4x4' Tent - Canna Coco - 400W HPS - Vertical Grow With Screens

[gr865]

Ok, so I went to the Hydro store to get some Canna A&B.

Talking to my Hydro guy at the store yesterday and filled him in on what I have been doing, ppm's and pH. We talked about the Blumats and I showed him a few pics of the plants, BC1 in picticulary. When I got to the pic of BC1, I said and this is the bitch that is causing my grief. He began to laugh and said that he knew exactly what the problem is. He told me that before he opened the store that he had ran Blumats with coco and the same thing happened to him. Said he, like I, was trying to control the amount of water/nutes to the plants, and that he let them get to dry which sort of shut down the plant (lockout) and they were not able to access the available nutes from the low amount of water in the coco. It was good that I had done a heavy flush with the proper pH and nute range and that my nutes were fine and that I did not need to change them, told him that I had been around 550 ppm but had lowered it to 300 ppm while trying to correct the problem and he said that's fine but as they start to recover that I should start raising that number to between 4 and 500, then around week 7 increase that to close to 600 ppm if they are feeding heavy at that point. He suggested that since there is no runoff that I flush weekly to every 10 days, mainly to make sure they have the right moisture and to flush any excess nute buildup. Said at the rates I am running I should not have any buildup but did not hurt to flush. He assured me it will be ok, lol, felt like a kids in grade school being talked to by a teacher just assuring me.
So, we move on from here, got my first good night sleep last night in over a week. He had never ran a vertical grow but was damn interested in what I was doing, said I was probably sat back by a couple of weeks, I can live with that.

GR

 

[Billyjack]

Really nice work on taking care of everything.

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[gr865]

Day 30 of 12/12
Ok, made the switch last night, GH Micro/Bloom to Canna nutes, since at 4th week added Liquid KoolBloom, Canna.zym, SM90, Epsom and Drip Clean. 650 ppm and 5.81 pH
Checked the rez this morning, 635 ppm and 6.05 pH, adjust it to 5.87. Had some runoff in one of my trays, remove it and checked the numbers, not bad at all, 497 ppm and 5.91 pH.
Much better numbers than what has been showing.
Before adding mix to the rez this evening will check the numbers again. Have 6+ gallons from last nights mix, I will adjust as need prior to adding to the rez. They are drinking about 1.5 gallons a day not.

The claw is still prominent but the buds are building and doing ok, not great, just ok. Will get some pics soon. Figure the damage has been done and all I can do is just ride out the rest of the grow. Still unsure of the cause, N toxicity, heat from the lamps, or just my fuckup.
Have yet to find any info on Blumats/Canna coco/Canna nute and the ppm's to use in the rez. Found post saying 400 ppm in the rez, tried that and ended up with this problem. Going to stick with this new rate, see how it performs so will have some idea for the next grow.

I will be using one strain on this next vert grow, any suggestions for a 5 plant grow, in a 4x4x7.

GR

ps. My pH meter is slowly dying, getting reading, just that the screen is failing. Again any suggestions?

 

[VladimirPutin]

Good luck G,

If I were you I'd make a wise decision of poppping new beans so your next grow can give you the buds you were hoping for while this one finishes up

Canna A/B is pricey stuff that is basically a turn-key full nutrient solution. You'll do fine

 

[gr865]

Thanks VP,

I have 5 Critical Kush fem, but unsure that's what I want to do. Need to see how this one turns out, not sure what I did wrong but coco is not supposed to be this hard. LOL It could have been the Exodus Cheese from my last grow, that shit still fucks me up big time daily and I have smoked about 5 zips since April, mainly in one hitters and my pipe. Do like the occasional joint though.

Looking for high THC Indica for my meds. Am thinking that if they are short then possibly do a sort of a stacked grow, coliseum?, don't know yet. Other ideas would involve upgrading lighting, and I just cannot afford that.

I will keep on trucking as I do love my hobby and I get the meds I need.

GR

 

[gr865]

Thanks VP,

I have 5 Critical Kush fem, but unsure that's what I want to do. Need to see how this one turns out, not sure what I did wrong but coco is not supposed to be this hard. LOL It could have been the Exodus Cheese from my last grow, that shit still fucks me up big time daily and I have smoked about 5 zips since April, mainly in one hitters and my pipe. Do like the occasional joint though.

Looking for high THC Indica for my meds. Am thinking that if they are short then possibly do a sort of a stacked grow, coliseum?, don't know yet. Other ideas would involve upgrading lighting, and I just cannot afford that.

I will keep on trucking as I do love my hobby and I get the meds I need.

GR

Few pics from today, could not get full plants, took them in the tent.

Should I be removing fans blocking bud sites?

 

[gr865]

Pic's taken this morning, did some tucking, minor fan removal and chopped the top off of BC1. Also some rez work, added a gallon on new mix, before 662 ppm and 5.96 pH, after 657 and 5.79 pH.
Going to change bottom rez from a 7 gallon to a 13 gallon, want to be able to go out of town for about 4 to 5 days.

As I said I chopped the top off BC1, did not see her recovering at all, maybe the lower have will do better. Checked plants and the pistils are all burned looking very little new pistils activity.
Today's group shot

CK1

BC2

BC3

CK2

BC1 before

BC1 after

Bud shot

Later,

GR

 

[gr865]

New lower rez, 13.2 gallons, upper rez, 10 gallons, total nutrient solution used between the two rez's is 20 gallons

Using RO water and Canna coco nutes, I added Cal/mag low rate. Per gallon:

2 ppm - starting ppm of RO water
5.05 - Starting pH of RO water

3.5 ml Cal/Mag
6.5 ml Canna coco A
7.0 ml Canna coco B
7.5 ml Liquid KoolBloom, this one week only.
8 ml Cannazym
1.5 ml SM90
0.4 ml Drip Clean

Total rez - 20 gallon, includes low and upper rez.

PPM - 684
pH - 5.9 adjusted to 5.82

Finely got a response from Canna after I had made my solution. They said to add enough tap water to the RO to get 120 ppm, then build on that. With my next mix on Wed I will begin using that number and method for my future mixes. One question I have is if I start with that number (120 ppm) do a adjust my overall mix to include the starting number or use it in my final calculation. ex. if my target number in 650 would my nute solution be 650 + 120 = 870 nutes and starting water or 650 - 120 = 530 ppm of nutes. Thinking it would be the latter.

GR

I want to get this dialed in before my next grow, going to finish this one even though I am not expecting much of anything from it.

 

[gr865]

Day 44 of 12/12

Ok, got everything cleaned up, fan leaves tucked, and plucked a few dead or dying ones.
Well, found out how deep the water gets in my tent and it's not as bad as expected. Had only one over flow the trays they sit in.

Over all appearance is not that good, buds are thickening but they missed a lot of growth during the couple of weeks that we had the problems with "The Claw"!

Going to get something out of this harvest, just not sure what. Breeder's says 50 to 60 days on the Critical Kush and 8 to 10 weeks on the Blue Cheese, but I may add a week or so to each strain, and that will depend on the trichs, going for mostly cloudy, very few amber. But my harvest tops first, lower the light and catch the lower half another week or so.

Still trying to determine the cause of my problems. There is one thing I had not thought of that my bud in NM ask me about. He ask me if the rain water I was using came off a composite shingled roof. He said there are chems released that can harm your plants, said he used rain water off his roof on his house plants and garden and he kept having plants die on him. Then he had to have his roof redone and went with a metal roof, after the first batch of rain water came off the roof he noticed an improvement and now he uses it on his cannabis plants.
My rain water does have an off color, although it test at 2 to 5 ppm and 5.3 to 5.4 pH, I am wondering if it could be chem from the roof. Anyway, that shit behind, I have already gone with the recommendation from Canna, to use enough of my 750 +/- ppm tap water to adjust a gallon of RO to 120 ppm then add my Canna nutes. It takes 3 cups of tap to adjust a gallon of 2 ppm RO to 120 ppm. No more rain water off the roof till I redo my shop to a new metal roof.

Few pics

This is BC1, man did she take a beating, but going to let her go as those poor deformed buds or thickening up.

BC1

As I said, not to attractive but we got at least two to four weeks to go.

GR

 

[gr865]

Day 48 12 / 12

Things are going along and the bugs are getting fatter, which is a good thing.
Good one bud get too close to the light got some burn. I will not be removing the plants from the tent until I return from my next trip. Leaving on Thursday and returning next Wednesday. The Blumats are workng good at present so don't want to mess with them. Got about 6 sec between drips at the end of the light cycle and about 10 sec between drips at the start of the light cycle.
I have been maintaining the reservoir around 875 PPM & pH of 5. 87, pH has been creeping up or down not major. I have been using the Canna nute regime, without their additives , the only addition being KoolBloom dry at 1 gram per gallon, started last Thursday and will run for the next 10 days or so.
Overall appearance of the plant still sucks but they are building buds so that is a good thing. Going to remove the dead/damaged leaves and some fans that are blocking light..

Do have a worry, RH is running 67 to 74%. Have read both pro's and con's on humidity but would rather hear you guys thoughts.

GR

 

[gr865]

Day 57 12/12
Looks like 7 to 14 days, strain dependent.

Just returned from a 6 day trip and the plants did well, no run aways, no buds in the lamp, only thing was my lower rez ran out of liquid but the upper rez still had two to three more days in it. I think I found the answer to my drifting pH, I removed the air stones from the upper rez and the pH dropped only about 1.5 points, starting pH last Thursday was 6.1 and upon return it was 5.94. Last trip the pH started at 6.2 and went to 5.4 in the 6 days I was gone. No more air stones.

Plants are doing ok considering all the shit I put them through. It looks like I will be harvesting in a week or two. Trichs are mostly clear, only funky on the BC1 that went bonkers on me during the grow, it has clear trichs on the lower part of the plant while the upper looks extremely weird. They are totally foxtailing!

Just in auto mode for the next week or so, not much I can do from here on out but sharpen my manicure scissors.
They are what they are!

GR

 

[Billyjack]

How is the RH? I stick around 50% in both phases of growth but that is me

 

[gr865]

How is the RH? I stick around 50% in both phases of growth but that is me

I have my rez in the tent so my RH runs 65 to 72% and hell I live in what most would consider a swamp here in this part of my state. I have never had any issues with RH running around 70%, I am sure they would be better at a lower RH but don't want to to the de-thing, tried it was a fucking mess, LOL

Not sure I am completely positive of what went wrong, but I have my ideas on this, too stoned to get into it now,

GR

 

[UserNameD]

Hello fellow grower. I see you're affected by The Claw!
The claw is not related to HR.

Your plants shows signs of nutes burns (tips of leaves burned). You might be root bound. Air pockets in the soil? Accumulation of salts in the grow medium. Excess fertilization. (The Claw)

Flush, then lower the nutes (not under EC 1.3) untill they get better. also, check the back of your pots to look at the roots color. White is good. Yellow spongy slimy is very bad. And finally, double check your dosages between nutes. Also, be carefull about the order in which you add then mix your fertilizers.

Hope they get better!

 

[gr865]

Hello fellow grower. I see you're affected by The Claw!
The claw is not related to HR.

Your plants shows signs of nutes burns (tips of leaves burned). You might be root bound. Air pockets in the soil? Accumulation of salts in the grow medium. Excess fertilization. (The Claw)

Flush, then lower the nutes (not under EC 1.3) untill they get better. also, check the back of your pots to look at the roots color. White is good. Yellow spongy slimy is very bad. And finally, double check your dosages between nutes. Also, be carefull about the order in which you add then mix your fertilizers.

Hope they get better!

Thanks for the info, and yes they do show signs of nute burn. Strange thing is I am growing in coco, smart pots, I was using GH Micro and Bloom, but switched to Canna nutes after this problem rared it's ugly head, LOL My rez reading never exceeded 750 ppm and my target numbers were 600.
I did a big time flush when I switched nute program, it took a bit but they have come thru, was not so sure if they would even make it just a few weeks ago. Figure I will be hit with a percentage loss in buds overall, not sure how much as they have really added bulk in the past week plus. But hey I am not making a living growing cannabis, it's just my own med's, I will just have to do a winter grow and hope I get my numbers there.

Thanks again,

GR

 

[gr865]

Day 63 12/12

Harvested Blue Cheese 1, the mutant!

I cut the upper third of the plant a couple of weeks ago and it went into the compost pile.

What a plant, the upper 2/3rds that was effected by whatever the fuck happened, and the lower third was effected but not all that much compared to the upper.

The middle of the plant was damn easy to trim, the lower a little more work involved.
BC#1
Full 2/3 rds of the plant, don't it make your heart hurt a bit seeing the poor baby.

The middle third of the plant, the mutant as it has been termed.

The lower third of the plant, this portion of the plant was not as effected and the upper portion, and this part of the plant was established when the top of the plant began it's problem. It is like the plant was effected at the third week of 12/12 and the lower portion (older growth) was hardly effected.

The Root ball, I do not think that the roots were the problem I was only able to wash off about a cup of coco from this root mass.

After trim wet weight, 300 g's. Not sure what the will equate to in dry weight, I have read you get about 20 t0 30% dry weight to wet weight. Don't really make no difference, it is what it is. Just hope as a mutant plant it gives me mutant high like good ol' Sgt. Stedanko, I want a little lizard in me,

GR

 

[UserNameD]

Hi Gr865!
Well well! In in the it doesn't look so bad! I had a claw issue sometimes ago. The affected plants produced close to nothing. Nothing close to the grappes you got! Hope their taste is good.

About the difference between the top and the lower part of the plants, I had something quite similar. The lower branches did close to ok while the top was fucked up.

Looking forward to your next grow! Don't forget the smoke report on that blue cheese !!

 

[gr865]

Day 70 of 12/12 Harvest day!

I harvested BC1 last week, my mutant plant, it went into a jar today, 30 g's, and I don't think it's going to be that good either.

So today I harvested the other four ladies, BC2 & 3 and CK1 & 2. Did more trimming than I normally do for the 1st hang, also hung them as full plant instead of stems or nuggets. First time doing that also.
BC2 before and after

Wanted to show the back of the screen on BC2

BC3 before and after

Took a break and smoked a bowl of Headband, forgot to take a before pic of CK1 so here is after

This is a pic of CK1 in the midde of the purne

CK2 before and after

Really like this shot CK2

Group shot in the tent to dry!

There are a few more pics of harvest in my gallery.

GR

 

[BedroomFarmer]

Nice harvest!

 

[gr865]

Weight report 9.75 zips, in jars and curing.

Not as bad as I thought but not as good as I expected.

Will do better next grow!

GR