks for stoppin in GreatLife Appreciate the concern! CA

What does are you using the three part at Ca? I am running mine at aggressive growth with no problems , feeding every other watering. Mine are in the ground but they are getting about four gallons of water and or feed at one time . Just curious maybe a good foliar feeding before dark and sunup I use the roots organic extreme serene , nice group of plants peace, OG.

I am still running my girls at 10mL mic/gro/flo per gal @ 6.5pH but at time they might be getting a little chunkier dose like 12mL/gal sometimes when I'm rushing. I have been giving my girls nutrients every single feeding, but oddly enough, they got pure pH'd water last night.. half the time we are thinking the same thing, HAH! & Your saying your girls take 4 gallons, is that all of your girls or just 4 gallons per girl? I fill up 4 gallons and 2 gallons at the moment and disperse them throughout the 5 girls in pots, I'm almost to the point of feeding every day and a half with these smart pots, they dry so damn fast!! Side note, I flushed the unknown bagseed that has been yellowing to make sure she isn't loaded with nutrients as she is HUGE already in the small 5 gal bucket.. thought this could be an issue so might as well experiment, gave her 4 gallons pH water last night which flushed her pretty good, will keep a close eye on her throughout the next week I'm going to give that roots organic spray a look into. Last night I incorporated 30mL Neptunes Harvest Organic Liquid Seaweed in 3 gallons with 5-6 tbsp Monterey Insecticide/Miticide/Spinosad. Feel pretty good mixing this stuff in as it seems very easy on the plants. CA

Great job CA215,Nice plantsAre you going to journal the making of the cloner?Im wanting to make one also after i watched this guy on u tube.

Hey Otto! I was thinking about having my girlfriend take pictures as I was making it, could do that wouldnt be too difficult. I am actually using 420fied's thread here on 420magazine to make it, if you click this sentence, I have linked you to it Read through it and you will see how freakin' easy this guy makes it look, it really is super easy. Just make sure you measure twice, cut once (and don't get your measurements over the phone from your girl ). Pretty much spent under 100 bucks so far, but with all the PVC and 90's I need now I think I might break the 100 dollar mark slightly CA215, I can infact take some picture of my final piece with it in action,

Great close ups!

Thanks KJC! I usuallly do this with all the bud I purchase, would like to see what i'm smoking on!
Matter of fact, ultra violet in the chamber, fire in the hoooolllleee!!!


CA215

 

[CA215]

The 30mL of seaweed mixed in the water last night looks like it did wonders for the plants, very dark green with very nice healthy shine. Too bad it says foliar feeds every 2-3 weeks. Anybody pushing the limits foliar spray wise? Thinking I can spray every other (insecticide, neem, mighty wash) spraying if I cut down the dosings.. but then again i'm very aware of the 1/4 or 1/3 rule but following the directions of the Neptunes Harvest seemed pretty fine off. Will hold off as the directions say, but as of right now im convinced the girls love it. Definitely hitting the books to produce a nice mix for them, would like to see what else I can incorporate in.. Perhaps some of the goodies I ordered? Ahh good times Going to take a couple pictures to see if you all can see the noticeable difference I can see, who knows my camera sucks so no promises CA

 

[CA215]

I think you will be able to see, pictures came out so-so.. but I am still seeing some yellow, & my order hasn't shipped yet sweeet.

WW Experiment

Dealing with these damned tree flowers, picking them off daily from the plants LOL..

Blue Dream, getting pretty big, seeing some weird bowing on her from the spraying I think, will document her through out the next few days.

Next is the GSC TM

Now the WW free ballin', looking great up top, but still seeing yellowing down low, becoming a daily thing. Sketchy!

And the Unknown bagseed, looking alright to me, better give her a couple more days to feel better from the drowning

Surrounding garden, i picked 3 10"+ zucchinis and a yellow crookneck squash last night, tasty homegrown food.. more to come! MMJ couldnt come any faster I tell ya

And Big betsy!! Almost to the top of the fence.. I really need to do something about this...

Time to go smoke up, stay safe 420goers, CA215

 

[Spimp]

First let me say they are looking awesome!! The pic of the leaf with the curl, or margin rolling, could be water stress. Heres a couple links to see if this may be it:
Water stress
it could be hea as well. Apparently this is a way for the leaf to dispel heat: Heat curl
And just to let you not worry, heres a great pic of the margin roll, and the grower claims after a while it just got better lol
Edges rolled up

In my completlyUN-professional opinion, She'll be fine. give her a day or two and see if they lay back down. Speaking of laying down, a back yard like that is a hammock away from bliss sir.

 

[Sinsemillas]

I take my hat off, to you. Those plants are like mammoth ganja! looking healthy, happy and amazing. I have a big tree near my grow , from which pollen and annoying small flowers fall everytime....... I feel you on that. When does your flower season starts? cant wait.

 

[Lester Freeman]

Hope your ready for some monstrous plants buddy!

 

[GreatLife4All]

No kidding, those things are really taking off.

Job well done CA!

 

[OG1969]

Dam CA, you are gonna have some trees very soon, looking awesome , and they haven't even hit the stretch yet. Beautiful group of plants.
And it is 4 gallons a plant the ground around them is super hard and dry so they tend to dry out a little quicker 4 gallons gives me about 2 days before the need water again. Peace and killer grow so far OG.