Sog solo cup?

[magsteria]

Hey guys!

Im planning on creating a sog with solo cup grow and i just wanted to ask a few things.

Since this would be my first trial, ill be using a super danky bag seed i got from some old stash.

Here's what ill be using for my grow:
20x20x30 box with 8 bulbs total of 180w cfl.
Coco perlite mix.
Gh trio series.
Small usb fans, intake and exhaust

So the question i have is how many cups do you think ill be able to use in my box?
I assume that training is really not needed too right or scrog?
How many weeks in veg before i flip so that i can maximize root grow and avoid root rot or tangled roots?

 

[Weaselcracker]

Your height is 30? Inches I assume. And 20" wide? How much actual useable space for plants?
When I grew in solo cups I started them at 12/12 from seed. I think the tallest one was 27" but most were closer to 20".
If you are going to veg under more light ( like 18/6 or 24/0) I would probably only do it for a few days.
Another time I vegged for three weeks before flipping. Those ones were in one gallon pots which was about the right size in that case.
But it also depends on the strain, how much growth you're likely to get.
You won't need to scrog. A plant grown like that is likely to be a single cola plant and not very wide.
Also -be prepared to be watering/feeding at least two or three times a day.

To answer your first question though- probably four plants if you had 20" wide available and at least 24" height

 

[AngryBird]

Hi Magsteria and Weasel
I join in on Weasel's advice, he surely knows what he talks about.

 

[flashmp3]

Your actual usable height for a plant is 30? Inches I assume. And 20" wide?
When I grew in solo cups I started them at 12/12 from seed. I think the tallest one was 27" but most were closer to 20".
If you are going to veg under more light ( like 18/6 or 24/0) I would probably only do it for a few days.
Another time I vegged for three weeks before flipping. Those ones were in one gallon pots which was about the right size in that case.
But it also depends on the strain, how much growth you're likely to get.
You won't need to scrog. A plant grown like that is likely to be a single cola plant and not very wide.
Also -be prepared to be watering/feeding at least two or three times a day.

To answer your first question though- probably four plants.

20" in solo cup on 12/12 from seed? Are you talking about inch? Like 50 cm? Cause it looks very tall for a plant in a lil solo cup and which was forced to flower as soon as she s mature enough. Maybe your lights were too high?

Ps I m just asking question to nourish my knowledge base. Not criticizing in any case! (especially knowing I ve never done this experiment)

 

[Weaselcracker]

No my lights were fine.

You're right they weren't that tall. I should have known my memory would be wrong but was too lazy to go dig up that info. It was a couple years ago and my memory is foggy at the best of times. I had to go dig back through one of my journals.
This was six different random strains. In coco and perlite.

The tallest one was only 21" - which was the White Widow at rear left- looking rough.
I had nothing but problems with that particular WW strain no matter what size container.
That 21" is not ncluding the container height of course so it would still be maxing out the 30" grow box especially if there are lights eating some of that 30".
That first pic of all six of them was taken about 2/3 of the way through flowering



The Critical Cheese was the star of the show and I don't mind showing her off again here. . She was 19" tall if I remember right which I probably don't.

Rootball after harvest

 

[flashmp3]

No my lights were fine.

You're right they weren't that tall. I should have known my memory would be wrong but was too lazy to go dig up that info. It was a couple years ago and my memory is foggy at the best of times. I had to go dig back through one of my journals.
This was six different random strains. In coco and perlite.

The tallest one was only 21" - which was the White Widow at rear left- looking rough.
I had nothing but problems with that particular WW strain no matter what size container.
That 21" is not ncluding the container height of course so it would still be maxing out the 30" grow box especially if there are lights eating some of that 30".
That first pic of all six of them was taken about 2/3 of the way through flowering



The Critical Cheese was the star of the show and I don't mind showing her off again here. . She was 19" tall if I remember right which I probably don't.

Rootball after harvest

Thank you so much for having taken time to find the pictures! The plants were beautiful! I know how small pots are difficult to manage in terms of water and nutrients so I guess you re a master grower! I hope to have results like that in my next grow which will be an attempt in rockwool. Thank you again!

 

[Weaselcracker]

Thanks mate. Definitely not a master grower. I got especially lucky with the Cheese. The rest were a mixed bag though mostly pretty good.
Really it wasn't a difficult grow- and having a nice aerated medium like coco makes it practical as a hydro-style grow. In a little pot like that they're getting watered so often. Keeps the roots happy.
Coco and rockwool can be overwatered when a plant is small but once they get a decent root system you're home free and cannot overwater- and you can just keep washing nutrients over those roots.
One complication was that since they needed multiple waterings each day, I made a simple auto-watering system with pump and timer and 1/4" lines. They all got the same nutrient mix and they were six very different strains with different needs- so it wasn't the best setup that way. Would be better to have all the same or similar feeders if you're going to do that.

 

[Mayne]

good luck man,

I currently doing same thing, but using 40oz containers from dollartree, and 5x 1 gallon fab pots.

I grow 12/12 start, top after 2nd node. Doing experiments such as topping, and supercropping the top after the 5th node.

Here, the taller ones are 23 days old, 18inches tall,and starting to show sex.. the smaller ones are 16 days from seed, and the smallest, are 8 days from seed. Have 5 more seeds getting ready to hit the germination papertowel.

I exspect to have 50% males, so keeping the train moving as I pull males. Im expecting 7-10 grams per plant.

the taller one, last pic, is from the same seed, and was 44 days from seed, and 44 inches tall. It was a male, which i pollenated my flowering FireOG, then Im going to use those seeds for my 12/12 project. By the looks of it, I will have a good 5,000 or so seeds, lol.

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[Mayne]

Thanks mate. Definitely not a master grower. I got especially lucky with the Cheese. The rest were a mixed bag though mostly pretty good.
Really it wasn't a difficult grow- and having a nice aerated medium like coco makes it practical as a hydro-style grow. In a little pot like that they're getting watered so often. Keeps the roots happy.
Coco and rockwool can be overwatered when a plant is small but once they get a decent root system you're home free and cannot overwater- and you can just keep washing nutrients over those roots.
One complication was that since they needed multiple waterings each day, I made a simple auto-watering system with pump and timer and 1/4" lines. They all got the same nutrient mix and they were six very different strains with different needs- so it wasn't the best setup that way. Would be better to have all the same or similar feeders if you're going to do that.

I've been using CocoLoco, but I water everyotherday. cuts some of the work out.
Ive done tests on watering this stuff, and it can go bone dry with no problems, but also can be watered everyday, with no problems, so ive come to the conclusion, everyotherday is a great watering plan, and save nutes in the long run.

with my 40oz containers, I water 1 cup worth, and 2 cups worth for the fabpots, ( which i wont get anymore ) i like my 40oz containers. Nice, sturdy base. better then solo cup.

jsut throwing that out there for ya guys. The cocoloco is aweome stuff, to get hydro effect and not as demanding and very forgiving.

That tall plant I piced above, was only watered 5 times, believe it or not. In cocoloco. Then, when i got enough use from him, i put in my basement for another 14 days, and STILL, didnt show signs of dehydration.

 

[flashmp3]

Thanks mate. Definitely not a master grower. I got especially lucky with the Cheese. The rest were a mixed bag though mostly pretty good.
Really it wasn't a difficult grow- and having a nice aerated medium like coco makes it practical as a hydro-style grow. In a little pot like that they're getting watered so often. Keeps the roots happy.
Coco and rockwool can be overwatered when a plant is small but once they get a decent root system you're home free and cannot overwater- and you can just keep washing nutrients over those roots.
One complication was that since they needed multiple waterings each day, I made a simple auto-watering system with pump and timer and 1/4" lines. They all got the same nutrient mix and they were six very different strains with different needs- so it wasn't the best setup that way. Would be better to have all the same or similar feeders if you're going to do that.

Thanks for the different advices! Can't wait to see my plants big enough to have enough root to be strong. This will as you said allow me to be less stressed when watering. I also plan to leave next month during one week. The plants should be big enough (they are between just sprouted and one week from sprout so should be OK). I have started feeding with advanced nutrients voodoo juice + piranha + tarantula + b52 to give them the best environment possible. The rockwool choice came after seeing grow pot cheaply video on YouTube. The links and explanations are in my thread around page 8. I harmed my current grow because of foliar spraying with terpinator at full max recommended dosage. I wasn't to start another grow before one year as I had taken time to train my plants well and they were going to a big harvest. However screwed it up. So I took time seeking the net for maximum new knowledges to make the next grow the best possible. Ended in planning to grow 10 plants in sog in rockwool. 8 of them will be in 6"x6"x6" rockwool cubes sitting on a mix of coco + platinum grow mix + tiny rockwool cube. Goal is to allow strong root development with great aeration. I ll post pictures when my current grow is over (within 2 weeks)

 

[magsteria]

Daaaaayum!!! This just made me more excited to start the sog solo cup :O those are gorgeous plants btw weasel and mayne. I think there was another photo but im not sure. Im super high right now and am experiencing short term memory loss. Lol. Probably just because im too lazy to scroll up. anyway. I read that having the lights on 12/12 from seedlings may cause a stunted growth but from a master grower like weasel, the ladies seems to like it based on the gorgeous bud porn :O i appreaciat you looking them up btw. Must have cost a few problems since they were a few years back.
Ill probably do 2 grow at 24/0 for 2 weeks and anothet 2 grow at 12/12 on a different grow space and compare em. Whoever grows faster would be the final light sched.

I got like 4 strains of unknown bagseed and they all are sativa dominant (from a previous stash). I know my head must be far up my bottom but i wanted to experiment on those bag seed and make my own strain? I just hope they wont be a disaster. Then again, ive been smoking for more than a decade now and i can tell that the high i experienced from them is ridiculously good. Good thing i labeled the bag seeds before from 1 to 10 depending on the potency. (maximum level for bag seed i currently have is 8 and this is compared with a bud)

Anywhoooo. Since im lazy, i ordered red solo cups online and it might take a few days before it gets here. (probably much easier if i go to a store but meeeh) a few bucks cheaper if i get them online xD

Ive also decided on using a 18oz cup for the grow btw. Is it any good?

 

[Weaselcracker]

Well the ones on 24/0 will grow faster.
Basically - the plants know how to count. They reach sexual maturity at a certain number of days which is usually between 20-40 days. At that point they start showing they're sex and are old enough that they will start to flower if the light schedule is right for that. So the plants under 12/12 from seed will flower when they reach maturity. But not before then.

They should reach sexual maturity at around the same number of days whichever light schedule they're on. Roughly speaking. I think.

Prior to that time- they're just growing and counting. The ones on 24/0 will grow more during this time, because they're getting 12 hours more of light each day.

 

[magsteria]

Thats an exellent point. Im thinking that ill probably do a pure 12/12 grow for this run. I want to avoid multiple colas in 1 plant and i hope i get a single cola bud. Kinda like the ones on your pic. Im not even sure that it would grow like that but ill probably stick with something that someone has been able to do with a hard evidence xD

I literally just started one since i got nothing to do. Didnt even germinate the seed and placed it directly in the small cup i found. I then covered it with a paper which has been done very poorly xD
Ill also be making a journal for this one but will probably do it once it pops out of the coco.

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• magsteria
• Apr 6, 2018

 

[Weaselcracker]

Roots don't appreciate transparent containers so much.

 

[Griffen loki]

Thats an exellent point. Im thinking that ill probably do a pure 12/12 grow for this run. I want to avoid multiple colas in 1 plant and i hope i get a single cola bud. Kinda like the ones on your pic. Im not even sure that it would grow like that but ill probably stick with something that someone has been able to do with a hard evidence xD

I literally just started one since i got nothing to do. Didnt even germinate the seed and placed it directly in the small cup i found. I then covered it with a paper which has been done very poorly xD
Ill also be making a journal for this one but will probably do it once it pops out of the coco.

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• magsteria
• Apr 6, 2018

Did you ever complete your trial sog if so how did it turn out. I’m thinking for my next grow a solo cup sog with clones straight to 12/12