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    Re: Haight Solid State LED Grow Lights

    Wow.... I had no idea that this whole LED vs. HPS thing was so heated. I honestly thought that everyone felt that at this time, LED lighting was more of an expensive novelty than a workable solution! I would love to see some dry-weight numbers as well. That could really help this argument along. I wouldn't put that light in a junk pile, by the way. You could make some cash back on that by selling it on eBay or something. Just a thought man. I would love to see some updated pics of the cab!!

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    I have yet to see an LED grow using LED through all the way to harvest.

    I have two 55 watt led panels and I swear I'm going to do an LED grow through to the end whether the yield looks like it's going to be OK or not.

    It's gonna have to wait a bit though, I need to get a few more grows under my belt with HPS first.

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    Those are some very cool LED grow lights to be sure, but I don't agree that they'll be replacing HIDs anytime soon. Yes, they use a lot less power and put out a lot less heat. This makes them much better in certain applications (just as CFLs can be better than HID in specific applications.)

    However, it's just not tenable to argue that the LED grow lights can replace HID grow lights and get the same results - not just yet. I mean it's possible with enough LEDs crammed in there along the top and all four sides you could get an equal yield, but the up-front cost of that many high-end LEDs is going to be astronomical.

    Personally I'd rather spend that money on what I know is going to get me top yields and quality - air-cooled HID and all the Advanced Nutrients I can lay my hands on. Of course I don't have the weird Californian energy laws where I live so that's not a problem. LED is only situationally better than HID, and even in those situations you're sacrificing yield.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeyMcMedic View Post
    Wow.... I had no idea that this whole LED vs. HPS thing was so heated. I honestly thought that everyone felt that at this time, LED lighting was more of an expensive novelty than a workable solution! I would love to see some dry-weight numbers as well. That could really help this argument along. I wouldn't put that light in a junk pile, by the way. You could make some cash back on that by selling it on eBay or something. Just a thought man. I would love to see some updated pics of the cab!!
    By total dry weight you mean with leaves and stems? I'm sorry, I haven't been tracking that.

    I'll get some more shot of some good buds, I think most of the plants in the original pics have been harvested by now.

    Here are some pics of this weeks harvest. She is a Grapefruit (or Cindy 99) and was 12 inches tall when started to flower on 4/27. She must of been in that original shot somewhere. She was harvested today. I trim the buds when they are fresh and then dry them on a rack. We had a little too much heat and she suffered a bit, not my best by far - still it looks like it will be a half ounce once dried. I harvest one or two plants like her each week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigpapa View Post
    UL...Underwriter labs Underwriters Laboratories Inc. name plate on the equipment is 9 amps. divide volts into watts. BTW I am an lisc. electrician for 26 years i am not going to have this argument with you. hacker type breakers are designed to take spike loads, its code.....called NEC. National electrical code.
    Quote Originally Posted by sfhaze View Post
    Like I said, HPS is no problem for an engineer.
    An electrician is not the same thing as an electrical engineer (and boy do we love to have friendly arguments with each other lol). Please do not get the two confused. Don't get me wrong, nothing against them but they are trained very differently and to perform different jobs. They don't get nearly as in-depth with the electrical theory and mathematical equations (and don't need to) but they do damn fine real-world work (right bigpapa? We design things that look GREAT on paper or the computer but are impossible to utilize in the real world HAHA!).Then again I see the term "engineer" applied to almost anything nowadays...hell, I see job adverts for "sandwich engineers" lol.

    I will back up bigpapa, he is absolutely correct about the amperage for a 1kW light being only 9A in steady state. He is also absolutely correct about breakers being designed to handle load spikes (in-rush current). Your home or business or whatever would burn down if breakers were not designed to handle these spikes and had to be over-sized to keep from tripping.

    I too believe that LED's are the wave of the future especially considering their efficiency (up to 99%) which automatically means less heat and current consumption. They just need some maturation time...I'm keeping an eye on this for more updates

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    Re: Haight Solid State LED Grow Lights

    Quote Originally Posted by bigpapa View Post
    1 LED grow plants yes
    2 LED have less heat yes
    3 LED cost less to run yes
    4 LED more effective in veg then MH or HPS NO
    5 LED out perform in bloom MH or HPS NO
    Its like saying you want to take a hybrid to drag race
    ye you will get the the end of the track but it will take you alot longer
    sorry but the results are not there yet.In time they will get it.
    While I tend to agree with you, I wonder how #s 4 & 5 would be if the LED setup had exactly the same amount of watts as the HID one. Sure a 600 or 1000 watt HPS will flower better than (say) a ~110-watt LED. But better than a 600- or 1000-watt LED fixture with a broad mix of wavelengths?

    Would cost a LOT but the monthly electrical usage would be the same (depending on ballast losses and the like). Although the LED might still cost less total due to less a/c required (but a 600/1k watt fixture is still going to produce some heat no matter what its efficiency rating is).
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    Re: Haight Solid State LED Grow Lights

    Quote Originally Posted by bigpapa View Post
    Here is a plant for you pulled 4.5 oz dry from it was in POM had to pull it when pit went on grow support
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    an that pic was 2 weeks from harvest
    1 LED grow plants yes
    2 LED have less heat yes
    3 LED cost less to run yes
    4 LED more effective in veg then MH or HPS NO
    5 LED out perform in bloom MH or HPS NO
    Its like saying you want to take a hybrid to drag race
    ye you will get the the end of the track but it will take you alot longer
    sorry but the results are not there yet.In time they will get it.
    You left out ease of use. HPS would not fit in my cabinet, and even if it did it would melt. Also, you can't lump all LEDs into the same basket - these work well.

    I claim that if you just want to grow a few ounces per month and not pay any large bills that these LED lights are the way to go. You might not win plant of the year, but even a novice can set them up and get a decent yield. It doesn't need a lot of space - it can be done in any apartment.

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    Re: Haight Solid State LED Grow Lights

    Quote Originally Posted by Pitviper View Post
    yes that is dry weight. only buds. no leaves,sticks,stones,hydroton,crickets,ladybugs or crickets
    I get about half an ounce per plant, 10 plants every 7 to 8 weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigpapa View Post
    TS....I still dont think a LED is for new growers.It maybe in time, just not at this time.
    Just try to imagine your sister or mother trying to set something up in a closet in a 100 year old building in San Francisco with no ac and wiring from who know's when. It's so much easier and worry free with LEDs - but I can see I'm not going to convince everybody.

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    Re: Haight Solid State LED Grow Lights

    Quote Originally Posted by bigpapa View Post
    TS... I see what your saying,they just need to be refined a few more years and we all may have them.Or they may go into another direction. some tech. will hit dead ends and will take years before they get over the hump.I just dont have that time to waste.Time is money fact of life.This is a passion for me not a hobby.As i said in this thread. The reason i came was this post was linked to new grower, asking about what light to buy.I still dont think a LED is for new growers.It maybe in time, just not at this time.
    Yeah, I'd like something in a thin liquid film sandwiched array that I can unroll and stick a sheet of wherever I'd like. Something that's transparent when powered off and with an adjustable color temperature curve.

    I guess it won't exactly be in a store near you this year.
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    Re: Haight Solid State LED Grow Lights

    3mm thick 11" Sony OLED (organic LED) went on sale a couple years ago in Japan:

    3mm-thick Sony OLED screen: TV takes another giant leap forward

    Here's a link to a flexible video display...limited color and resolution but it's a start (from 2006) [edit: nm...it posted the video, whatever works]:



    But I say forget all these grow lights...WHEN are we going to build a replicator like they had on Star Trek? Just get your best buds and toss an ounce in, replicate it 16 times, and BAM! You got a pound of your best bud

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    Re: Haight Solid State LED Grow Lights

    Quote Originally Posted by bigpapa View Post
    There not even showing the real stuff they have yet. Tech.on the market is years behind what they have designed.look at PC you buy it 2 month its out dated
    Roughly...mine's about eight months old and my processor cost still hasn't gone down. Video card is still close to top-of-the-line (was second best at the time). Really depends what you purchase but I know what you mean. The stuff I posted above is a good example though as that was 2-3 years ago and it's still really not in the mainstream market...at least nowhere that I've shopped online or in person.

    Then there's the secret technologies that the government/military is working on...they're probably growing Redwood trees with some fancy bioluminescent nanorobots that have highly advanced AI so they know exactly where to go and what wavelength to produce. :D Or maybe they have already built that replicator and are planning to smoke out the entire country causing wide-spread submission?

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    Re: Haight Solid State LED Grow Lights

    Hey sfhaze.... How is the LED grow coming along? I would love to see some new pics, or maybe even a journal! I havent found a journal on this website yet that has used LED's all the way thru. I would love to see one, and I think everyone else would as well! Keep us posted!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeyMcMedic View Post
    Hey sfhaze.... How is the LED grow coming along? I would love to see some new pics, or maybe even a journal! I havent found a journal on this website yet that has used LED's all the way thru. I would love to see one, and I think everyone else would as well! Keep us posted!!
    Okay, I'll start a log on the top shelf activity, the bottom shelf is all grapefruit and kind of boring to watch.

    Here is this weeks update.

    I have 3 pictures:

    First, the cabinet - There are 4 plants, going left to right
    purple wreck
    mazar (4 weeks into flower)
    purple wreck - harvest today
    blue cheese



    Here is a close up of the buds on the bottom of the purple wreck being harvested today. What's cool is that even 3 feet down from the light and in the shade, there are still some good buds.



    This last shot is of two mazar sisters. On the left is the plant from the cabinet - 4 weeks into flower. She is 22 inches tall. On the right is her sister still in veg - she is 16. The one in flower is shorter then I like, so I'm planning to veg the sister out a little longer. By next week she should be in the cabinet.



    Can someone help make the pictures live? I can do the link but not sure how to make it live.

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    Re: Haight Solid State LED Grow Lights

    Quote Originally Posted by sfhaze View Post
    Can someone help make the pictures live? I can do the link but not sure how to make it live.
    The link in my signature explains it, but basically, once you have the pictures uploaded to the gallery here they can be inserted into your post. While creating your message, simply click on the Insert Image icon () and past your image link into the box. (That's how I added the to this one lol.)

    Hope this helps!
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