Lexort's Kaneh Bosm CFL Garden

As you probably noticed- I tend to look at ph issues first. No matter how many times I run around chasing issues- it seems like I usually end up finding out in the end that my ph tester was out. But like I also said- some strains will just be fussier than others and you can have 8 strains growing happily in the conditions while one of them is constantly freaking out. I get rid of those ones.
 
Found some info on your issue, little long winded but I think it ll be a great reference!:thumb:



Phosphorus (P) Mobile Element and Macro Element

Benefit: Phosphorus does a lot of things for the plant. One of the most important parts of Phosphorus is: It aids in root growth and influences the vigor of the plant and is one of the most important elements in flowering as well helps to germinate seedlings.
Phosphorus is an essential plant nutrient, and since it is needed in large amounts, it is classified as a macronutrient. Phosphorus is a MAJOR important nutrient in the plants reproductive stages. Without this element the plants will have a lot of problems blooming without proper levels of Phosphorus.


When your plants are deficient in phosphorus, this can overall reduce the size of your plants. Not enough causes slow growth and causes the plant to become weak, to little amount of Phosphorus causes slow growths in leaves that may or may not drop off. The edges all around the leaves or half of the leaves can be brownish and work its way inwards a bit causing the part of the leaves to curl up in the air a bit. Fan leaves will show dark greenish/purplish and yellowish tones along with a dullish blue color to them. Sometimes the stems can be red, along with red petioles that can happen when having a Phosphorus deficiency. This isn't a sure sure sign of you having one though, but can be a sign. Some strains just show the red petioles and stems from its genes.

So pretty much the overall dark green color with a purple, red, or blue tint to the fan leaves is a good sign of a Phosphorus deficiency.

Having Cold weather (below 50F/10C) can make phosphorous absorption very troublesome for plants.

Many people get a Phosphorus deficiency confused with a fungus problem because the ends of the leaves look like a fungus problem, But the damage occurs at the end of the leaves. side of the leaves and has a glass like feeling to it as if it had a ph problem. Parts affected by a phosphorus deficiency are: Older Leaves, Whole plant, Petioles.

Too much Phosphorus levels affect plant growth by suppressing the uptake of: Iron, potassium and Zinc, potentially causing deficiency symptoms of these nutrients to occur def in plants. A Zinc deficiency is most common under excessive phosphorus conditions, as well as causing other nutrients to have absorption troubles like zinc and copper. Phosphorus fluctuates when concentrated and combined with calcium



Problems with Phosphorus being locked out by PH troubles

Cold wet soils, acid or very alkaline soils, compacted soil.


Soil

Phosphorus gets locked out of soil growing at ph levels of 4.0-5.5
Phosphorus is absorbed best in soil at a ph level of 6.0-7.5 (wouldn't recommend having a ph of over 7.0 in soil) Anything out of the ranges listed will contribute to a Phosphorus deficiency.


Hydro and Soil less Mediums

Phosphorus gets locked out of Hydro and Soil less Mediums at ph levels of 6.0-8.5.
Phosphorus is absorbed best in Hydro and Soil less Mediums at ph levels of 4.0- 5.8. (Wouldn't recommend having a ph over 6.5 in hydro and soil less mediums.) Best range for hydro and soil less mediums is 5.0 to 6.0. Anything out of the ranges listed will contribute to a Phosphorus Deficiency.



Solution to fixing a Phosphorus deficiency
Some deficiency during flowering is normal, but too much shouldn't be tolerated. Any chemical or organic fertilizers that have Phosphorus in them will fix a Phosphorus deficiency. If you have a phosphorus deficiency you should use any N-P-K ratio that is over 5.Again Peters all purpose 20-20-20 is a good mix. Miracle grow Tomato plant food, Miracle grow All purpose plant food (Only mixing at ½ strength when using chemical nutrients, or it will cause nutrient burn!) Other forms of phosphorus supplements are: Bone meal, which is gradual absorption, I suggest making it into a tea for faster use, where bone/blood meal is slow acting, but when made into a tea it works quicker! Fruit eating bat guano, which is fast absorption, Worm castings, which is gradual absorption, Fish meal, which is medium absorption, Soft Rock Phosphate, which is medium absorption, Jamaican or Indonesian Guano, which is fast absorption. Crabshell, which is slow absorption. Tiger Bloom , which is fast absorption.

Here is a list of things to help fix a Phosphrus Deficiency.

Chemical

Advanced nutrients Bloom (0-5-4)
Vita Bloom (0-7-5)
BC Bloom (1.1-4.4-7)
GH Flora Bloom (0-5-4)
GH Maxi Bloom (5-15-14)
GH Floranova Bloom (4-8-7)
Dyna-Gro Bloom (3-12-6)
Fox Farm Tiger Bloom (2-8-4)
Awsome Blossums

Organic

Dr. Hornby's Iguana Juice Bloom (4-3-6)
Advanced Nutrients Mother Earth Bloom (.5-1.5-2)
Fox Farm Big Bloom (.01-.3-.7)
Earth Juice Bloom (0-3-1)
Pure Blend Bloom (2.5-2-5)
Pure Blend Pro Bloom (2.5-2-5)
Buddswell (0-7-0)
Sea Island Jamaican Bat Guano (1-10-0)
Indonesian Bat Guano (0-13-0)
Rainbow Mix Bloom (1-9-2)
Earth Juice Bloom (0-3-1)
BIO BLOOM (2-6-3.5)
AGE OLD BLOOM (5-10-5)
ALASKA MORBLOOM (0-10-10)
METANATURALS ORGANIC BLOOM (1-5-5)


Any of these will cure your phosphorus deficiency. Affected leaves will not show recovery but new growth will appear normal.


Now if you added to much chemical ferts and or organics,( which is hard to burn your plants when using organics) You need to Flush the soil with plain water. You need to use 2 times as much water as the size of the pot, for example: If you have a 5 gallon pot and need to flush it, you need to use 10 gallons of water to rinse out the soil good enough to get rid of excessive nutrients.


Note: Blood Meal, Dried Blood, Guanos, Kelp Meal, Cotton Seed Meal, Peat Moss,
Sulfur and fish meal are all acidic and can bring your ph down, so if you add these please monitor your ph when using those.

Note: Bone Meal, Rock Phosphate, Wood Ashes pretty much all ashes, Shellfish Compost and Crab Meal are all alkaline and can make your ph go up, so if you add any of these please monitor your ph.

Funny enough i read that bit and many other threads like that in the process of researching this problem. Here's my question if ph is correct if phosphorus is plentiful a flush has been done and yet signs of phosphorus deficiency persist what do you do? That is where im at. I have tinkered with ph i have flushed trying to get rid of any salt buildup they aren't rootbound and i have tried supplementing phosphorus to be sure i wasn't given too little. I been racking my mind with this its actually why i haven't been on here a bunch cause I am researching the crap out of this. This problem hadn't showed up until i swapped out the cfls for the led panel that's why I was thinking about other possibilities
 
Key to growing with small containers IMHO is to keep veg time short or do lst asap when they are little to slow their progress a little but i can't see it buying alot more time really so ya just keep it short lol.

Sorry... playing catch up on many threads....

I like the LST idea to slow the growth in veg. I'd doing that with another plant right now. I can see the fit here. Thanks!
 
Ya i give 1/2tsp of floramicro (depending on what stage but most my schedule calls for 1/2tsp) which has 5% calcium then the florabloom has 1.5% mag and depending on schedule dose of that ranges from 1/4tsp up to 1tsp then I add calimagic usually 1/2tsp per gallon which its 5% calcium and 1.5% mag so I would think that's enough lol


I don't think I'd agree with the "so I would think that's enough" part of that comment.
Most nutrient routines need additional calmag under all conditions and all lights. You're barely adding any with 1/2tsp of additional calmag.
 
I don't mean to down play your vigilance ( because your way more advanced and knowledgable then me) but could it be disease...... I m dealing with similar issues and after the research I ve done I still come back here to reference from your research and due diligence:high-five:

Ah man i know you aint down playing my vigilance and really im not entirely sure about being advanced im definitely a novice here when compared most everyone on here lol. Man alot of the time im intimidated by everyones garden hell even yours looks better to me! See i haven't gone much into diseases and I wouldn't know where to begin, i haven't spent much time researching that topic and for all i know it could be, i am more inclined to think it's just funky bagseed gene's as much as i hate to say it cause I stick by my bagseed girls even with all the trouble they bring. I have some good genetics now just got to get them going lol.
 
If it was me- I would double and triple check the environment basics that I think I am already sure are good- just in case. Calibrate ph pen, check runoff just for 'fun', make sure night time temps are good, etc. Then I would try a new strain, also try a few plants on different feeding levels.
I agree with Tead that your calmag is low- could be doubled. But probably there are multiple issues. They compound each other so once there's an issue somewhere- which could be from sensitive funky genetics, it quickly becomes a tangled mess.
 
I don't think I'd agree with the "so I would think that's enough" part of that comment.
Most nutrient routines need additional calmag under all conditions and all lights. You're barely adding any with 1/2tsp of additional calmag.

If it was me- I would double and triple check the environment basics that I think I am already sure are good- just in case. Calibrate ph pen, check runoff just for 'fun', make sure night time temps are good, etc. Then I would try a new strain, also try a few plants on different feeding levels.
I agree with Tead that your calmag is low- could be doubled. But probably there are multiple issues. They compound each other so once there's an issue somewhere- which could be from sensitive funky genetics, it quickly becomes a tangled mess.
I wanted to put up my feed schedule to see what you guys think of it. I been following it for a little while now i figured it seems decent. I suppose you guys could be right about not enough. I have tripled checked to be sure my ph pen is calibrated and run off reads exactly what goes in. Maybe my ph is too high but i thought it was right on the edge of where calcium is absorbed. Ph is usually at 5.7-6.0.
 
Hey Lex, I hope you don't mind me dropping a random question in here. So here is the story, I dont have the funds for a ro water system, a ppm meter, or to keep buying distiled water from the store. I do have a ph meter. The ph of the water where i live out of the tap is between 9.0 and 11.0 ph. Which i realize is stupidly high. I assume since its super high theres also alot of shit, for lack of a better term, in it (ppm). The ph up/down that goes along with the line i'm using is non liquid and looks like salt. It takes a shit ton to lower the ph. Adding alot more to the ppm in the water i assume. I don't have the money to have options at fixing this problem at this point in time. So the question is would it be better to try and correct the ph or just say fuck it and just use the water how it is?
 
Hey Lex, I hope you don't mind me dropping a random question in here. So here is the story, I dont have the funds for a ro water system, a ppm meter, or to keep buying distiled water from the store. I do have a ph meter. The ph of the water where i live out of the tap is between 9.0 and 11.0 ph. Which i realize is stupidly high. I assume since its super high theres also alot of shit, for lack of a better term, in it (ppm). The ph up/down that goes along with the line i'm using is non liquid and looks like salt. It takes a shit ton to lower the ph. Adding alot more to the ppm in the water i assume. I don't have the money to have options at fixing this problem at this point in time. So the question is would it be better to try and correct the ph or just say fuck it and just use the water how it is?
Hey brother long time no see lol! Hmmm intriguing dilemma, see i was in a similar situation in the beginning my tap water comes out of the faucet at a ph of 7.8-8.6 depending on the day and has a ppm level of no less then 400ppm at any given time needless to say it is very hard water lol. See im no pro about ph and ppm but i know a little and the problem that arises can be one of many or multiple problems at once, to be a bit more straight forward your looking at anything from salt build to too much minerals for your plant and that is before adding in ferts and ph'ing then when you factor in by adding ferts and adjusting the ph you are adding in more ppm's right there. O ya plus with tap water you gotta let it sit before use to allow the chlorine to dissipate (is that the right word? Lol). This is a tough issue for me to address since you say funding is limited, my funding is limited a bit as well but distilled water costs me 80cents to 90cents depending where I get it and my little girls dont take alot of water (three budcicle hempy take half a gallon altogether every 3 days)(mother hempys take 1/4 a gallon roughly every 3 days so two mothers go through half a gallon each in six days) i usually buy six gallon jugs of water at a time at a little less then $6 and it lasts me 2-3 weeks depending on if i have been cloning alot or something lol. I guess ideally you should get a ppm meter if you can manage it, it cost me $15-$20 off amazon for a basic one, i feel that without knowing truly how high your tap water ppm is i can't really endorse the tap water route easy way for you to get a basic idea is think how much lime and calcium buildup you get on your toilet and if it builds up decently fast then you will know you definitely shouldn't be using it. See if i boil my tap water in a pan, a lot of calcium buildup binds to the pan so definitely not good lol. So in short if your water causes a lot of buildup definitely not useable IMHO and if able get a ppm meter to be sure even though i dont use mine alot anymore it is definitely handy to have as important as my pocket microscope and my ph IMO, other then this im not sure what to say or suggest i know yhe lack of funding definitely binds ones hands a bit. Hope this is coherent enough and I hope it helped and im sorry im not more helpful.
 
Do you have a way to measure ppm Lex- or do you go by ml/gallon?

I have a ppm meter but i do follow a schedule based on ml/gallon. I know that the schedule i follow is kinda of a less is more approach. I been meaning to write it up just been busy lately. I will get it up asap
 
Yeah the days go by so fast anymore it's all a blur. I don't usually get on my labtop unless I have some free time on my days off. Yeah before my next one I'm investing in a ppm metter and a ro water system. I go through about 6 gallons each watering. Really I could spare money now but I'm far enough into flower that it doesn't matter for this one anymore I gess. I've just been saying screw it the whole grow and not worrying about ph/down. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't making it worse for myself by not adjusting it. And I wanted a general opinion so for that you very much. Salt build up has been my main worry as I figure if its too built up to even feed it whats the point in trying to make it right when you just screw yourself over anyway. Sorry for the rambling. I hope to master the ppm and ph headache one day. :lot-o-toke:
 
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Great journal Lex. I hope its not the last. Later brother :passitleft:

O its most certainly not the last journal,im just trying to get things in order before i start a new journal. This journal was quite the journey and im glad i could have you along brother!
 
Hey lex idk if you still pay attention to this but I finally updated my journal.

Alright awesome I will be stopping on by after i write this lol.
 
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