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Cmoneywills
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1 gallon but repotted to 3 gallon
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moderngroroom
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Do you have a tds meter.. do you know at half strength what the ec or ppm of the nute mix is?
moderngroroom
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Since your using distilled water itll be all nute solution instead of adding in for what tap water has in it..distilled water is going to get costly once you start having to water alot and like we said earlier makesure your adding cal-mag
Sctanley007
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Modern is correct insofar as buying water will get costly after a while. I mix about 10 gallons a week.
I disagree about the precise water temp. In nature rain doesn’t fall from the sky at a specific temp. While a certain range is necessary to avoid shocking the plant...too hot or too cold an exact temp isn’t necessary and will eventually drive you mental.
Too cold and you will shock the plant causing stem discoloration and poor health. Too hot and you cook the roots. To avoid shock I try to get the water to approximately the temp of the grow space.
Some truth in what was said about temperature having an impact however at 68 degrees the plant will slow or stop developing. However, that is the overall temp of the plants surroundings..air, soil and water. At 64 degrees the plant cannot accept magnesium but I’m not sure if that is only water temp or if the soil temp will accommodate.
Personally I don’t focus on only one aspect of my environment because with every action there is a reaction. You change one thing and it will affect something else and so on. Find a balance that works. It takes time.
My tent stays in the low 70’s with a RH in the 20’s which is low but my plants don’t seem to mind.
When all is said and done you will learn what works. That comes through reading and research but not blindly following without knowing the how’s and whys.
You know the saying about opinions?
I disagree about the precise water temp. In nature rain doesn’t fall from the sky at a specific temp. While a certain range is necessary to avoid shocking the plant...too hot or too cold an exact temp isn’t necessary and will eventually drive you mental.
Too cold and you will shock the plant causing stem discoloration and poor health. Too hot and you cook the roots. To avoid shock I try to get the water to approximately the temp of the grow space.
Some truth in what was said about temperature having an impact however at 68 degrees the plant will slow or stop developing. However, that is the overall temp of the plants surroundings..air, soil and water. At 64 degrees the plant cannot accept magnesium but I’m not sure if that is only water temp or if the soil temp will accommodate.
Personally I don’t focus on only one aspect of my environment because with every action there is a reaction. You change one thing and it will affect something else and so on. Find a balance that works. It takes time.
My tent stays in the low 70’s with a RH in the 20’s which is low but my plants don’t seem to mind.
When all is said and done you will learn what works. That comes through reading and research but not blindly following without knowing the how’s and whys.
You know the saying about opinions?
vtwin906
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LOL! yup, just like a pie-hole, everybody got one!
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Cmoneywills
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Good advice. This is my first grow in this basement and it gets quite cold. I battled the low temps for awhile untill i got a better heater so it wasnt helping especially with the more muture foliage. That and i went alittle light on the nute mix as i am trying remo for the first time. Prob resulted in some nitrogen and mag defs. Just repotted to 3 gallon and waiting for first feed. Will keep posted.
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Cmoneywills
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New pics. Just watered with alittle more nitrogen. Thanks @moderngroroom. They are looking pretty healthy. Want do you think about alittle pruning? Going to put into flower in around a week. Any suggestions from here? They are week 6 of veg. Using two mars2 700w.
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420IS
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IMHO dont even think about flipping until you get the drooping issue resolved. wait until they are upright facing the light
moderngroroom
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I wouldnt do anything till you get that droop fixed not inless you took pic before lights on or off..
thats severe droop there un happy buddy..
id agree with 420is
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Cmoneywills
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Took pic right before watering and just after lights on. Will take more pics tonight. Any common reason for droop? I thought it was a result of flucuating temps but have that under control now.
Sctanley007
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A common reason is too much water. Gotta leave them be for a while.
Your posts show you watered today and yesterday...too much. And you potted up to a 3 gal Saturday...I assume you watered when up potting. That would be 3 waterings in 5 days.
Personally, and I’ve been growing in 3 gal pots also and in veg I water about 2 liters every 5-7 days. Only about the middle of flower will I have to water about every 3-5 days until finish.
It’s not the safest way to calculate but I allowed the pot to dry just until the plant began to droop...it will look like yours but for the opposite reason, too little water. Then I water and note how long it takes to dry to that point again and begin checking the weight of the pot then.
Your posts show you watered today and yesterday...too much. And you potted up to a 3 gal Saturday...I assume you watered when up potting. That would be 3 waterings in 5 days.
Personally, and I’ve been growing in 3 gal pots also and in veg I water about 2 liters every 5-7 days. Only about the middle of flower will I have to water about every 3-5 days until finish.
It’s not the safest way to calculate but I allowed the pot to dry just until the plant began to droop...it will look like yours but for the opposite reason, too little water. Then I water and note how long it takes to dry to that point again and begin checking the weight of the pot then.
Emilya Green
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The droop is usually the result of the lower roots being in trouble, and most commonly it is because they have remained under water for a long period of time.
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Cmoneywills
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Thanks guys will dial it down. Do you usually water with nutes every feeding?
moderngroroom
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Depends on what soil you used if it has nutes in it.
Yeah you have watered 3 times in 5 days thats way way to much water. You are killing the roots that are sitting in water the droop is possibly going to not recover specially since being drowned in water that long.. you can use the hydrogen peroxide method like i did with one of my plants thats the only thing that saved her from dieing but youll have to wait till the soil drys out a lil bit.
I wouldnt flip the time till you get this under control. You should be waiting atleast 3/4 days to water maybe even 5 since you repotted..
Emilya Green
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In a soilless medium you want to give nutes every time. In soil, it is customary to water with nutes one time, and then give at least one and maybe two waterings with just pH adjusted water. The reason is that on the first pass, the plant typically cant use all of the nutes that you apply... the second and third passes allow you to pick up those nutes and actually use them, helping to eliminate buildups in the container.
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Cmoneywills
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Thanks
for all the advice this community is great and i am happy i joined. Hopefully they will be ok.Sctanley007
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Dont get discouraged. We’re all here to help and probably most if not all have been where you are whether it be water or some other funky stuff.
These plants are very patient with us as we learn their personalities.
It’s all good in the 420 hood.
These plants are very patient with us as we learn their personalities.
It’s all good in the 420 hood.
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Cmoneywills
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With 2 liters of water i guess you dont get any runoff? I read that 10-20% runoff is what you are looking for?
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moderngroroom
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Thats what i thought!!! No droop now.. you were taking the pictures either before lights off or just when they came on thats typical for them to droop during those times nobody really knows why they do that mine droop the whole time during lights out .. thats why i always ask are you taking pics after the lights come on or before they go off.. instead mostly everybody assumes overwatering but you have gave them 3 waterings in 5 days but with only a quart of water.. when you water you should be using 3/4 of a gallon for 3 gallon pots..
its hard to say without being there and knowing how heavy your pot is after watering and before watering.. you are just going to have to figure this out but its not hard at all and your still in veg so you will be ok with doing the dry in wet cycles but i don’t recommend it during flowering.
Itll be like picking up a wet towel vs a dry towel if that makes any sense
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