Obama's Biden pick - awful!

[Akornpatch]

Let's not gloss over the fact that "Obama's running mate, Delaware senior Senator Joe Biden has a 35-year record regarding the drug war, almost all of it disgraceful. Biden's most recent verbal support in favor of medical cannabis notwithstanding, the bottom line is that the Senator is a primary architect of the federal policies that have brought us: mandatory minimum sentencing in drug crimes, random workplace drug testing for public employees, the 100-to-1 cr*ck versus powder c****** sentencing ratio, the creation of the Drug Czar's office, the RAVE Act, and America's modern federal anti-paraphernalia laws (the statute that comedian Tommy Chong ultimately spent nine months in prison for violating). Most recently, Biden endorsed a nationwide ban on smoking, and he espoused the use of mycoherbicides such as Fusarium oxysporum – a genetically engineered fungal plant killer – in illicit crop eradication efforts." as published on the NORML site.

Be careful who you vote for!

Peace,
Akorn

 

[Jim Finnel]

Re: Obama's Biden pick - aweful!

all that being said what are we to do, vote for mccain? as much as i'd rather vote for paul i just don't see him winning. this election cycle i don't see any choice for myself but to vote obama. i don't see obama as someone who would have his policies dictated to him by biden. hopefully.

 

[Keith Lake]

Re: Obama's Biden pick - aweful!

all that being said what are we to do, vote for mccain? as much as i'd rather vote for paul i just don't see him winning. this election cycle i don't see any choice for myself but to vote obama. i don't see obama as someone who would have his policies dictated to him by biden. hopefully.

Good Question

my opinion on this answer depends on which state you reside in.

If you are in a state that has at least a 5-10 point lead for one candidate or the other you can vote for Ron Paul or Bob Barr without taking the risk of getting one of the big 2 elected.

check out the current electoral map RealClearPolitics - Electoral Map

Personally I'm a resident of North Carolina for this vote - where McCain has a big lead - so I'm probably going to hit Barr. [It still bugs me about his old Anti-Clinton / Drug Warrior past though so I'm still thinking Ron Paul]

I want my vote to go to a drug law reformer

 

[Akornpatch]

Re: Obama's Biden pick - aweful!

all that being said what are we to do, vote for mccain? as much as i'd rather vote for paul i just don't see him winning. this election cycle i don't see any choice for myself but to vote obama. i don't see obama as someone who would have his policies dictated to him by biden. hopefully.

I hear ya bro. I'm stuck too. I don't understand why RP didn't catch on. Talk about change, he would be real change! We are highly due for a legit 3rd party in this fight. Sigh.

 

[Akornpatch]

Re: Obama's Biden pick - aweful!

I want my vote to go to a drug law reformer

I just don't see Obama doing anything as long as Biden is whispering in his ear. If Obama changed up the drug war, that would be like slapping Biden in the face.

If Ron Paul is anywhere on the ticket, I'm voting for him. If not...Bob Barr is it.

All this makes my stomach turn actually. I think I need a hash brownie.

Peace,
Akorn

 

[darkrail]

Re: Obama's Biden pick - aweful!

I'm voting for Bob Barr just because he'll be on the ballot and Ron Paul won't. Barr's legislative history is disgusting, but at least he's seen the light recently.

Of course neither Barr nor Paul will win. That's a given. But voting for one of them is still a powerful thing. It registers your disgust with the current system, and shows that a big section of society still cares about old-school Constitution-style ideas of freedom. You know, back when "freedom" meant "freedom" and not "what's good for the children."

I argue with people all the time about the idea of "wasting my vote" on a 3rd party. Nonsense! The only way you can waste your vote is to vote for one of the two stupid parties that have been running our country into the ground. Voting either democrat or republican is just saying, "More of the same, please!" Sure the republicans have been responsible for messing things up more lately, but if you look at our history spanning the last few generations both parties are equally responsible. Both parties are exactly the same to me. One promotes a little more financial freedom, the other a little more personal freedom, but in the end they both do the same thing. I mean, right now we're getting started on nationalizing our insurance and banking industries to the tune of $1 trillion dollars (that's what some estimate the current round of bailouts will cost taxpayers). That's some crazy-ass socialism if I've ever seen it... and it's being done by a so-called conservative republican administration! These labels no longer mean anything! Both ruling parties are the same!!!

The Libertarian Party's pro-weed stance is only the tip of the iceberg of goodness they offer.

And that's my Libertarian rant for the day.

 

[bergdawg]

Not to sound like a Downer Debby, but there are far greater issues we need to worry about. As much as I'd love to see cannabis legalized, it won't happen. We need to worry about Healthcare, energy, Climate Change, etc. We all love marijuana, but we need to make the world a better place before we get to secondary issues.

 

[BubbaKush]

Mc cain has out right said he would continue the raids on dispensaries and growers.

 

[Boss]

Yep. Now is the time to make a decision folks. We need all the votes we can get to toss out the current regime.

Voting third party helps nobody but yourself, and your "Feelings."

Get with the program. I don't care if you vote for either of the main 2, but at THIS point in time, you need to make a choice. If you think the world is a better place with current policies, vote republican. If not, Vote Democrat. DO NOT use THIS vote to "Show" support for a 3rd party when there is so much at stake for the majority of the population.

If the Dems lose by.02%, and we get more little Hitler/Evangelicals in office, I am packing my shit.



It is time for real humans to unite. Lord knows the freaks and fascists are uniting behind that sad, sorry excuse of a VP choice. I would not have chosen biden, but I know why Obama did it, and I understand why it was a better choice then Palin.


If you can live with knowing that thousands of raped women will have to go underground to get abortions, or be forced to carry that emotional nightmare for 9 months, have fun sleeping at night. I on the other hand, would not deem myself so mighty as to dictate the emotional state of a woman after being raped, and tell her if she has the right to do what she feels is best. Not to mention make her pay for the rape kit...

If you cannot see how sick this nation is, and how dangerous the situation will be should Mccain/Palin be elected, we are in for it.

When it comes down to Cannabis, or a womans right to choose, I will back womens rights. We can deal with Cannabis another time.

 

[RC1962]

without getting to deep and political the fact is it doesnt matter who you vote for becuse all those ole grey headed bastards behind the curtain that are running things wont lax up till it is a time when they are ready to profit from us, i believe it will come but "they" feel its not yet.

 

[BubbaKush]

I agree with Boss get on the ball and vote for Obama the lesser of two evils.

 

[growrilla]

Re: Obama's Biden pick - aweful!

all that being said what are we to do, vote for mccain? as much as i'd rather vote for paul i just don't see him winning. this election cycle i don't see any choice for myself but to vote obama. i don't see obama as someone who would have his policies dictated to him by biden. hopefully.

Please support the best person, there are millions of people who say "id vote for rp but i dont think he can win" if no one votes for him.he wont. A vote for anyone other than those two lying slices of the same pie would be great. Nothing changes in America because we go dem, then rep, then dem...... and nothing changes because the parties are not really any different.

Everyone has to remeber this is an election supporting the wrong guy because he can win is a popularity contest, i dont want B spears running the country.

The way i see it a vote for mccain is a vote for bush, and a vote for obama is no better. we need to send a message that we are tired of this two part ass raping we have been getting.

 

[RC1962]

what i dont understand is why we only actually have two to choose from, its all about money and thats what gets you elected, who should be president....every day joe plummer, mike the mechanic .... somebody that is in the heartbeat of america, not someone raised with a silver spoon in their mouth. why oil tycoons or overpaid lawyers? why people that have advisors to tell them what to do?

 

[Boss]

Ok growrilla. A vote for Obama is no better? Did you read what I just wrote?

So you think right to choose is no better than abortion criminalization? I beg to differ.

 

[Jim Finnel]

Not to sound like a Downer Debby, but there are far greater issues we need to worry about. As much as I'd love to see cannabis legalized, it won't happen. We need to worry about Healthcare, energy, Climate Change, etc. We all love marijuana, but we need to make the world a better place before we get to secondary issues.

i agree that marijuana is not the most important issue, but its the one we focus on here.

 

[darkrail]

Hey Boss,

I've got a lot of respect for your opinion. I've enjoyed many of your posts over the last year (I lurk a lot). Like you, my disgust with Bush is so strong that I'm often tempted to vote for Obama just because it would feel good to say NO to the republicans. Still, I'm going to disagree with you on this one.

I don't vote Libertarian to make myself feel better. I'm advancing a revolution. Revolutions take a long time and a lot of small steps, and voting against the two clown parties is an important part of the process.

Someday a third party will win the presidency, and hopefully it's a good third party, one concerned with advancing freedom. I lived in Minnesota and had the privilege of voting for Jesse Ventura when he won that race. He may not have been the most effective governor ever, but it was spectacular proof that we can topple the established system if we just try. During that election, people were so disgusted with the standard two same-old choices that everyone I knew was happy to "throw their vote away" on some joke of a pro-wrestler. And, lo and behold, those "thrown away votes" ended up winning the day. WE CAN DO THIS AGAIN!

Your point about abortion is a great one. Abortion is a crucial issue on which you and I agree. So is weed. So is personal privacy. Are you familiar with the "anti-terrorism" legislation Biden authored in 1995? It never became law, but it was like the current Patriot Act on steroids! Biden himself, on many occasions before Obama picked him, complained that our current Patriot Act doesn't go far enough, and that it's merely a weak copy of his great 1995 legislation. Even if you ignore Biden's anti-drug past, he's still a vicious enemy of freedom.

Both of the clown parties are awful. I'm a real believer that all the issues of the day can be solved with more freedom. "More Freedom" is the only issue that matters to me, because it encompasses all of the other issues I care about. That's why I ignore it when John McSame tells me he's going to slash the budget by cutting wasteful spending and corruption (probably a lie), or when Obama says he'd stop the fed's raids on dispensaries (probably a lie too--he's already started back-peddling on that). Only strong principles can save our disintegrating country, and the strongest principle we need is FREEDOM.

Even if you don't agree with my somewhat-radical position on voting, it's hard to argue with soniq420's awesome post (#3) above. If your state is definitely going to go republican or democrat, you've got nothing to lose by voting on principle for the party you truly believe in. Then, when 2012 comes along, we can use these results to convince even more people to go to a 3rd party, and more in 2016, and pretty soon we will reach that tipping-point like we did in Minnesota where a 3rd party really can win.

Even if Obama wins this one, you know we're in for more of the same. I believe they call it "B.O.H.I.C.A." in the army.

With Respect,
--DarkRail

 

[FreakNature]

Good post and I agree.

 

[RooRman]

This whole election is quite frankly awful. Like Southpark says, you always have a choice... and that choice is between a giant douche and a turd sandwich.

But if you know me, you would understand why I would NEVER help to put Obama in office no matter how horrible McBush is.

 

[merickson]

I voted for Nader in 2000. The Shrub won that election. Those that said that there is no difference between Bush and Gore weren't looking very closely.

This November either McCain or Obama is going to win the election. (I've read no posts that dispute that, so I don't need to make an analogy to the Tooth Fairy.) Those who vote, on principle, for a third party candidate won't help decide which of those two win. There are principles (cannabis politics, anti-corpratist,...) worth voting for. And those who want to use their vote to express those priciples are welcome to.

I adhere to the principle to use my vote to make the US the best place that it can be in the next four years. The way that the country is, the electorate that is going to vote this November makes McCain and Obama the only options. That is the existing fence around "it can be". That's the way the country is, it's part of being alive in 2008.

I've decided to cast my vote in the hope that Obama will be president. He is the best president that this country is capable of in 2009-2013. I hope we get better at making presidents, but those two are what this country has come up with.

"The difference between bad and worse is sharper than the difference between good and better."

 

[darkrail]

Like Southpark says, you always have a choice... and that choice is between a giant douche and a turd sandwich.

Amen!

There's more wisdom in South Park than in all of the presidential debates of my lifetime combined. Smart show.