Horse's Coco Hempy 400w CMH Vertical Crawlspace Grow 2010

[HorseBadoritz]

400 watt HPS, cooled, plus mucho suplemented lighting. curl is everywhere. All parts from top to bottom, starts with the inner small leaves, and works to the larger ones. Upside down canoes that turn into eagle claws.

Sure sounds similar. I think I first noticed my claws on the fans, though, and then it got into the little, newer leaves. How long have yours had it?

 

[Mmmmick]

Too much N should cause your leaf color to be a dark green, probably before any other symptoms are showing. In pics it's hard to tell but they don't appear excessively dark to me, unless the strain is known to produce light green foliage.

 

[VapedOutJoe]

Pretty much once they started flower the claw slowly made its way in. I have one girl that is just starting flower, and has yet to show the claw, one in full flower, major claw, one just started flower a couple weeks ago, and claw is getting worse.

 

[HorseBadoritz]

Too much N should cause your leaf color to be a dark green, probably before any other symptoms are showing. In pics it's hard to tell but they don't appear excessively dark to me, unless the strain is known to produce light green foliage.

I haven't grow JH before, so I'm not sure what's normal for her, but the curls maybe a little darker. I'll give that a check tonight. So, I guess really killer diller super duper skanky danky pot doesn't look like this

 

[Mmmmick]

heheh well if I ever grow really killer pot I'll let ya know

I think The Jh should be in that class.

 

[VapedOutJoe]

To chime in on mine, all plants have 'normal' color. From your pics, those girls look very 'normal' in color too.

 

[Mmmmick]

horse, do your plants need water every 2 days or do you water them on a schedule instead of demand?

I found a post by a grower in DWC who had the canoe/claw leaf thing going on because his roots kept getting into his water/nutes. Of course that was his interpretation of what was going on and I didn't find a follow-up post. Apparently he also found his ph to be low. Canoe from N, drooping from overwatering, my more or less uninformed diagnosis.

 

[HorseBadoritz]

To chime in on mine, all plants have 'normal' color. From your pics, those girls look very 'normal' in color too.

I'm beginning to think I've got Igor helping me with the clones... "ohhhh, I think this one's name was Abbey Normal..."

 

[VapedOutJoe]

 

[Barry Manilow]

I'm no scientist but I like TwoTokes' thoughts best so far. Sounding like a variety of things can cause this. I'll be interested to see what happens.

One more thing for me to worry about, slightly below the stem-boring worms that attacked Woodsman's girls and the fungus gnats that are attacking Tmac's grow. Our adventures never end!

 

[Tmac12]

And now I am worried about my "perched water table"!!! I think I would rather have claw leaves.......

 

[Barry Manilow]

And now I am worried about my "perched water table"!!! I think I would rather have claw leaves.......

Us long-time growers just call it the PWT Tmac

If you haven't seen it, Doc just laid out the PWT in detail on his med grow thread. A great read.

 

[Tmac12]

Doc just laid out the PWT in detail on his med grow thread.

That is why I am worried. With all the bugs, plants are staying to wet in the soil......

 

[HorseBadoritz]

High All,

I posted this in another thread, but zip for traffic, so...

I have this tent:

I'm thinking of running a 25-30 1gal grow bag perpetual sog.

I think I could squeeze 3 2' 4 Tube T5HO 104w Sunblaze fixtures in there. I know that 2 will fit. I have the fixtures, but I'd have relamp to bloom lamps. I think I can get 2 8packs of Agromax (?) for around 70 bucks.

I could get a 250w CMH horizontal bulb and ballast kit for about 130 bucks. I have a mogul and open hood. I am figuring 250w in that tent is borderline heat manageable with stuff I have, but I'm not sure if 150 would be enough light for good buds?

What do y'all think would be my most bang for the buck, or more importantly, the most bang for the buds

Thanks for any ideas.

 

[Barry Manilow]

Sorry Horse I have no idea I don't know any of those lights. Are you saying you're going to run 25-30 plants in there?

I'm pretty disappointed in how the buds are looking on my grow with the cfl's, I'm really tempted to get a vertical 400w cmh bulb like you've got.

Do you think it would make much impact if I didn't have it until week 6 or so of flower? By the time I ordered it and got it installed that's about where I'd be. These are supposedly 7-9 week strains, but probably longer due to the cfls.

Thanks and take care!

 

[HorseBadoritz]

Sorry Horse I have no idea I don't know any of those lights. Are you saying you're going to run 25-30 plants in there?

I'm pretty disappointed in how the buds are looking on my grow with the cfl's, I'm really tempted to get a vertical 400w cmh bulb like you've got.

Do you think it would make much impact if I didn't have it until week 6 or so of flower? By the time I ordered it and got it installed that's about where I'd be. These are supposedly 7-9 week strains, but probably longer due to the cfls.

Thanks and take care!

High Blue, yeah I'm thinking of an ongoing Sea of Green. Small plants, one cola, different strains, and staggered harvests.

I don't know about changing horses The CMH is pretty intense, compared to CFLs.

I got my bulb from these folks:

Phlips MasterColor Ceramic Metal Halide ~ CMH ~ HPS-Retro White

and will eventually get a ballast kit from 'em, too. They throw in an HPS with the CMH... maybe use that 1st, then move to the CMH? Seems like the seed companies time projections are usually best, best case scenarios (unless you're Setting Sun ), so finishing w/ more light just may help pack it on, and the CMH ought to boost the trichs.

Go for the light, Grasshopper

 

[bud brother]

[QUOTE=HorseBadortiz;

Go for the light, Grasshopper. Horse hows it goin ? IMHO the 250 would be nice in that tent with a good exhaust fan .I run a 400 in a 4x4 tent no probs..
Suggestion bout the claw low ph Sativa dominant or haze type plants are supposeply on the low end of ferts. and like a higher ph . Nute sensitive and tricky to grow compared to Indica .Also sativa are naturally a light green in color . You should give kush a try would be nice in the little tent . Any ways hope this helps a bit..

 

[Barry Manilow]

Thanks Horse. Gotta take a hard look at the finances, so many gifts to buy and bills to pay ugh.

I'm drooling thinking of a grow like that. Would they be hempy? How will you handle the run-off?

 

[HorseBadoritz]

The Claw, Saturday after the flush and raising the light:

Sunday, after a 6.0pH watering w/ cal/mag, Hygrozyme, and SuperThrive:

It still seems to be relaxing.

I'm wondering if it could bee too much light? Spectrum, brightness, heat? The lower leaves, and the dark side of the plant don't seem nearly so effected. And now she's acclimating? Do leaves curl to reduce their solar collecting profile? Variables out the wazoo

White Russian finally got her wish... bloom, baby, bloom!

She is one sticky, stinky munchkin...

In the tent. White Russians

Jacks

It has warmed up a bit outside. Temps are better in the hole w/ a heater set at 65°, w/ a little cyclonic direction.

Picked up some city water, easier for me to deal with than dragging jugs to the health food store . Letting it sit, then the tests will begin. Rain is just too iffy.

County water report:

Physical Water Quality Characteristics
The following characteristics impact the taste and appearance of drinking water.

Alkalinity
(mg CaCO3/L)
36


23 to 46
not regulated
not regulated


Calcium
(ppm)
7.22


6.41 to 8.02
not regulated
not regulated


Color
(CU)
0


0 to 2
No MCL
15


Iron
(ppm)
0.02


0.00 to 0.20
No MCL
0.3


Manganese
(ppm)
0.00


0.00 to 0.03
No MCL
0.05


Ortho-Phosphorus
(ppm)
0.56


0.48 to 0.81
not regulated
not regulated


pH
8.1


6.9 to 8.6
No MCL
6.5 to 8.5


Specific Conductance (umhos/cm)
185.1


133.7 to 252.0
not regulated
not regulated


Total Hardness
(mg CaCO3/L)
29


15 to 38
not regulated
not regulated


Total Phosphorus
(ppm)
0.78

0.67 to 1.08
not regulated
not regulated

It seems like it would work, to me. Any thoughts appreciated?

Thanks

 

[Barry Manilow]

Looks good to me Horse, really it's pretty clean with some nice micros. Doc says if TA is under 100 you're good to go. Just ph down.

The claw doesn't seem to be affecting the buddage. How much longer they have to go? Looking great!