Tokists' DWC Bagseed Grow Log

[Tokist]

day 10

nothin new to report today. my hydro guy was supposed to be back but i guess whatever marijuana event he went to must've been awesome.

i was thinkin about maybe switching the roles of the two rooms. use the bigger room for flowering and the small one for veg. i wouldn't use the ENTIRE room for flowering, just a small corner. my wife wouldn't appreciate that, lol.

the use of the bigger room would allow a bigger area for the heat from the light to dissipate! which means i could get away with using a bigger light! but this also means im going to have to setup pseudo walls to keep light from escaping the corner i'll be using.

i dunno... sigh. just tossin ideas around. either way, by tonight i'll have made a decision hopefully! im going to pick up a light.

the plants are lookin about the same. i noticed that at the base of the leaves, it looks like two leaves split off from the main leave. just thought that was kinda weird. is that normal? i'll post the pics for yesterday and today a bit later.

we've got errands to run!

 

[spring2012]

Good ideas! I'm learning!

 

[Tokist]

BAZINGA!

let's get this post started right! get our your jergens and your rags, gentlemen....






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those're the roots of the two babies chillin' in the ICU. i think it's safe to say they're well established. i went ahead and moved em to the dwc chamber with all the other little sprouts.

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i've since moved that sterilite container in the corner and cleaned things up a lot more. with the box fan going and the door cracked, it stays a cool 75F.

here're some close-ups of the sprouts that were in rockwool.

this one i put the three shittiest sprouts in. if any of these survive, i'll be amazed. a testament to how truly resilient this plant is. all in the name of science!
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the light is the little hydrofarm 150W HPS. once i cut out the males, i figure this much light'll be enough to support whatever females are remaining. i'll let these guys get used to their new home and root a bit then i'll flip the whole bitch to 12/12.

i also scored a bag of fox farms ocean mix. i'll snag a clone off one of the females and grow a separate plant organically using that 300W CFL. but that's gonna be a bit down the road.

cross your fingers gents. i'd like at least half-females.

oh, and here're the two slightly maturer plants in the DWC.

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as of right now, those two are ten days old. the sprouts are about five. maybe six. i kinda lost track. that's why we keep these logs though, right?

anyone here used koolbloom by genhydro?

 

[spring2012]

Nice set up great DIY!!! Ill keep watching

 

[iSmokes]

Everything is looking great man! Good news about the temps too. That 150 seems to be doing a good job, light seems nice.
I don't know anything about hydro setups, so this might be a stupid question:
Is it wise to put 2 plants in 1 net pot? I know that's a huge no no with soil.

 

[Tokist]

Everything is looking great man! Good news about the temps too. That 150 seems to be doing a good job, light seems nice.
I don't know anything about hydro setups, so this might be a stupid question:
Is it wise to put 2 plants in 1 net pot? I know that's a huge no no with soil.

a lot of conventional wisdom says that it's a huge no no for hydro too. i'm basing this build on an old thread from 2007. a guy had sprouted 30 seedlings and crammed about 15 of them per dwc res. i've got 9 and i'm figuring half of them will turn out to be female. so i should be ok. i've seen three and four plants sharing the same netcup. it's probably not recommend but it still works alright.

wish i still had the link to the thread. it might be on my netbook. actually... i think i linked to it in an earlier post.

 

[Tokist]

day 12

ok, not much to really post. one of the two bigger plants has some sort of discoloration on it since i've moved it. the rest of the plants are slowly getting used to their new home. the smaller plants are just now starting to push out roots from the rockwool and into the res. tomorrow or the day after they should have roots hanging into the solution like the bigger plants.

here's the spot i was tellin you about. (now that i see it, the opposite leaf had smaller spots on it too). that must be from the time i foliar fed with nute solution instead of rain water on accident.

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here's a couple of the other smaller plants. i didnt show all of them because they all look pretty much the same. except for the three losers in that one netpot....

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then we got these buggers. they look pretty dead and/or dying on the surface but after checking the roots, they've got more roots underneath spreading out then any of the other plants. sooo... i dunno what's goin on here. i guess time will tell....

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here's a cleaner shot of the entire operation:

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and here's that same closet if you were facing the other way!

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here's the bud i scored yesterday. it's some homegrown from my buddy's buddy. if this shit wasn't so hard to get a hole of on a regular basis i would not have resorted to growing my own

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unfortunately, from this point i don't think there'll be much to report on until these buggers roots get established. the other plant quadrupled it's roots in a couple of days, but we'll see. that being said, the next post should hopefully start with some kiddie root porn (is that bad that i say it like that?)

should i put the plants back under cool blue light? they're under an hps at the moment because as soon as they got a bit healthier i was gonna flip the switch on em. but i'm wondering if maybe they wouldn't grow roots faster and heal a bit better if they were under cool blue light?

thanks guys!

 

[Tokist]

medicated... CHECK!
tv goin for background noise... CHECK!
caffeine... CHECK!
cigarette... CHECK!

ALL SYSTEMS ONLINE. GO, GABBY, GO!

day 13... i think.

i really wanted to start this off with some root porn, but i wasn't able to get a good enough shot due to the lighting, so when my wife gets home from work i'll have her help me out. root porn after dark. mmm....

we've got some brown spotting on the bigger plants but i'll get to them last.

the little ones are doing pretty well. they all are about at the same point in root development; not very much at this point, but they've finally gotten past the rockwool and into the water. the only exception is the little trio of runts sharing a netcup. there's a bunch of root growth underneath and it's really hard to tell which plant(s) it's coming from. here's a shot of their above water development.

compare to a few days ago:
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i'm curious to see how they'll turn out.

here's the rest of the little ones. you'll notice the first and last have a bit of what appears to be nute burn on the tips. that tells me i'm at acceptable levels, so long as the burn doesn't go beyond that:

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this guy seems confused. it looks as if someone pinched that leaf off with their fingernail in a nice clean cut or something but that's how that leaf grew.

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the two big girls are showing pretty good signs of growth. they've adjusted well to their new home and are kickin' it into overdrive. those spots i noticed yesterday got worse. the next set of leaves seemed to be affected by the same thing. the newest set seems as of yet unaffected, so i'll stop foliar spray and see if that makes the difference. the other one is a bit behind on growth but has no spots or any other deficiencies i could notice. i turned the netcup around so the smaller one could get a bit more light. any ideas what those spots are from? maybe burn?

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why are the leaves turned up? normally when i see them turned up on other photos they look tight and stressed. but these don't seem that way. it's only on the one plant and only on a couple of leaves. odd.

im noticing that the plants are easy to move around in the hydroton. a little too easy. i wonder how things are going to work when it comes time to peform some LST or even a half-assed scrog. what's going to keep these plants from moving around in their netpots, possibly harming roots? or worse? im hoping the rootball will be heavy enough to act as a ballast. experienced growers probably scoff at this last paragraph, but having never grown hemp, i have no idea what to expect. and this being my first attempt at hydroponics, i REALLY am kinda playing it by ear.

Tokists' Book Corner!​

has anyone heard of the Child's Garden of Grass? it's a book written back in the seventies by a couple of hippies who tried to explain to a virgin world how great marijuana is. at least, that's how i remember it. they had a lot of hippie-dippie stuff like how to meditate (not for me), but it was still a pretty entertaining book. hard to find these days, though. gonna' go check amazon for a copy....

 

[Tokist]

aw man!

so i looked up childs garden of grass and found it's called a childs garden of grass: the official handbook for marijuana users. and the cheapest copy is fifty bucks! it goes for upwards of a thousand bucks for a new copy.

i used to own a copy when i lived up in canada. i left it at a buddies house and never went back for it. always figured i could always just buy another. but i guess not

 

[Tokist]

day 14

ok, so there's been lots of new growth. now that these babies got some roots under em, they're startin' to take off.

the bigger plants are doing great, except for the one with that ugly leaf problem. not sure what the discoloration is all about. none of the other plants suffer from it, so i wouldn't count it off as nute burn. the leaves that are affected worsen by the day. and it looks like the new leaves are having the same issues. they're starting to get little brown spots at the tip of the leaves.

does anyone know what that could be? all the charts point to nute burn but why arent the other plants affected as severely? some of the smaller ones have burnt tips, but that's where it ends. i'm thinkin ill just cut off the bad leaves....

here're the smaller plants.

and some of that root porn i promised last night but never delivered! thanks to my wife for the assistance!

 

[iSmokes]

I could be wrong about everything because it could be a hydro thing that I know nothing about, but here goes:
Looks like nute burn to me. Maybe your other strain can handle different nutes and you have to balance it out to make both happy. Did these seeds come out of the same bud? if not, and they're different strains for sure, then this could be your problem. Try decreasing your nute dose a little bit and see how they respond.
Just a theory..

Other than that, I know there's a lot of variables that could be upsetting your plants in a DWC. Sudden pH fluctuations could result in something like that? I'm sure there's lots of other stuff to look at in a hydro system.. can't be of much help there..

Other than that burn and the abnormal leaves thing, looking good. The roots look very healthy!

 

[spring2012]

Ismokes is on to something if different strains. Im not a hydro man myself but Im learning.

 

[Tokist]

ill just keep an eye on it and see where it goes. i hope its not something that keeps getting worse. if its nute burn im not really sure how i can fix that other than possibly diluting the hydro solution. but its only affecting the one plant, so im not going to go through all that work to fix it. either the plant gets used to it, or it dies.

mua hahahaha....

 

[spring2012]

May work through it! These plants can be tough!

 

[grogreen]

ill just keep an eye on it and see where it goes. i hope its not something that keeps getting worse. if its nute burn im not really sure how i can fix that other than possibly diluting the hydro solution. but its only affecting the one plant, so im not going to go through all that work to fix it. either the plant gets used to it, or it dies.

mua hahahaha....

I assume you've invested in a Ph tester? A an EC? Have you noticed any changes since the issue started? I also don't know much about hydro, could be a deficiency, doesn't look like nute burn, but a good member to ask about your issue is green knight, he's also got a DIY DWC going and seems to know what he's doing. Could be one of the above mentioned things or a combination or things, roots are looking super healthy though! Is the plant that's struggling in the net pot with the other seedlings? I remember you had one pot with three seeds in it, the roots might be choking each other out, I know its possible to grow multiples in one pot but does not work every time, roots get intertwined and deprived of oxygen and fight for space causing the plant to be stressed from the get go. May need to euthanize the smaller of them to give the big one all of the space for its roots.

 

[Tokist]

I assume you've invested in a Ph tester? A an EC? Have you noticed any changes since the issue started? I also don't know much about hydro, could be a deficiency, doesn't look like nute burn, but a good member to ask about your issue is green knight, he's also got a DIY DWC going and seems to know what he's doing. Could be one of the above mentioned things or a combination or things, roots are looking super healthy though! Is the plant that's struggling in the net pot with the other seedlings? I remember you had one pot with three seeds in it, the roots might be choking each other out, I know its possible to grow multiples in one pot but does not work every time, roots get intertwined and deprived of oxygen and fight for space causing the plant to be stressed from the get go. May need to euthanize the smaller of them to give the big one all of the space for its roots.

the plant with the unknown problem is sharing a net pot with another plant the same age. the other plant is unaffected by whatever the issue is. they are seeds from the same bud so I dunno bout the tolerance thing. there are three smaller plants sharing a net pot but those are fine.

I snipped the affected leaves so we shall see. the new set of leaves appear to have the same affliction though not near as bad. so maybe its wearing off.

 

[Tokist]

just talked to a fellow grower. he said he's seen that before. its some kinda infection that he never figured out how to get rid of. he said you can take it all the way to bud like that without issue though. I'm stumped.

 

[Muttt]

If you live in an apartment, and you really need to control temps in an actaul closet. There is one suggestion I have for you. measure the door. Then go down to your local hardware store and buy the absolute cheapest door they have. Ask them if they have a door that size that is damaged. They might sell it to you for a huge discount.

Anyway, bring the door home. Take the existing door off the hinges and put it away where it will stay safe. Put up the new door in it's place. Then, you can modify the new door all you want. If you need to vent, cut a hole in the door and mount a fan on the inside of the door. If you need a vent at the bottom to let the fresh air in ...... cut a hole in the door and install a vent. This also allows you to run a carbon filter to control the smell and route electrical wires out of the closet without having to leave the door open. This way, you can have more control over your temps and humidity.

Then, when it's time to move. You can replace the modified door with the original door and everything is back to the way it was. The home owner doesn't get his place ruined, and you get what you need without loosing your security deposit.

 

[Tokist]

the temps are fine. they stay at about 77. highest it gets in there is 81. was toying with the door idea a few weeks ago, but it's not necessary anymore as i've moved the operation from the tiny coat closet to the giant walk-in closet.

anyway, after classes today i went to check on my girls and wouldn't ya know it, they're all starting to suffer from that crazy, mystery disease. that being the case, i could safely assume that it's not an isolated incident and that there's a common denominator after all. first thing i checked was the ph. it was over 7!! i can't say for sure what it was, cuz im using the stupid dropper, but the color was def over 7.

so, i mixed a solution using some rain water and some ph down and added it to the res. something tells me that adding ph down directly to the res is a huge no no, and that diluting it in some water should help a bit.

sooo, the ph should be just under 6 right now, judging from the color. i assume the discoloration is a calcium deficiency based on the chart i've seen in the past. i was curious as to finding a supplement i could find in a foliar spray so the plants get the calcium that much quicker and RIGHT to the affected areas and found out that you can just get some calcium nitrate and put it into a water bottle at about 200ppm.

if you use cheap calcium ferts, they might have stuff that can burn the leaves in em. you know what? let me just copy and paste the source.

Make calcium solutions from calcium chloride (CaCl2). Fertilizer grade calcium nitrate (Ca(NO3)2) or liquid calcium preparations used for foliar feeding and vegetable crops frequently burn bracts. You should use refined grades of calcium chloride known as “laboratory” or “reagent” grade. Calcium chloride is available in the dihydrate or anhydrous forms; dihydrate is usually less expensive. Fertilizer grades of calcium chloride may contain enough impurities to burn the leaves or bracts of the poinsettias. Horticulture grade calcium nitrate has also been used without causing injury to poinsettia bracts.

not sure if i can provide the source, so if i can't, forgive me. click here. it's good info about calcium and plants, regardless.

anyways, i've made the ph adjustments. not sure how long it takes to notice a change, so i'll keep an eye on it. why would one plant exhibit symptoms of low ph several days before the rest of the plants? that makes it really hard to troubleshoot!

in a way, that sorta makes that plant the canary in the mineshaft, doesn't it?

 

[iSmokes]

Good luck with your pH tokist. I know nothing about hydro, but I can tell you something about your plants. If your pH was close to 8, and you dropped it to a little lower than 6, then that's a lot of change in little time. I hope a hydro expert will hop in and help you, but I really don't think you should be dropping pH that fast. Theoretically, your roots will not appreciate that sudden change.