I do read your grow journal and did read that you did just purchase a LED light. I gave you an invitation to include you in my new grow journal. What is your question about cloning?
20 Strains from Seed to Harvest
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So my cloning issues
My cuttings aren't rooting after 15+ days so I got some clonex solution and added it at half strength to try that also finally got me a ppm tester and checked my filtered (using that term lightly) at 430 ppm and with solution is sitting around 650/ Res temps are sitting right around 81 - 83 degrees. So my next step is going to be to get some 0 ppm water and work from there. My PH is set to 5.8 - 6.1. My cycle is on 24/7. The newest round of clones ran with clonex are 4.5 days old so at least 4.5 days until I should see some roots. Hopefully I see some positive results as this is my only stopping point of some good production of 15 types of bud.
My cuttings aren't rooting after 15+ days so I got some clonex solution and added it at half strength to try that also finally got me a ppm tester and checked my filtered (using that term lightly) at 430 ppm and with solution is sitting around 650/ Res temps are sitting right around 81 - 83 degrees. So my next step is going to be to get some 0 ppm water and work from there. My PH is set to 5.8 - 6.1. My cycle is on 24/7. The newest round of clones ran with clonex are 4.5 days old so at least 4.5 days until I should see some roots. Hopefully I see some positive results as this is my only stopping point of some good production of 15 types of bud.
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Can't wait to see how these all turn out, definitely subscribing. I've started from seed myself on my grow journal (Purple Widow, Bay Dream, Berry Bomb).
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My measurement for last week on my little cooler aero cloner
23 Fresh Clones
6 Gallons of H2O
3 oz Cloning Solution
.25 oz Ph Down
665 ppm
5.7 ph
Now I checked yesterday but didn't record it will take a reading tonight but I do know ppm was in the 700's and ph was around 6.1 or 6.3 after one week.
OK so current #'s for one week and half a day later since taking the clones so 7.5 days in the cloner.
22 one week old cuttings
didn't measure the gallons of H2O
no new cloning solution
no new ph down
792 PPM
6.06 PH
After examine every cutting found 2 with roots and 7 with little white root nubs a few with bumps. So the problem may just be my big cloner and the heat build up as its not a dollar store cooler but an expensive igloo that has great insulation I may hook up a radiator for it as everything else but temps seem to be identical. I wanted to let the little 24 hole cloner go for another week with the same cuttings but just found out 13 of my 22 cuttings are from male plants and who the hell needs 23 male clones so for data purposes I should keep them but production purposes I shouldn't. So I will think on what would be best long term for now but I think cloning might be better now but without enough data I can not determine this.
Ok so % are
4.3% death loss
8.7 % Rooted
30.4% with root nubs showing
56.5 % no action
This is a little over 7 days and I know I still have a good 5 days before I should really expect results but im thinking I will end up removing the males which would only increase the time for me to get useable data.
23 Fresh Clones
6 Gallons of H2O
3 oz Cloning Solution
.25 oz Ph Down
665 ppm
5.7 ph
Now I checked yesterday but didn't record it will take a reading tonight but I do know ppm was in the 700's and ph was around 6.1 or 6.3 after one week.
OK so current #'s for one week and half a day later since taking the clones so 7.5 days in the cloner.
22 one week old cuttings
didn't measure the gallons of H2O
no new cloning solution
no new ph down
792 PPM
6.06 PH
After examine every cutting found 2 with roots and 7 with little white root nubs a few with bumps. So the problem may just be my big cloner and the heat build up as its not a dollar store cooler but an expensive igloo that has great insulation I may hook up a radiator for it as everything else but temps seem to be identical. I wanted to let the little 24 hole cloner go for another week with the same cuttings but just found out 13 of my 22 cuttings are from male plants and who the hell needs 23 male clones so for data purposes I should keep them but production purposes I shouldn't. So I will think on what would be best long term for now but I think cloning might be better now but without enough data I can not determine this.
Ok so % are
4.3% death loss
8.7 % Rooted
30.4% with root nubs showing
56.5 % no action
This is a little over 7 days and I know I still have a good 5 days before I should really expect results but im thinking I will end up removing the males which would only increase the time for me to get useable data.
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Ok so went ahead and pull 11 of the males left one of each type bubblegum and sour amnesia and replaced with 12 train wrecks as I like this one so far the best as far as bud density and good smoke goes.
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And now some cloner porn these were taken before I took the twelve out the dead one pictured the three rows on the right where all male forgot to get the one with the good root forming one is blowing up with roots shes snow white and they defiantly aren't seven little dwarfs they are growing by the hour lol.
So a few 2 have good roots but the snow white just exploded
Three different types of sprayers 2 from home depot and 3rd from htg supply the home depot ones I got two of the same type and the blue ones are better then the red I wish the mister worked better it would be awesome if I could get it the way I have it in my mind.
So a few 2 have good roots but the snow white just exploded
Three different types of sprayers 2 from home depot and 3rd from htg supply the home depot ones I got two of the same type and the blue ones are better then the red I wish the mister worked better it would be awesome if I could get it the way I have it in my mind.
You may want to switch out your sprayers for some Misting Jets like the ones in "G. Misting Jets" on this website.
Lee Valley Tools - Important Announcement
You would get a much finer mist similar to Low Pressure Aeroponics fine mist using those Misting Jets.
Lee Valley Tools - Important Announcement
You would get a much finer mist similar to Low Pressure Aeroponics fine mist using those Misting Jets.
GrowingNow,
If your PPM out of tap is that high, then I would SERIOUSLY consider investing in an RO unit, I got one for less then $200 installed under sink and my PPM out of the RO water tap is ~10-15 PPM tops.
I think that and just using Clonex solution at 4 ml/Gallon and adjusting pH to 5.8-6.2 and I think you be fine, I do not measure PPM for my cloning solution. Had 100% success last 2 runs, using rockwool cubes, but your cloners should be fine, assuming getting good mist. I was using a cloner but broke a sprayer and just have not replaced,had some rockwool cubes so just using those.
Grats on the nice LED!
I would HIGHLY recommend using sunglasses at a minimum when tent open and lights one. Personally I use a pair of welding glasses and even then I try and avoid looking directly at light. I bought them off amazon for $10.
RES temp seems a bit high too, but that would just slow rooting not stop completely.
If your PPM out of tap is that high, then I would SERIOUSLY consider investing in an RO unit, I got one for less then $200 installed under sink and my PPM out of the RO water tap is ~10-15 PPM tops.
I think that and just using Clonex solution at 4 ml/Gallon and adjusting pH to 5.8-6.2 and I think you be fine, I do not measure PPM for my cloning solution. Had 100% success last 2 runs, using rockwool cubes, but your cloners should be fine, assuming getting good mist. I was using a cloner but broke a sprayer and just have not replaced,had some rockwool cubes so just using those.
Grats on the nice LED!
I would HIGHLY recommend using sunglasses at a minimum when tent open and lights one. Personally I use a pair of welding glasses and even then I try and avoid looking directly at light. I bought them off amazon for $10.
RES temp seems a bit high too, but that would just slow rooting not stop completely.
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Cool thanks brother I will prob pick one up here pretty quick I had gotten a Filtrate water filter sink system from wal mart. Needless to say it doesn't do the job but I used a weaker solution then recommended with it and I have one clone that its roots have exploded in under 9 days its ready to be planted. Threw out half of the cuttings essentially since they were males so looking to see how they finish up after 12 days. The smaller dollar store still decent cooler is the more successful one and keeps temps around 81. I got three different types of sprayers and great coverage and thinking of adding more. I started off thinking less is more just make sure u have coverage. Then as I have built version 2.0 and 3.0 I am going with stack em as many sprayers and different types lol if one fails you have coverage with many many sprayers. And ya that TOPLED 900 is fing bright it literally take time for your eyes to readjust to regular lighting. But until I have seen and produced good bud with it its just a nice toy.
Here is some bud porn for you for something grown under my mars 2 1200, you should see same result, ignore the nanners that my fault...
And I firmly believe there is better to be had from this light, I still am not that skilled. I got great ideas but still less then year under my belt of growing since the 1990's when I strictly grew outdoor in the tropics for a few years.
And I firmly believe there is better to be had from this light, I still am not that skilled. I got great ideas but still less then year under my belt of growing since the 1990's when I strictly grew outdoor in the tropics for a few years.
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^ really what does this have to do with my grow or anyones grow
crawdaddy them look good are you getting good density from your buds my trainwreck from my 400 HPS the nugs could have been used to hammer nails and the Hawaiian snow I could have used as a pillow it was so fluffy I cant wait to see my girls in a full cycle with them. As it is I have 12 2L in weeks 3,4,and 5. So will be able to see some results also old mothers and seedlings I didn't need that are in week 2so they should all produce well. Now if I can just get my big igloo cooler cloner working at under 85 degress. The insulation makes it to effective I have to work up a heat exchange somehow. Got a few ideas I know you can just freeze two liters and the like but that's not a solution to the problem that's a quick fix and I would rather have a solution then a quick fix.
crawdaddy them look good are you getting good density from your buds my trainwreck from my 400 HPS the nugs could have been used to hammer nails and the Hawaiian snow I could have used as a pillow it was so fluffy I cant wait to see my girls in a full cycle with them. As it is I have 12 2L in weeks 3,4,and 5. So will be able to see some results also old mothers and seedlings I didn't need that are in week 2so they should all produce well. Now if I can just get my big igloo cooler cloner working at under 85 degress. The insulation makes it to effective I have to work up a heat exchange somehow. Got a few ideas I know you can just freeze two liters and the like but that's not a solution to the problem that's a quick fix and I would rather have a solution then a quick fix.
Spammer bleh!
One solution would be to buy a $200 ex cloner lol.
Seriously though, some how you have to get the pump out of water. IMO that is what heats the water, at least with mine I think it was.
I just use rock wool cubes now. But part of that is I trying a hydro method done by a user on here and copied by many with good results, The Cap'n.
From reading around here the general consensus seems to be that nugs grown under Led are denser and not as big as hps buds. I not used hps so I can not speak, but my buds are dense just not the biggest.
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Sweet I just found out my bonus for last month is 3k so I am going to pick up another one or two of the LED's, and one or two light rails still trying to decide how I want to spend this bonus lol.
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Lol I paid my dues General Manager for two stores but spend 15 years as a chef toiling away in hot kitchens working 14 hour days.
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So just picked up a 10k BTU Portable AC and A R/O DI water filter from home depot going to be a busy day.
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ya waters from 400ppm to sitting at 50 ppm with the first test now just building up enough water to start my cloner up from scratch again so I can take a look at the #'s but they looked decent last run before I had to pull half of them being that they where males. My mothers are all begging to be cloned and 23 holes just isn't going to cut it and I cant find the cheap damn cooler at any dollar store I know I could use something else but damn I love this design on this one.
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R/O filter in and water is down to next to nothing and the new a/c's hooked up room will easily get to low low low if I want to. Mom's are massive and the new moms are developing nicely. Should start the last of my seeds which include Big Bang and White Rhino. The first round of 2L are getting close. The stalks on the fan leaves are getting sticky its sick how much resin there is I love Advanced Nutrients. Sour D is forming a massive long cola and my jacks seem to form big thick colas. All of these two liter girls were under 4" when started.
Got some good buds forming 
FYI if your camera has a custom white balance setting you can use it to take pics of the plants under the LEDs that are more 'natural' in color.
FYI if your camera has a custom white balance setting you can use it to take pics of the plants under the LEDs that are more 'natural' in color.
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