Well I am coming out of guerilla mode: Virginia finally legalizes marijuana

[Tokin Roll]

I double checked it, and it is so.

Can I tell you what to search without getting into trouble?

 

[Emilya Green]

I double checked it, and it is so.

Can I tell you what to search without getting into trouble?

The laws are on the books to allow authorities to go after stupid people who do stupid things. It was explained to me like this. There are certain questions that you just should not ask. Everyone breaks laws once in a while. Consider the act of going to a bar or restaurant and having a few drinks. You are not drunk, and you drive home, totally safely. Call a cop when you get home and have him/her come over to answer a few questions and ask them if you broke the law by driving home impaired. Guess who just confessed to a crime?

I have had my conceal carry for years and have many friends in the local PD and FD, and many of them know me when I show up on the range to practice. They know the nuances of the law too, and no one is ever going to quiz me when I get to the range as to whether I smoked any marijuana before I came, provided they don't smell it on me... but even that has now been ruled as not being probable cause. Don't ask, don't tell... it applies in lots of things.

As long as I don't shoot someone partying at my house, don't lie on the ATF form (breaking the law) and don't do something stupid while under the influence like brandishing my weapon at someone, I am a free American, presumed innocent until proven otherwise.

 

[423]

Maybee soon employment won't just be for the alcaholics.
Im still a little concerned about June 1st being some sorta trick,....ta-da busted $1500 dollar fines, lost licenses, and seizures... I know just paranoid. But its not paranoid when they are trieng to get you. I'm pretty excited about being a legal citizen and not an enemy of the state,scourge on society.
I might be Mayor now. Campaign doobies.

 

[kayakiit]

Maybee soon employment won't just be for the alcaholics.
Im still a little concerned about June 1st being some sorta trick,....ta-da busted $1500 dollar fines, lost licenses, and seizures... I know just paranoid. But its not paranoid when they are trieng to get you. I'm pretty excited about being a legal citizen and not an enemy of the state,scourge on society.
I might be Mayor now. Campaign doobies.

Same here, & you've got my vote for mayor lmao

 

[bobrown14]

On the FED level its a felony to have guns and weed in the same home. You hadda answer a question if you use cannabis. You answer yes you dont get a firearm. You answer no and get caught with weed and the do a backround check and your gun comes up = felony. That was 1968 gun control from then republican "I'm not a crook oh wait yes I am" Nixon.

Controlled Substances Act - 1970 - cannabis "temporarily" placed as schedule 1 drug
"War on Drugs" - Nixon 1971 ending the hippie era
ATF - 1972 - Nixon a Republican
DEA - 1973 - Nixon a Republican



I could probably go on since Ray-gun didn't do much to help our cause either.

"Just say nooooooowwww" -

Cannabis just needs to be removed as a schedule 1 drug then all this bs goes away. Then its up to the states to tell people how, when and where they can grow, carry & own firearms.

For Republicans that seem to be for small central government they sure did a crap-load of bad with regard to firearms and weed and our government still arresting people for cannabis and firearms.

"According to the recently released Uniform Crime Report from the FBI, more people were arrested for cannabis in 2019 than for all violent crimes put together."

2019... Republican run federal government
2015...pretty much the same numbers under Democratic President

You can go back and look at the numbers most all arrests are for possession. Thats you and me with a pre-roll. This needs to change.

Perfectly ok to own a gun and have a cabinet full of alcohol as long as you paid taxes on the alcohol.

Its not a big leap, alcohol probably part of many many more violent crimes than cannabis.

Pretty sure after taking a puff I'm not feeling like target practice. lol You could shoot your eye out.

 

[Emilya Green]

The Missouri legislature has passed a bill protecting the gun rights of legal marijuana patients​

An overlooked part of Missouri law has finally clarified gun rights for Missourians who use medical marijuana legally in the state.

On May 14, 2021, the Missouri state legislature Truly Agreed and Finally Passed the combined language of HOUSE BILL NOS. 85 & 310, the Second Amendment Protection Act. On May 25 the bill was signed by House Speaker Rob Vescovo, R-Arnold, and President Pro Tem Dave Schatz, R-Sullivan, and was delivered to Gov. Parson to await his signature.
Originally introduced by state Rep. Jered Taylor, R-Republic, and co-sponsored by 76 other Republican state representatives, the legislation is designed to protect the rights of “law-abiding” Missourians to keep and bear arms. It is worth noting that Taylor is also chairman of the House Oversight Committee.
The legislation restricts Missouri’s public officers, employees, and agencies from enforcing or attempting to enforce any federal regulation that would infringe on a Missourian’s constitutional right to keep and bear arms.
View the Second Amendment Protection Act in full below.

Medical Marijuana Patients
For Missourians who participate in the state’s constitutionally protected medical marijuana program, key language of the law could offer clarification of protections that Missourians have long-awaited, and with those protections come predefined consequences for infringements against those rights.
One of those key pieces of language is in the definition of the term “law-abiding,” as section 1.480.1 reads, “‘law-abiding citizen’ shall mean a person who is not otherwise precluded under state law from possessing a firearm.”
For many Missourians, the uncertainty to this point surrounding the legality of owning, using, and carrying their firearm while possessing medical marijuana has been enough to dissuade them from pursuing a medical marijuana card and certification despite having a qualifying condition.

“Under this new law, all Missouri law enforcement officers are prevented from enforcing federal laws that restrict gun rights beyond what Missouri law does,” Dan Viets, chairman of the Amendment 2 campaign resulting in Article XIV and one of the amendment’s authors, said, “But, no one in any medical state has lost his or her guns because of medical marijuana use, and it is highly unlikely that any Missouri medical patient was going to lose his or her guns. If that fear has kept anyone from becoming a legal medical marijuana patient under Article XIV, I hope this new law will reassure them.”

Key Language
The bill itself goes above and beyond any existing Missouri regulation protecting the Second Amendment rights of Missouri residents with language that specifically outlines federal regulations as infringements with three key sections detailed below:
“1.420. The following federal acts, laws, executive orders, administrative orders, rules, and regulations shall be considered infringements on the people’s right to keep and bear arms, as guaranteed by Amendment II of the Constitution of the United States and Article I, Section 23 of the Constitution of Missouri, within the borders of this state 5 including, but not limited to: …
(4) Any act forbidding the possession, ownership, use, or transfer of a firearm, firearm accessory, or ammunition by law-abiding citizens; and“

“1.430. All federal acts, laws, executive orders, administrative orders, rules, and regulations, regardless of whether they were enacted before or after the provisions of sections 1.410 to 1.485, that infringe on the people’s right to keep and bear arms as guaranteed by the Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States and Article I, Section 23 of the Constitution of Missouri shall be invalid to this state, shall not be recognized by this state, shall be specifically rejected by this state, and shall not be enforced by this state.“
“1.450. No entity or person, including any public officer or employee of this state or any political subdivision of this state, shall have the authority to enforce or attempt to enforce any federal acts, laws, executive orders, administrative orders, rules, regulations, statutes, or ordinances infringing on the right to keep and bear arms as described under section 1.420. Nothing in sections 1.410 to 1.480 shall be construed to prohibit Missouri officials from accepting aid from federal officials in an effort to enforce Missouri laws.“

The scope of protection
“From the language I cosponsored and we as a legislative body passed, the Second Amendment Preservation Act absolutely protects the 2nd Amendment rights of medical marijuana cardholders,” state Rep. Nick Schroer, R-O’Fallon, told Greenway Magazine. “While our judicial system has yet to provide guidance, I am hopeful they uphold the protections within the legislation shielding the rights of those legally prescribed medical marijuana. If the courts erase said protections, you can guarantee I will be filing legislation, just as I have for the past several years, to provide further insulation for Missourians to have their tools of protection and healthcare needs.”
Schroer, also a lawyer, pointed out that the judicial system should not be overlooked within context. Many of the attorneys Greenway spoke with pointed out that, as with any law, legal interpretation is somewhat open until a precedent is established.
With the Second Amendment Protection Act, however, that precedent may not ever be set in Missouri. Greenway spoke to Joshua Schrimpf about the Second Amendment Protection Act. Schrimpf, a partner at S & S Legal in Jefferson City, has considerable experience with drug policy reform, ranging from state-level representation of businesses in the medical marijuana industry to advocacy and presentation of human rights-based research on the effects of drug policy at the international level to organizations including the United Nations.

“One of the most important aspects of this new law is the inclusion of robust enforcement provisions, such as the $50,000 civil penalty and the provision for recovery of attorney’s fees where political subdivisions or law enforcement agencies employ a law enforcement officer who violates the provisions of the new law,” Schrimpf said. “The law goes even further in its reach by granting standing to enforce the provisions to any injured party and extends the $50,000 civil penalty to instances where political subdivisions or law enforcement agencies merely hire individuals who have previously enforced or attempted to enforce any of the infringements identified in the section of the law identifying the forbidden conduct.”
The bill language Schrimpf references is contained in section 1.460.1. and details the penalty for each occurrence in which a law enforcement officer acts knowingly, or otherwise knowingly, “deprives a citizen of Missouri of the rights or privileges ensured by Amendment II of the Constitution of the United States or Article I, Section 23 of the Constitution of Missouri while acting under the color of any state or federal law…”
“These provisions effectively state to all law enforcement agencies and political subdivisions, that to be a law enforcement officer, you must not violate the fundamental principles that undergird the legitimacy of Missouri law in relation to the Second Amendment Preservation Act itself,” Schrimpf explained. “Those who choose to flout the legislature on this issue will become effectively unemployable as Missouri law enforcement officers. It is impossible to overstate the importance of these provisions in the bill, as they provide powerful legal tools that nearly ensure the enforcement of the policy.”
Schrimpf concluded: “The passage of this legislation is certainly a win for freedom in Missouri in relation to gun rights. Yet, the implications for freedom extend well beyond those related to gun rights specifically and are pointedly implicated in relation to the rights of Missourians legally using marijuana. This new legislation offers direct protection to all ‘law-abiding citizens’ who are not otherwise precluded under state law from possessing a firearm. Given that medical marijuana is now constitutionally protected in Missouri, the bill affords a strong measure of assurance to those who have worried that Missouri officials might license them to use marijuana medically, only to turn around and use that licensure to terminate their right to bear arms using federal law as the justification. While the bill does carve out some exceptions which allow for Missouri officials to provide material aid for the federal prosecution of certain weapons offenses where those offenses are ancillary to a federal drug prosecution, those exceptions are limited to serious federal felony drug offenses which are substantially similar to those contained in 579 RSMo. Medical marijuana use is effectively excluded from this exception, and therefore the gun rights of medical marijuana patients would seem to be protected under the bill, as the rights of Missourians to legally access medical marijuana are guaranteed under the Missouri Constitution, and constitutionally authorized use of medical marijuana is beyond the purview of the criminal code under 579 RSMo.”
Per the bill, the provisions of sections 1.410 to 1.485 are applicable to offenses occurring on or after August 28, 2021, the bill currently awaits the signature of Gov. Mike Parson – if the bill is not signed or vetoed by that date, it will become law. It is presumed by political leaders that the Governor will sign the legislation into law.

 

[Mdlroad]

After 45 + years hiding everything I did I can finally come out of the dark world. Virginia has finally legalized marijuana. Not since 1976 have I ever been so excited for the first week of July!! I remember that time as a time of freedom. 17 years old with a 72 mustang and a big party atmosphere everywhere! Well full freedom has come back around with Virginia finally making it legal to possess and grow marijuana. Oh the strange things we think about while sitting in the garage in our sixties.

Yep I'm in AZ. The morning after the election I asked did AZ pass recreational marijuana. The answer was yes. I said "Yahoo now I don't give a damn who's president". Then I immediately started researching how to grow and here I am sitting on the patio token on a bowl of my own. Legalization is moving forward like a tidal wave. It works like this if a neighboring state legalizes pot, people will cross the border and that $$ goes out of state so to help there own budget they legalize. It's all about tax revenue now just a matter of time it'll be legal in all 50

 

[Mdlroad]

On the FED level its a felony to have guns and weed in the same home. You hadda answer a question if you use cannabis. You answer yes you dont get a firearm. You answer no and get caught with weed and the do a backround check and your gun comes up = felony. That was 1968 gun control from then republican "I'm not a crook oh wait yes I am" Nixon.

Controlled Substances Act - 1970 - cannabis "temporarily" placed as schedule 1 drug
"War on Drugs" - Nixon 1971 ending the hippie era
ATF - 1972 - Nixon a Republican
DEA - 1973 - Nixon a Republican



I could probably go on since Ray-gun didn't do much to help our cause either.

"Just say nooooooowwww" -

Cannabis just needs to be removed as a schedule 1 drug then all this bs goes away. Then its up to the states to tell people how, when and where they can grow, carry & own firearms.

For Republicans that seem to be for small central government they sure did a crap-load of bad with regard to firearms and weed and our government still arresting people for cannabis and firearms.

"According to the recently released Uniform Crime Report from the FBI, more people were arrested for cannabis in 2019 than for all violent crimes put together."

2019... Republican run federal government
2015...pretty much the same numbers under Democratic President

You can go back and look at the numbers most all arrests are for possession. Thats you and me with a pre-roll. This needs to change.

Perfectly ok to own a gun and have a cabinet full of alcohol as long as you paid taxes on the alcohol.

Its not a big leap, alcohol probably part of many many more violent crimes than cannabis.

Pretty sure after taking a puff I'm not feeling like target practice. lol You could shoot your eye out.

5 drunks start a fight. 5 stoners form a band. Stoned much less violent

 

[Emilya Green]

The Missouri legislature has passed a bill protecting the gun rights of legal marijuana patients​

An overlooked part of Missouri law has finally clarified gun rights for Missourians who use medical marijuana legally in the state.

On May 14, 2021, the Missouri state legislature Truly Agreed and Finally Passed the combined language of HOUSE BILL NOS. 85 & 310, the Second Amendment Protection Act. On May 25 the bill was signed by House Speaker Rob Vescovo, R-Arnold, and President Pro Tem Dave Schatz, R-Sullivan, and was delivered to Gov. Parson to await his signature.
Originally introduced by state Rep. Jered Taylor, R-Republic, and co-sponsored by 76 other Republican state representatives, the legislation is designed to protect the rights of “law-abiding” Missourians to keep and bear arms. It is worth noting that Taylor is also chairman of the House Oversight Committee.
The legislation restricts Missouri’s public officers, employees, and agencies from enforcing or attempting to enforce any federal regulation that would infringe on a Missourian’s constitutional right to keep and bear arms.
View the Second Amendment Protection Act in full below.

Medical Marijuana Patients
For Missourians who participate in the state’s constitutionally protected medical marijuana program, key language of the law could offer clarification of protections that Missourians have long-awaited, and with those protections come predefined consequences for infringements against those rights.
One of those key pieces of language is in the definition of the term “law-abiding,” as section 1.480.1 reads, “‘law-abiding citizen’ shall mean a person who is not otherwise precluded under state law from possessing a firearm.”
For many Missourians, the uncertainty to this point surrounding the legality of owning, using, and carrying their firearm while possessing medical marijuana has been enough to dissuade them from pursuing a medical marijuana card and certification despite having a qualifying condition.

“Under this new law, all Missouri law enforcement officers are prevented from enforcing federal laws that restrict gun rights beyond what Missouri law does,” Dan Viets, chairman of the Amendment 2 campaign resulting in Article XIV and one of the amendment’s authors, said, “But, no one in any medical state has lost his or her guns because of medical marijuana use, and it is highly unlikely that any Missouri medical patient was going to lose his or her guns. If that fear has kept anyone from becoming a legal medical marijuana patient under Article XIV, I hope this new law will reassure them.”

Key Language
The bill itself goes above and beyond any existing Missouri regulation protecting the Second Amendment rights of Missouri residents with language that specifically outlines federal regulations as infringements with three key sections detailed below:
“1.420. The following federal acts, laws, executive orders, administrative orders, rules, and regulations shall be considered infringements on the people’s right to keep and bear arms, as guaranteed by Amendment II of the Constitution of the United States and Article I, Section 23 of the Constitution of Missouri, within the borders of this state 5 including, but not limited to: …
(4) Any act forbidding the possession, ownership, use, or transfer of a firearm, firearm accessory, or ammunition by law-abiding citizens; and“

“1.430. All federal acts, laws, executive orders, administrative orders, rules, and regulations, regardless of whether they were enacted before or after the provisions of sections 1.410 to 1.485, that infringe on the people’s right to keep and bear arms as guaranteed by the Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States and Article I, Section 23 of the Constitution of Missouri shall be invalid to this state, shall not be recognized by this state, shall be specifically rejected by this state, and shall not be enforced by this state.“
“1.450. No entity or person, including any public officer or employee of this state or any political subdivision of this state, shall have the authority to enforce or attempt to enforce any federal acts, laws, executive orders, administrative orders, rules, regulations, statutes, or ordinances infringing on the right to keep and bear arms as described under section 1.420. Nothing in sections 1.410 to 1.480 shall be construed to prohibit Missouri officials from accepting aid from federal officials in an effort to enforce Missouri laws.“

The scope of protection
“From the language I cosponsored and we as a legislative body passed, the Second Amendment Preservation Act absolutely protects the 2nd Amendment rights of medical marijuana cardholders,” state Rep. Nick Schroer, R-O’Fallon, told Greenway Magazine. “While our judicial system has yet to provide guidance, I am hopeful they uphold the protections within the legislation shielding the rights of those legally prescribed medical marijuana. If the courts erase said protections, you can guarantee I will be filing legislation, just as I have for the past several years, to provide further insulation for Missourians to have their tools of protection and healthcare needs.”
Schroer, also a lawyer, pointed out that the judicial system should not be overlooked within context. Many of the attorneys Greenway spoke with pointed out that, as with any law, legal interpretation is somewhat open until a precedent is established.
With the Second Amendment Protection Act, however, that precedent may not ever be set in Missouri. Greenway spoke to Joshua Schrimpf about the Second Amendment Protection Act. Schrimpf, a partner at S & S Legal in Jefferson City, has considerable experience with drug policy reform, ranging from state-level representation of businesses in the medical marijuana industry to advocacy and presentation of human rights-based research on the effects of drug policy at the international level to organizations including the United Nations.

“One of the most important aspects of this new law is the inclusion of robust enforcement provisions, such as the $50,000 civil penalty and the provision for recovery of attorney’s fees where political subdivisions or law enforcement agencies employ a law enforcement officer who violates the provisions of the new law,” Schrimpf said. “The law goes even further in its reach by granting standing to enforce the provisions to any injured party and extends the $50,000 civil penalty to instances where political subdivisions or law enforcement agencies merely hire individuals who have previously enforced or attempted to enforce any of the infringements identified in the section of the law identifying the forbidden conduct.”
The bill language Schrimpf references is contained in section 1.460.1. and details the penalty for each occurrence in which a law enforcement officer acts knowingly, or otherwise knowingly, “deprives a citizen of Missouri of the rights or privileges ensured by Amendment II of the Constitution of the United States or Article I, Section 23 of the Constitution of Missouri while acting under the color of any state or federal law…”
“These provisions effectively state to all law enforcement agencies and political subdivisions, that to be a law enforcement officer, you must not violate the fundamental principles that undergird the legitimacy of Missouri law in relation to the Second Amendment Preservation Act itself,” Schrimpf explained. “Those who choose to flout the legislature on this issue will become effectively unemployable as Missouri law enforcement officers. It is impossible to overstate the importance of these provisions in the bill, as they provide powerful legal tools that nearly ensure the enforcement of the policy.”
Schrimpf concluded: “The passage of this legislation is certainly a win for freedom in Missouri in relation to gun rights. Yet, the implications for freedom extend well beyond those related to gun rights specifically and are pointedly implicated in relation to the rights of Missourians legally using marijuana. This new legislation offers direct protection to all ‘law-abiding citizens’ who are not otherwise precluded under state law from possessing a firearm. Given that medical marijuana is now constitutionally protected in Missouri, the bill affords a strong measure of assurance to those who have worried that Missouri officials might license them to use marijuana medically, only to turn around and use that licensure to terminate their right to bear arms using federal law as the justification. While the bill does carve out some exceptions which allow for Missouri officials to provide material aid for the federal prosecution of certain weapons offenses where those offenses are ancillary to a federal drug prosecution, those exceptions are limited to serious federal felony drug offenses which are substantially similar to those contained in 579 RSMo. Medical marijuana use is effectively excluded from this exception, and therefore the gun rights of medical marijuana patients would seem to be protected under the bill, as the rights of Missourians to legally access medical marijuana are guaranteed under the Missouri Constitution, and constitutionally authorized use of medical marijuana is beyond the purview of the criminal code under 579 RSMo.”
Per the bill, the provisions of sections 1.410 to 1.485 are applicable to offenses occurring on or after August 28, 2021, the bill currently awaits the signature of Gov. Mike Parson – if the bill is not signed or vetoed by that date, it will become law. It is presumed by political leaders that the Governor will sign the legislation into law.

Gov. Parsons of Missouri just signed this bill into law, 4pm, Saturday June 12.

 

[Websissy]

My teenage kids never knew I used cannabis. I’ve been getting high since 1978. I got my medical card in 2016 and have been growing starting this year when Arizona made it legal for recreational and urban medical card growers to grow up to 6 plants per adult over 21 in the household (max of 12 plants). Came out of the closet with my kids when the grow tents and equipment were set up Feels good to be able to grow as I’ve only ever bought my cannabis. None of my friends that I know in my area even grow!

 

[smoke99]

this is my personal opinion and should be taken as such, I am not offering legal,moral or ethical advice tread lightly and you should most likely NOT do what I do having said that

where I live, medical is legal
growing is not
conceal carry is legal
both conceal and medical are licensed by the same government agency
they know what card or cards you are carrying in your wallet, no its not capital one
here, they will issue you both
as stated above, don't ask, don't tell
this has often been the defacto status of gray area law enforcement over the ages
don't bring it up, don't make it an issue and its not
get in front of a camera and make stupid videos for youtube etc, well what would you expect to happen?

legal in your state does not change much for you as a grower until your state actually spells out in a statute that you may have in your control a defined number of plants, or form a co-op for registered users, and their plants and a maximum amount of weed or plants in the dirt as it were. California did this years ago, probably the only thing I like about kali is that its weed "friendly" sort of, because when it comes down to it, when they wanna bust you they will. even in California, weed is legal, get caught with it, is it in the LEGAL packaging from the dispensary where you paid the government for the right to have it? They want that tax revenue. Same where I live, sure you can have weed on you, IN THE DISPENSARY PACKAGING with a label with YOUR NAME ON IT. In the car? better be in the trunk, or you will be cited for DUI and open container because you COULD reach it.

The best explanation I have ever seen why weed is Schedule 1 or illegal at all, was money.
Hemp is one of the best products to use to make rope,cloth, or even plywood. Ever hear of a company called Georgia Pacific? wanna know what they didn't wanna compete against? paper, and plywood are their bread and butter, both come from tree's they harvest for pennies off public leased lands that they pay PENNIES for because they paid the right people a long time ago and keep paying them. Its pretty simple, keep weed and hemp off the market, make money selling stuff they take off public lands. Its all about money. Oil companies already don't want to compete with corn oil plastic products, imagine how hard they are lobbying to keep hemp oil out of production. its a threat to their profits and believe they will protect that bottom line.

just based on the simple fact that HEMP and Weed both create more O2 and use up more CO2 than a tree will ever do, means it should be a climate change activists wet dream, plant more of this! But where is the profit in that? until they can legislate a profit into weed, it will stay federally illegal because they have a lock on the wallets of the government.

 

[gwhunran]

The federal form you fill out when purchasing a firearm ask a drug related question that if answered yes disqualifies you from buying the firearm, so technically if you are consuming you just lied on the form and that's how they get you on the guns. Unless you are big time it will work like the seatbelt law, if the law comes to your house on business the pot/gun thing comes into play. They always charge for everything possible.
The gun grabbers lack of understanding beyond myth and talking points is the most insidious form ignorance. Natural law, protecting life and property is basic to free society.