wildbill38
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Looks like they got you straighting out.
I hope the plants are looking better.
I hope the plants are looking better.
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Actually, Root Riot cubes/plugs are fantastic for hydro in my opinion. Hozona, I suspect something else was the cause of your brown muck - I've never had any problems (quite the opposite!) with Root Riot plugs (Rapid Rooters - I've used both and other knock-offs too). Personally, I think they are the best thing since sliced bread. I germinate all of my seeds, and clone all of my cuttings with them, and often get roots in as quick as 6 days with cuttings. They maintain a nice moisture/air ratio and are packed with micro-nutrients that give them a nice start. Though, it's cheaper to buy them in smaller packs than the Propagation kits. They work well for both hydro and soil. I was always going to build an aero cloner, but these simple plugs were so effective that I couldn't see a reason to stop using them. In a larger scale grow, the aero cloners shine, and I'm sure they work great when dialed in.
Mycorrhizae is another way to go as far as root zone help, and may indeed have some efficacy in conjunction with Zone. I experimented the last round with using both together, and I think it helped some. But, mycorrhizae gets tricky in hydro a bit. I did have some extra muck and a lot of particulate when used as indicated on label as a reservoir additive, so I found a creative way to apply it between reservoir changes.
My advice would be to keep it simple for right now, and start with Zone as it will get you quicker improvement. It can do the job on it's own, and you'll be out less $. If you want to try mycos later on instead of, or in addition to, Zone - go for it, but Zone will help get your problem sorted out faster I think... In soil or coco coir, mycorrhizae is a no brainer - it's great stuff. In my journal, maybe 5 pages back or so, is a post explaining how I applied mycorrhizae when I used it this past round in the Flo N Grow.
Looks like they got you straighting out.
I hope the plants are looking better.
Why I sent this your direction X...you have used what he needed to know about...and I was adding it as directed in my Aero/NFT I just took down...Thanks for being out there and accessable to us all my friend!Actually, Root Riot cubes/plugs are fantastic for hydro in my opinion. Hozona, I suspect something else was the cause of your brown muck - I've never had any problems (quite the opposite!) with Root Riot plugs (Rapid Rooters - I've used both and other knock-offs too). Personally, I think they are the best thing since sliced bread.
But, mycorrhizae gets tricky in hydro a bit. I did have some extra muck and a lot of particulate when used as indicated on label as a reservoir additive, so I found a creative way to apply it between reservoir changes.
My advice would be to keep it simple for right now, and start with Zone as it will get you quicker improvement.Zone will help get your problem sorted out faster I think... In soil or coco coir, mycorrhizae is a no brainer - it's great stuff. In my journal, maybe 5 pages back or so, is a post explaining how I applied mycorrhizae when I used it this past round in the Flo N Grow.
Just calls my local hydro shop and they currently don't have any DM Zone in stock - would Microbial work as a substitute ?
Thanks for the input ! will definitely be incorporating it as soon as i get a hold of it !No. They are not the same thing. I will go ahead and add my endorsement of DM Zone. I've started using it, and my res, roots, and plants all look great!
The plants look much healthier than before
Keep after it, hydro is day to day until you get It "tuned in"...then it should be smooth sailing...operative word "should"
Since you appear to have great root growth started, I would take the net to the sink...don't worry about PH, they aren't gonna be in it long, andturn the tap on full and rinse from the top down...you can replace the hygroton that flies out after you are through..then the sides working down...since you have been flushing your res, I think replacing them in their holes should do the trick...and DM Zone if you have gooten some yet. Keep on keepin on...YOU WILL SUCCEED!Thanks for the feedback - does that include the roots though ? They look terrible to my eyes at the moment ^^ =/
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At the peristence of a grower friend - playing them some Bob Marley tunes to cheer them up haha ^^
Since you appear to have great root growth started, I would take the net to the sink...don't worry about PH, they aren't gonna be in it long, andturn the tap on full and rinse from the top down...you can replace the hygroton that flies out after you are through..then the sides working down...since you have been flushing your res, I think replacing them in their holes should do the trick...and DM Zone if you have gooten some yet. Keep on keepin on...YOU WILL SUCCEED!
Shouldn't hurt...but flush with water immediately!!! Like I said at full force and you will see most if not all of the gunk gone...and again...good luck!
Friday Update:
So i managed to take the pots under sink last night. Started with a 3% peroxide risne / wash of root zone as well as quick pour over hygroton and then risned with tap at full blast all around. GOOD!
Most of the muck came off and i put plants back into system thereafter. Then applied foliar spray to revitalise leafs before lights off. Good again!
Plants are looking like they are continuing the road to recovery. Just took a second to inspect the buckets and solution doesnt look as clear as it did several days ago - not sure if this is attributable to normal operation or not but will try and replace water + nutes yet again sometime today or tomorrow! When I did the first nute change I remember thinking something along the lines of "Im glad this is only a weekly occuerence" - have now gotten used to doing it far more often lol ! That stuff is the dead stuff coming off... Do flush with just PH'd water one more time...should take care of it!
Also should note that I applied another maintenance dose of Pythoff after the rinse - could this influence slight cloudyness of reservoir water ? Never used it... so sorry
Only other thing I noticed were that some of the airstones have patches of muck/slime on them - will take them out of the system later and give them a 20 minute bath in Pythoff/water or H2O2/water mix with airhoses attached followed by a thorough rinse and further 10 min bath+air in clean water. Sounds like you are addressing problems as they occur, then when you find a solution that works, that part done! Hopefully
One thing that I'm wondering about at the moment - some of the big early fan leaves appear to be blocking light for a lot of the new growth udnerneath! The new growth looks fresh and healthy despite this - is it way too early to think about some light defoliage ? I agree with Hiker on that