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DrTentgrow
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convicted, could you give me a link to the exact soil you use? does it have NPK ratio's on the bag? and or the pH of the soil, do you have any idea what the pH of your tap water is? you may be able to find out online from your local water company, but you without a doubt need a good pH pen it is one of the most important things you will use.
When you add feed to your water it will change the pH usually lower it, get your self a digital pH pen and some calibration fluid, also you wil need some pH up and pH down solution for adjusting.
When you add feed to your water it will change the pH usually lower it, get your self a digital pH pen and some calibration fluid, also you wil need some pH up and pH down solution for adjusting.
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I hate to suggest this but if I was in the same boat as you I would start over with good instruments top quality soil, research until your eyes bleed and start a grow journal on here, you will get so much kind knowledgeable people wanting to help you! those plants look in really ill health and as a guess I would say it is due to pH being well out among other things. But don't be put off growing isn't so hard just set the ideal conditions and watch your plants thrive, your set up is good and you are well on your way to bumper crops!
I think it would take a long while to bring those plants back to health and I think you may not be using ideal soil so could be a loosing game, I know it costs but if you start over and change just a few things you would be very happy you did so and I will be happy to help you for the whole grow.
I think it would take a long while to bring those plants back to health and I think you may not be using ideal soil so could be a loosing game, I know it costs but if you start over and change just a few things you would be very happy you did so and I will be happy to help you for the whole grow.
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It depends if it's a one point calibration which will just require buffer 7 or two point calibration which will require 4 and 7 and will normally be more accurate but either will be fine for a soil grow.
Could you send me a link to pH meter or meters you are thinking of getting.
Could you send me a link to pH meter or meters you are thinking of getting.
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I have used quite a few pH pens from different price ranges so If you give me a price range I could suggest the best one for your money.
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soil is a 70/30 mix of q10 and woodland compost with added chicken pellet, and alpine grit for drainage, all of this mix say to be ph netural due to being seeding compost, i really dont want to rip them out and start again being on deadline to running out of meds which being in the middle of nowhere is hard to replace via the black market, the larger of the 5 i feel maybe to late but the young'uns can be safed the photos do the no justice as they are deep green and happyish,
i have just ordered
ph up and down
ph pen
water ppm pen
and calibration fulid 4 and 7
give me 10 days for delivery and to start using them i feel i can safe the young'uns (i hope)
i have just ordered
ph up and down
ph pen
water ppm pen
and calibration fulid 4 and 7
give me 10 days for delivery and to start using them i feel i can safe the young'uns (i hope)
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DrTentgrow
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"missus will hang me if i spend anymore on this enterprise" Haha I spent £2000+ on my first setup and needless to say the missus I had then wasn't to happy but she was when nearly 3 times that amount came back 
I normally haven't spent less than £40 on a pH meter the one I'm using at the moment is a blue labs combo meter that costs nearly £200 but that's because I'm growing hydroponically now so pH is more crucial and I need to take lots of readings, any way I'm blabbering one of those cheap one will be fine for a soil grow.
I'm guessing from your UK amazon links that's where you are so for those little plants I would very highly recommend this soil to transplant into Canna 50L Terra Professional Soil Mix Bag I know it's a little pricey but it's well worth it! it's what I used to get 21.5 ounces on my first grow.
Just a quick question are your seeds feminized?
I normally haven't spent less than £40 on a pH meter the one I'm using at the moment is a blue labs combo meter that costs nearly £200 but that's because I'm growing hydroponically now so pH is more crucial and I need to take lots of readings, any way I'm blabbering one of those cheap one will be fine for a soil grow.
I'm guessing from your UK amazon links that's where you are so for those little plants I would very highly recommend this soil to transplant into Canna 50L Terra Professional Soil Mix Bag I know it's a little pricey but it's well worth it! it's what I used to get 21.5 ounces on my first grow.
Just a quick question are your seeds feminized?
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"missus will hang me if i spend anymore on this enterprise" Haha I spent £2000+ on my first setup and needless to say the missus I had then wasn't to happy but she was when nearly 3 times that amount came back
I normally haven't spent less than £40 on a pH meter the one I'm using at the moment is a blue labs combo meter that costs nearly £200 but that's because I'm growing hydroponically now so pH is more crucial and I need to take lots of readings, any way I'm blabbering one of those cheap one will be fine for a soil grow.
I'm guessing from your UK amazon links that's where you are so for those little plants I would very highly recommend this soil to transplant into Canna 50L Terra Professional Soil Mix Bag. I know it's a little pricey but it's well worth it! it's what I used to get 21.5 ounces on my first grow.
Just a quick question are your seeds feminized?
if i was to grow commercially i would agree with u and invested but as its just for me so i dont have to give up work and go on the disability like my doc wants me to do with morphine patches for life no thanks i'll keep it cheap, i'm not after hughe amounts truth be told 6oz will last about a yr for me, so big yeilds isnt the goal just good smoke that can ease the pain would be great,
i looked at that soil £48 deliverly?? fuck that for a game of soliders would this be any better? - BioBizz All Mix 50L
yes i have feminised med pack from female seeds, cinnimon,northernlights,and haze gd reliable plants that i know give me the pain relive i need, IF i can get the lovelys to grow stress free
DrTentgrow
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First off very good of you for being keen to stay in work and medicate your self more wisely than the governments bleak uneducated views on what should and shouldn't be legally allowed to be used as perfectly good medication.
Yes BioBizz All Mix is also a very good soil, delivery charges are often a problem with soil obviously do to it weighing loads and not being a expensive product. Do you have any hydroponic shops in your reach?
I completely understand your purpose for growing but after the pH pen giving your setup is good soil is the next most important thing with good soil and measuring pH and our help on here I think your ideal amount of 6 ounces+ will be easily obtainable.
Yes BioBizz All Mix is also a very good soil, delivery charges are often a problem with soil obviously do to it weighing loads and not being a expensive product. Do you have any hydroponic shops in your reach?
I completely understand your purpose for growing but after the pH pen giving your setup is good soil is the next most important thing with good soil and measuring pH and our help on here I think your ideal amount of 6 ounces+ will be easily obtainable.
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unfortantly i live in the middle of nowhere its 45 min drive to local shops in any direction so hydro shops are not within my reach,
plan of action
i have lowered the intake to ground level,
i have ordered ph kit
i have also ordered bio soil
whats the ideal lights on and of time?? started at 16 hrs since moving the tent its 24hr at mo
evening temps will be an issue when lights of so i have a little heater on stand by,
pls apologise to you're family for me as i feel i am going to need your advice quite often
DrTentgrow
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Your plan of action is good, I would recommend 18/6 light cycle as I am a firm believer of a decent dark cycle so the plants can rest and the roots can go crazy! also cheaper than running 24 hours.
"pls apologise to you're family for me as i feel i am going to need your advice quite often" Haha that's all good I have a lot of time on my hands and I really enjoy helping people on here and if you don't mind I would like you to be my new project I have always wanted to help someone through a entire grow, I started doing it for over a month with someone else but his ex caught him and threatened to report him, poor lad!
"pls apologise to you're family for me as i feel i am going to need your advice quite often" Haha that's all good I have a lot of time on my hands and I really enjoy helping people on here and if you don't mind I would like you to be my new project
I have always wanted to help someone through a entire grow, I started doing it for over a month with someone else but his ex caught him and threatened to report him, poor lad!
DrTentgrow
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My fingers are crossed that your plants will be OK by the time your new stuff arrives, could you please have a look on your local water company's website to see if they list a average pH? mine does and also tells me whats in my water.
have you been feeding your plants? as in putting feed in your water?
have you been feeding your plants? as in putting feed in your water?
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Your plan of action is good, I would recommend 18/6 light cycle as I am a firm believer of a decent dark cycle so the plants can rest and the roots can go crazy! also cheaper than running 24 hours.
"pls apologise to you're family for me as i feel i am going to need your advice quite often" Haha that's all good I have a lot of time on my hands and I really enjoy helping people on here and if you don't mind I would like you to be my new project
feel free master yoda, i am happy i am getting good advice so quickly as alotta forums are clicky and dont like new comers
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water info all i could find
Parameters tested in the UK What it means Amount allowed (PCV)
Hydrogen ion (pH) This is the measure of the acidity or alkalinity of water. 6.5 – 10.0 pH units
Colour This is an aesthetic requirement - water should be clear and bright, but may occasionally show a slight reddish or yellowish tint caused by iron from iron mains. This is not harmful to health. A common cause of discolouration is corrosion of iron mains. Programmes of work are in place to replace corroded mains. 20 mg/l Pt/Co
Turbidity Sometimes water appears milky because of air bubbles. This is not harmful and if the water is left to stand for a few minutes it will clear from the bottom upwards. A more stringent limit is set at treatment works to ensure the process is operating effectively. 1 Formazin turbidity units (at treatment works)
4 Formazin turbidity units (at customer taps)
Dilution odour
Dilution taste
These are quality control tests to measure the level of odour and taste and are carried out by specialist testing panels. Dilution number 3 at
25 °C
Conductivity By passing an electric current through water, water companies can measure the level of mineral salts it contains. 2500 µS/cm at
20 °C
Residual Free Chlorine Chlorine is added to water to remove any bacteria and other micro-organisms present in the raw water. Some remains as residual free chlorine to maintain wholesome water as it passes through the system and to the tap. We aim to keep levels at customers taps low to minimise associated taste and odour. 2500 µS/cm at
20 °C
Coliform bacteria
Escherichia coli
Clostridium perfringens
Enterococci These are bacteria which can be found sometimes in untreated raw water. Disinfection during treatment removes them. However, they may sometimes appear in tests in small numbers, although follow-up tests usually show that the mains water is satisfactory. Their presence in samples triggers immediate investigative work.
0/100 ml
0/100 ml
0/100 ml
0/100 ml
Colony count
2 day at 37°C
Colony count
3 day at 22°C Small amounts of harmless bacteria can be present in treated water. Water companies check the numbers of these bacteria. The information obtained helps to maintain the efficiency of the water treatment process and the cleanliness of the water mains. Results compared against a long term average. Any significant difference is investigated.
Ammonium Ammonium occurs naturally in water from some sources. It does not cause health problems and where it occurs, it can be controlled or removed by treatment. 0.5 mg/l
Nitrite
Nitrate
Both these substances are found in water running over and through agricultural land. Concentrations in the raw water above the amount allowed are reduced by treatment or blending.
0.1 Mg/l at treatment works
0.5 mg/l at customers’ taps
50 mg/l
Chloride Comes from the rocks through which the water passed but also comes from the use of salt to de-ice roads or from seawater intrusion into underground sources. It is not harmful to health. 250 mg/l
Fluoride
Fluoride occurs naturally at varying levels. Some companies add fluoride at the request of local health authorities. None of the water supplied by Southern Water is artificially fluoridated. . 1.5 mg/l
Sulphate This occurs naturally in water and comes from mineral deposits. 250mg/l
Manganese
Manganese occurs naturally in water and is not harmful to health. 50 µg/l
Aluminium Aluminium occurs naturally in water and is also used to remove impurities from water in some water treatment works. Its use in water treatment is very closely controlled and continually monitored. 200 µg/l
Acrylamide
Epichlorohydrin These can arise from use of use of water treatment chemicals. Strict control is placed on the products we use to prevent this happening. 0.01 µg/l
0.01 µg/l
Vinyl chloride This can be found in PVC plastic pipes after manufacture. Strict control is placed on the product we use to prevent this happening. 0.50 µg/l
Total indicative dose
Tritium Measured for assessing radioactivity resulting from natural or artificial radionuclides in the environment. 0.10 mSv/year
100 Bq/l
Sodium Sodium salts occur naturally in water but can be added to drinking water by water softeners if these are not installed properly. Sodium at levels around 200mg/l will cause a salty taste in the water. 200 mg/l
Copper Traces of this metal usually come from property pipework, especially when newly installed. So called “blue water” events caused by problems with copper will be avoided through good practice in plumbing installation. 2.0 mg/l
Iron Iron is found naturally in some underground water. At sources where natural iron levels are high, treatment plants are provided to remove it. The use of iron in water treatment is closely controlled. It does not cause health problems. Iron is mostly found in samples taken from corroded iron mains and pipework. 200 µg/l
Lead Lead was formerly used as plumbing pipe material. Lead in amounts well above the standard can be a health risk if consistently consumed over many years. Water (especially soft water) passing through lead pipes can dissolve lead (plumbosolvency). Treatment is optomised to minimise plumbosolvency. 25 µg/l
Antimony
Arsenic
Boron
Cadmium
Chromium
Cyanide
Mercury
Nickel
Selenium These substances are rarely found in drinking water. 5 µg/l
10 µg/l
1.0 mg/l
5 µg/l
50 µg/l
50 µg/l
1 µg/l
20 µg/l
10 µg/l
Trihalomethanes Trihalomethanes (THMs) derive from the combination of chlorine with organic matter. Treatment is carefully controlled to limit formation of trihalomethanes. 100 µg/l
Carbon Tetrachloride
Sum of Trichloroethene +
Tetrachloroethene
Benzene
1,2 Dichloroethane These are solvents which can arise from industrial processes but can be removed during treatment. Water companies work with the industries themselves to ensure they do not reach the water supply in the first place 3 µg/l
10 µg/l
1.0 µg/l
3.0 µg/l
Total Polyaromatic Hydrocarbons PAHs are wide spread in the environment and have been detected in food, air and water. They can arise in very low levels from old coal tar or bitumen lined pipes. These are no longer used but some remain in the system. 0.10 µg/l
Benzo 3, 4 Pyrene A PAH 0.010 µg/l
Aldrin
Dieldrin
Heptachlor
Heptachlor epoxide
Other Individual Pesticides
Total Pesticides Water companies test for various pesticides which may be used in their areas and may be present in water. These come from their use by farmers, local authorities, gardeners etc. The traces found are no threat to health, being far lower than the limits which government medical advisers say would be necessary to protect health, but water companies are nevertheless taking steps to remove even these minute traces.
0.03 µg/l
0.03 µg/l
0.03 µg/l
0.03 µg/l
0.10 µg/l
0.50 µg/l
Bromate Bromate can be formed during water treatment where ozone is used in the process. It can also arise from the use of hypochlorite when this is used as a disinfectant treatment chemical. Strict control is placed on specification of hypochlorite used in water treatment and ozonation is carefully controlled to limit bromate in treated water. 10 ug/l
Cryptosporidium This is a microscopic parasite that is present in the environment. We monitor water supplies where there is a risk that the organism could be found in the raw water. Low numbers are occasionally found at works but these are well below the regulatory limit. Only measured at the treatment works
i have the jungle juice range from advanced nutes, mirco, veg a/b, flower a/b
i have used 2mls of micro on the larger plants in 1ltr of water
and 10mls of veg a/b on the larger plant in 2 ltrs of water when i transplanted her a wk ago
i have also removed the fan leaves of the big plant to encourage side shoots
Parameters tested in the UK What it means Amount allowed (PCV)
Hydrogen ion (pH) This is the measure of the acidity or alkalinity of water. 6.5 – 10.0 pH units
Colour This is an aesthetic requirement - water should be clear and bright, but may occasionally show a slight reddish or yellowish tint caused by iron from iron mains. This is not harmful to health. A common cause of discolouration is corrosion of iron mains. Programmes of work are in place to replace corroded mains. 20 mg/l Pt/Co
Turbidity Sometimes water appears milky because of air bubbles. This is not harmful and if the water is left to stand for a few minutes it will clear from the bottom upwards. A more stringent limit is set at treatment works to ensure the process is operating effectively. 1 Formazin turbidity units (at treatment works)
4 Formazin turbidity units (at customer taps)
Dilution odour
Dilution taste
These are quality control tests to measure the level of odour and taste and are carried out by specialist testing panels. Dilution number 3 at
25 °C
Conductivity By passing an electric current through water, water companies can measure the level of mineral salts it contains. 2500 µS/cm at
20 °C
Residual Free Chlorine Chlorine is added to water to remove any bacteria and other micro-organisms present in the raw water. Some remains as residual free chlorine to maintain wholesome water as it passes through the system and to the tap. We aim to keep levels at customers taps low to minimise associated taste and odour. 2500 µS/cm at
20 °C
Coliform bacteria
Escherichia coli
Clostridium perfringens
Enterococci These are bacteria which can be found sometimes in untreated raw water. Disinfection during treatment removes them. However, they may sometimes appear in tests in small numbers, although follow-up tests usually show that the mains water is satisfactory. Their presence in samples triggers immediate investigative work.
0/100 ml
0/100 ml
0/100 ml
0/100 ml
Colony count
2 day at 37°C
Colony count
3 day at 22°C Small amounts of harmless bacteria can be present in treated water. Water companies check the numbers of these bacteria. The information obtained helps to maintain the efficiency of the water treatment process and the cleanliness of the water mains. Results compared against a long term average. Any significant difference is investigated.
Ammonium Ammonium occurs naturally in water from some sources. It does not cause health problems and where it occurs, it can be controlled or removed by treatment. 0.5 mg/l
Nitrite
Nitrate
Both these substances are found in water running over and through agricultural land. Concentrations in the raw water above the amount allowed are reduced by treatment or blending.
0.1 Mg/l at treatment works
0.5 mg/l at customers’ taps
50 mg/l
Chloride Comes from the rocks through which the water passed but also comes from the use of salt to de-ice roads or from seawater intrusion into underground sources. It is not harmful to health. 250 mg/l
Fluoride
Fluoride occurs naturally at varying levels. Some companies add fluoride at the request of local health authorities. None of the water supplied by Southern Water is artificially fluoridated. . 1.5 mg/l
Sulphate This occurs naturally in water and comes from mineral deposits. 250mg/l
Manganese
Manganese occurs naturally in water and is not harmful to health. 50 µg/l
Aluminium Aluminium occurs naturally in water and is also used to remove impurities from water in some water treatment works. Its use in water treatment is very closely controlled and continually monitored. 200 µg/l
Acrylamide
Epichlorohydrin These can arise from use of use of water treatment chemicals. Strict control is placed on the products we use to prevent this happening. 0.01 µg/l
0.01 µg/l
Vinyl chloride This can be found in PVC plastic pipes after manufacture. Strict control is placed on the product we use to prevent this happening. 0.50 µg/l
Total indicative dose
Tritium Measured for assessing radioactivity resulting from natural or artificial radionuclides in the environment. 0.10 mSv/year
100 Bq/l
Sodium Sodium salts occur naturally in water but can be added to drinking water by water softeners if these are not installed properly. Sodium at levels around 200mg/l will cause a salty taste in the water. 200 mg/l
Copper Traces of this metal usually come from property pipework, especially when newly installed. So called “blue water” events caused by problems with copper will be avoided through good practice in plumbing installation. 2.0 mg/l
Iron Iron is found naturally in some underground water. At sources where natural iron levels are high, treatment plants are provided to remove it. The use of iron in water treatment is closely controlled. It does not cause health problems. Iron is mostly found in samples taken from corroded iron mains and pipework. 200 µg/l
Lead Lead was formerly used as plumbing pipe material. Lead in amounts well above the standard can be a health risk if consistently consumed over many years. Water (especially soft water) passing through lead pipes can dissolve lead (plumbosolvency). Treatment is optomised to minimise plumbosolvency. 25 µg/l
Antimony
Arsenic
Boron
Cadmium
Chromium
Cyanide
Mercury
Nickel
Selenium These substances are rarely found in drinking water. 5 µg/l
10 µg/l
1.0 mg/l
5 µg/l
50 µg/l
50 µg/l
1 µg/l
20 µg/l
10 µg/l
Trihalomethanes Trihalomethanes (THMs) derive from the combination of chlorine with organic matter. Treatment is carefully controlled to limit formation of trihalomethanes. 100 µg/l
Carbon Tetrachloride
Sum of Trichloroethene +
Tetrachloroethene
Benzene
1,2 Dichloroethane These are solvents which can arise from industrial processes but can be removed during treatment. Water companies work with the industries themselves to ensure they do not reach the water supply in the first place 3 µg/l
10 µg/l
1.0 µg/l
3.0 µg/l
Total Polyaromatic Hydrocarbons PAHs are wide spread in the environment and have been detected in food, air and water. They can arise in very low levels from old coal tar or bitumen lined pipes. These are no longer used but some remain in the system. 0.10 µg/l
Benzo 3, 4 Pyrene A PAH 0.010 µg/l
Aldrin
Dieldrin
Heptachlor
Heptachlor epoxide
Other Individual Pesticides
Total Pesticides Water companies test for various pesticides which may be used in their areas and may be present in water. These come from their use by farmers, local authorities, gardeners etc. The traces found are no threat to health, being far lower than the limits which government medical advisers say would be necessary to protect health, but water companies are nevertheless taking steps to remove even these minute traces.
0.03 µg/l
0.03 µg/l
0.03 µg/l
0.03 µg/l
0.10 µg/l
0.50 µg/l
Bromate Bromate can be formed during water treatment where ozone is used in the process. It can also arise from the use of hypochlorite when this is used as a disinfectant treatment chemical. Strict control is placed on specification of hypochlorite used in water treatment and ozonation is carefully controlled to limit bromate in treated water. 10 ug/l
Cryptosporidium This is a microscopic parasite that is present in the environment. We monitor water supplies where there is a risk that the organism could be found in the raw water. Low numbers are occasionally found at works but these are well below the regulatory limit. Only measured at the treatment works
i have the jungle juice range from advanced nutes, mirco, veg a/b, flower a/b
i have used 2mls of micro on the larger plants in 1ltr of water
and 10mls of veg a/b on the larger plant in 2 ltrs of water when i transplanted her a wk ago
i have also removed the fan leaves of the big plant to encourage side shoots
DrTentgrow
New Member
Yeah I'm not too keen on other grow forums, don't get me wrong they all have some good people and some interesting article and journals but compared to this site the is to much people arguing rather than helping and trying to be better than one another where as this site is a good solid community of helpful people. If someone started acting a dick on here for lack of better words then the moderators would simply take his or her comment away and send the person a warning which I believe makes this site what it is.
If you would like to start a grow journal then you might as well make this your journal the only way it differs at the moment is the title but I know a little trick to get that changed, only the moderators can change it but if you click on the little triangle with the exclamation mark below one of your posts (the first one of this thread would probably be best) this is normally used to report people that have violated the sites rules but if you click on it and explain that you started this thread with a few query's but want to change it to a grow journal and give them the new title you would like to have for your journal they will change it, I have done this before when I wrote something wrong, give them a little time thou.
If you would like to start a grow journal then you might as well make this your journal the only way it differs at the moment is the title but I know a little trick to get that changed, only the moderators can change it but if you click on the little triangle with the exclamation mark below one of your posts (the first one of this thread would probably be best) this is normally used to report people that have violated the sites rules but if you click on it and explain that you started this thread with a few query's but want to change it to a grow journal and give them the new title you would like to have for your journal they will change it, I have done this before when I wrote something wrong, give them a little time thou.
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DrTentgrow
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That info on water is very generalized for the UK and 6.5 – 10.0 pH is obviously a broad spectrum I'm assuming your local water supplier doesn't supply specific information? Don't worry too much thou as I know that due to fairly good regulations UK tap water is normally always good enough for soil grows however it would be good to know at least if you have hard or soft water? that way I can help you with feeding better.
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