Round 2-4140w LED-6x12 Monster SCROG-Hydro Recirculating System-PK-Chernobyl-Berrybom

[jon705]

Re: Round 2-4140w LED-6x12 Monster SCROG-Hydro Recirculating System-PK-Chernobyl-Berr

The ladies are growing well, theres not really much to report but I took some pics to show how well they've filled in.there are still some thripes around and a few gnats bug I picked up 3 bugbombs, I ll set them off as soon as I harvest, It just confirms that they came from the bale of promix, they showed up again right after i transplanted into the bags. heres a few pics hope you enjoy

another reason I like led over hps,these are $130 around here

 

[jon705]

Re: Round 2-4140w LED-6x12 Monster SCROG-Hydro Recirculating System-PK-Chernobyl-Berr

thanks for the reps Doc

 

[420fied]

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You prefer LEDs to HPS?

 

[YourMaster]

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I use the same bulb exclusively. I just play the stores of each other they all try to undercut each other and i end up getting them for around 110$-120$. tax in.

Its kinda greasy but i got kids and when u are buying 12 bulbs every 10$ is really 120$.

 

[jon705]

Re: Round 2-4140w LED-6x12 Monster SCROG-Hydro Recirculating System-PK-Chernobyl-Berr

yes I do 420fied, I grew with hps on and off for 15 years before i switched bro, if you get good ones theres nothing but benefits to them imo, I dont replace bulbs, I dont need a huge a/c unit run a grow with 8 lights like im doing in my new space,lifetime warranty, 10 000 hrs before i have to think about new diodes(thats 10 years of growing),no thermal footprint, I could go on. If you factor in Bulb replacement every 3 grows, bigger a/c, vented hoods, extra fans,ductwork,holes all over the place, much higher hydro bills the cost of quality led's isnt that much.

 

[420fied]

Re: Round 2-4140w LED-6x12 Monster SCROG-Hydro Recirculating System-PK-Chernobyl-Berr

yes I do 420fied, I grew with hps on and off for 15 years before i switched bro, if you get good ones theres nothing but benefits to them imo, I dont replace bulbs, I dont need a huge a/c unit run a grow with 8 lights like im doing in my new space,lifetime warranty, 10 000 hrs before i have to think about new diodes(thats 10 years of growing),no thermal footprint, I could go on. If you factor in Bulb replacement every 3 grows, bigger a/c, vented hoods, extra fans,ductwork,holes all over the place, much higher hydro bills the cost of quality led's isnt that much.

Thank you for the feedback. The reason I asked is because I thought I had read where you've used both. I've never ran LEDs but will consider them. What do the large LED units that = a 600 or 1000 watt HPS run?

I've read that the HPS produces denser buds. True?

 

[YourMaster]

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Im ready to buy a few led panels what do U have a link for something u would recommend? And how many actually amps does one of these draw?

 

[jon705]

Re: Round 2-4140w LED-6x12 Monster SCROG-Hydro Recirculating System-PK-Chernobyl-Berr

Thank you for the feedback. The reason I asked is because I thought I had read where you've used both. I've never ran LEDs but will consider them. What do the large LED units that = a 600 or 1000 watt HPS run?

I've read that the HPS produces denser buds. True?

Im treading on thins ice talking about my lights guys but the good ones are pretty close to the same price,I paid 1500 a piece for mine. I ran 4 1000w hps in my flower room before I switched to led's and my bill is 270 bucks a month cheaper when they are running on all 4 switches and I save alot more than that when I veg with them(2 switches on) and in early flower(3 switches on)

 

[jon705]

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Im ready to buy a few led panels what do U have a link for something u would recommend? And how many actually amps does one of these draw?

I cant mention companies that arent sponsors bro but if you go to the first few pages of my other journal there might be some info that didnt get removed there im not sure..

 

[YourMaster]

Re: Round 2-4140w LED-6x12 Monster SCROG-Hydro Recirculating System-PK-Chernobyl-Berr

Ok so I just read the when 1000w ballast is on 240v is runs at a different colour spectrum so I guess I just assumed it was brighter cause it was more of a white colour. I will still measure the light at some point but it looks as if I was wrong. It does say the ballast will run cooler for what its worth. I still swear the bulbs run hotter.

Sorry if I gave U guys false info!



General FAQ from Growco Indoor Garden Supply

 

[jon705]

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hmm..interesting, I never noticed a difference

 

[Hiker]

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Yea sounds like you know what your doing. I wire everything 240 but it's just as easy as 120 just a little more dangerous I guess. I have a 40 amp double pole breaker that has 4 1000 watts no problem at all. Have you looked into running 240v Jon?

Edit: using 10/3 wire not 12/2 if there was any confusion.

Why did you run 10/3? My 240V plugs only need the 2 phases of 120 and the common. No place to connect a neutral on the outlets I used.

When u run 240v the the amps on digital ballast drop to half around 4.1 amp draw. Im sure u guys are aware of this if not now u know Also 240v is much safer and the light it throws off if much more brighter= more lumes i guess?.

I've never heard that it makes the lights brighter. Maybe true not sure though. The amps are cut in half though. Honestly I'm not 100 % sure on the benefits of running 240 but that's how my original room was wired so now I wore all my lights like that. Curious if anyone knows the benefits of it could chime in.

I can tell u with 100 % certainty the lights are far brighter when in 240! U can SEE the visual change they don't even throw the same coulour. If i had a decent video camera i would prove it but just google it im sure U will come to the conclusion im speaking of.

I can measure light with my iponic 600 sensor when im done this round of flower I will thats tests for u all so u can see exsaclty how much better 240v is!

Makes sense. After doing some google research the last half hour I've read the only true benefit of running 240 is you can have more lights on one circuit breaker. From what I've gathered a 20 amp breaker could run up to 4 1000 watters but it would be cutting it really close. I'd say 30 amps for sure though. I guess the power consumption is the same regardless though just using less amps so you won't save any money on electric bill but the lights could be ran efficiently on less breakers.

All this is just from google I am by no means an electrician expert and don't condone wiring 240 unless you have experience!!

I disaggree Cuase i just build my room witch was one 120 till my electrician came about a month after. Even the temps rose when i switched to 240. I just finished my veg room also and same thing bro U can see with the naked eye the noticeable difference not only in the light / heat the colour is not even the same.

Now this will bug me all measure it tonight when my lights come on. All go in a bit early and switch my scrog to 120 measure the light out put and then switch back to 240 and measure it again with out moving the sensor! All try to get some pictures of the different colour of light it throws of . I have no problem to admit if im wrong!

Even my partner said as soon as he walked into the room for the first time is was far brighter!

Ok so I just read the when 1000w ballast is on 240v is runs at a different colour spectrum so I guess I just assumed it was brighter cause it was more of a white colour. I will still measure the light at some point but it looks as if I was wrong. It does say the ballast will run cooler for what its worth. I still swear the bulbs run hotter.

Sorry if I gave U guys false info!

General FAQ from Growco Indoor Garden Supply

The advantage of 240 is more lights on smaller wire and fewer breakers. That's the only difference I know of.

Watts are always watts. P=VA, is Power (Watts) = Voltage (V) * Current(Amps). Watts always stay the same. If you change voltage, the current changes. Here is a way to think about electricity and these terms. Power is the amount of work. You can also think of it as the amount of energy expended, or how much light was given off. The other side of the equation has the Amps, which describe the number, or quantity, of electrons moving through the circuit, and the Voltage, which describes how much energy they are carrying. The bulb needs a certain amount of energy delivered to it in order to operate. The electrons are the deliverymen carrying am amount of energy in proportion to the Voltage. The number of deliverymen is the Amps. There are two ways to get the the energy it needs. We can increase the number of deliverymen, or have each deliveryman carry more energy.

Hopefully this helps someone understand electricity a little better.

I'm trying to understand why a ballast would run cooler on 240V. It must have to do with less electrons passing through the circuit. I've never heard of cooler temps as an advantage. I ran 2 240V circuits for the lighting in my 2 flower rooms because I wanted to use fewer circuit breakers. As it is, I'm already using 2 slots in my breaker box. If I had went with 120V, it would have taken 4 slots.

I am NOT an electrician. I have setup several grow ops over the years though. I also studied electrical engineering for awhile in college before changing to computer science. I do however have a brother and 2 close friends that are electricians, so I've learned a lot from them over the years by asking questions. Please take all this into account before listening to any of my electrical advice. If you're in doubt about ANYTHING when doing wiring, STOP, and seek out advice from an expert.

 

[DocDee]

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Good post hiker! I ran 10:3 wire with two grounds. That is how my good friend/electrician did when he ran my first setup for me so that's is how I set up my next two. I'm pretty sure it would be the same with 10/2 wire with just one ground correct? I might do that next time if its the same. Save me some messing around with two grounds.

 

[Hiker]

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Good post hiker! I ran 10:3 wire with two grounds. That is how my good friend/electrician did when he ran my first setup for me so that's is how I set up my next two. I'm pretty sure it would be the same with 10/2 wire with just one ground correct? I might do that next time if its the same. Save me some messing around with two grounds.

ahhh that makes sense. That's what my brother said to do when I ran 10/3 before realizing there was no common terminal on the outlets. He said to just use 2 wires for ground.

10/2 is a lot cheaper than 10/3, that's why I asked. I was a little miffed that I ran the more expensive wire, but at that point it was a done deal.

 

[DocDee]

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Your right is cheaper too. If 10/2 will work the same that's way smarter. Idk if it does or not can anyone confirm?

 

[Hiker]

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Your right is cheaper too. If 10/2 will work the same that's way smarter. Idk if it does or not can anyone confirm?

My brother, the actual electrician, said I should have used 10/2. He laughed at me, so I'm guessing it would work.

 

[DocDee]

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Well tell him to keep laughing at me. Spent 25 more dollars on 25 ft for 10/3 lmao!

 

[mcloadie]

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Your right is cheaper too. If 10/2 will work the same that's way smarter. Idk if it does or not can anyone confirm?

Thicker, better insulated wire will carry current more efficiently, with less current drop when comparing distance of run.

 

[Hiker]

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Thicker, better insulated wire will carry current more efficiently, with less current drop when comparing distance of run.

Absolutely right! It's always a good thing to use thicker wire. I'm not sure about the thicker insulation. I'm sure it would help, but can you buy it? I've always bought Romex brand. Do they make different grades of insulation? lol

Having an unused wire in the bundle doesn't really help though

 

[mcloadie]

Re: Round 2-4140w LED-6x12 Monster SCROG-Hydro Recirculating System-PK-Chernobyl-Berr

Absolutely right! It's always a good thing to use thicker wire. I'm not sure about the thicker insulation. I'm sure it would help, but can you buy it? I've always bought Romex brand. Do they make different grades of insulation? lol

Having an unused wire in the bundle doesn't really help though

In my past profession I could get wire made in any configuration I needed. I'm not an electronics specialist, I let them do the calculating as to what I would require to repair or fabricate harnesses, or make repairs on electrical components, then I would tell the mfgr. and .....bam, it would be there. Simply put, if you're willing to pay you can get anything on this earth.