Bagseed Indoor 600W MH/HPs Airpot Sensi Tent

[SauronBlue]

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Big day today! I got both plants in 5gal pots! The roots didn't look too bad, even when I got them all the way open. It seemed like such a small difference, at first when I put the 1.5gal into the 5gal to check how much dirt to fill, it was almost as wide. It did take quite a few cups of soil on the bottom to raise the height up enough, and even that little space on the sides took more soil to fill than I thought. After getting them in the new pots, I gave them each 1gal of 1000/6.25 water, and I had to redo the LST, because the lines were connected to the pot. I decided to give P1 a bit more of a long shape, to accommodate P2's square shape taking up the tent. While doing the LST, I realized that P1 had a pretty bad break at the base of an upper branch. I guess it wasn't so L while I was ST lol. I put a zip tie around the wound, which was actually more open and wet than this picture really shows.
They're obvi a lot heavier, so I think it's time to stop taking them out of the tent to water, and finally set up my watering wand instead. In the next 2 days, I'm going to move the clones out, set up the quantum board, and start flowering. Iam very happy to see that even though the temps had gone up to about 80° during a warm morning, they leaves all stayed nice and happy. I didn't post the pics I took over the last couple days, but the plants have stayed happier with the more frequent waterings

 

[SauronBlue]

My Browser keeps doing this thing, when I open it, this page comes up with my last post still in edit mode, as if I never posted. I refresh, and it still seems like nothing happens. When I go ahead and post, to keep from losing my post, I see it's now posted double. Don't know how to stop that. I have to type this to cover up the double post, as I can't find any way to just erase

 

[SauronBlue]

The bud sites have all turned up to the light overnight. Everything looks really good to me. I'm happy with the nice, even canopy. The only thing worrying me right now is this break on the upper node of main growth on P2. It looks like it's under a lot of pressure, so I may need to stake those branches up.

 

[SauronBlue]

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Look long enough,and I'm bound to find something wrong LOL

I just noticed the first yellowing or damaged leaves on P1 after about 1 day from transplant. Dull green leaves with spots on them, and a leaf way down under everything has gone full yellow. P2 seems to have even higher nodes affected by it's weirdness. I'm also sseing burnt tips again, like last time I went to 1000ppm. I don't know what is causing the issue, so I'm going back to basics. I finally set up the RO part of my water filter. It's coming out slow af, but I took a reading after throwing out the first 30min of filtered water, and it has a ppm of 14. I don't feel the need to put the DI filter on for a true zero. Now I will know exactly what they're getting, so at least it won't have that mystery. These clones are screaming to be potted, so I think I'll get to that today. I can't understand how that one has burnt tips, when there's no nutes, and just a touch of root hormone, like 1-2ml for 3gal. It's like an emotional roller-coaster, watching them thrive, then languish, not knowing what's next.

 

[Silverfox125]

It's like an emotional roller-coaster, watching them thrive, then languish, not knowing what's next.

I have never agreed with something so much lol.

 

[SauronBlue]

I've just kept going all day! Aside from some last minute shopping, I've spent the whole day on plant issues. I've got a full 10 gallons of RO water filtered, and I'm working on the last 5gal jug of the night. I mixed up 5gal of feed for the big plants, just to have it ready for tomorrow.

I know this is gonna sound crazy, but I put those clones with like 10" long roots into solo cups. I really wanted to put them straight into 1.5gal pots, but I had only enough soil for one pot that size, after unexpectedly using an extra 7gal of soil on the big ones, and I hadn't thought to stock up again. They should be fine, as I can transplant them in a week or 2, before things get crazy tight in there- but I needed to get them in something before they cannibalized themselves for want of food. I didn't feel like tossing the old nutes with the carbon filtered water, so I just cut it with 1:1 ratio of RO water, giving me a ppm of 600, and ph right on the mark. All together they took 1l to soak up.

After that, I decided to put up the sun LOL. Dunno why I decided to put the board in while the HID was still hanging, as is 3 minutes of dark for my 24/0 veg plants would be a problem. Sometimes my mind just defaults to the most complicated path available, I think. I managed to get them in, then out, with only one close call, of almost breaking the tube and killing a plant at the same time. I've left the ducting loose and simple for now. I tucked the intake to point below the light, and the exhaust drawing right off of the ballast. I haven't wrapped the intake, I'll see how it goes when the weather dips again.

 

[SauronBlue]

Merry Christmas !!!!







You need some nugs to work up to the milk n' cookies!

 

[SauronBlue]

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I'm trying to take good pics of the leaves, because it's easy for everything to look more green and even than real life, in the pics. Granted, I'm happy overall, but I want to see green throughout, from seed to harvest (or at least flush). This is looking like calcium def to me, so I did add 7ml of cal-mag to 5gal (reco. is 17.5ml), and the feed ended up at 815ppm/6.30. That's starting from 10ppm/6.95 RO water. I'm hoping that whatever was bothering the plants, maybe locking out some cal, are gone now, leaving them to flourish. We'll see...
So, I gave P1 3l, and P2 4l before I had what I think is enough runoff, not just a couple drips on one side. Kind of hard to see under the plants, now that the whole lift and saucer are covered by the bigger pots. Gonna have to upgrade those things. I turned the light down to about 75%, just to see how they like it, before giving them full strength. I'll feel better to give full light to healthy leaves.
I've had to completely turn off the exhaust to keep temps above 60°. With this light on dim, the tent is at almost the same temp as the outer room, maybe 3° higher, with a just nominal amount of air making it thru the ducting on it's own. The MH cool-tube was raising the temp about 10 degrees, with a good flow of cold air pumping thru it and the sweating ducts (which no longer sweat, as almost no air is using them). The humidity has been low, hovering around 40%, so I'll have to watch if that. It does seem to be a water issue on the leaves, as low rH seems to speed it up, and bring on more signs as the leaves transpire faster. Fingers crossed that this is just what my babies were wanting for Christmas LOL

 

[SauronBlue]

I've got my plants under the r-Spec light, but I haven't switched to flower because I want to see them a bit more green and vibrant before flipping them. I haven't seen any change since watering with the new formula. It's good that they haven't gotten noticeably worse, but They haven't made a clear turnaround, either. I put the clones in the closet, with a t5 over them. I'm not sure what lighting I'll use as they get bigger. I'll have to run some tests on what will work in that space, which is hard to ventilate.

 

[SauronBlue]

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It was probably more me wanting to get some water to these girls that will straighten them out, but I had a couple branches giving me a droopy look that made me decide that they could take the watering tonight. I boosted up the cal-mag, from my low dose to the reco. of 3.5ml/gal. This brought the mix to 860/6.35. Each plant got about 3L before I saw some drips start.
I really think these symptoms are cal and mag deficiency, so I'm hoping that staying the course, and giving them what I am now will right things. At the same time, I know issues can exist 4-6 weeks before symptoms show, so they might not show the turnaround so quickly, either. I have been noticing what I now think might've been mag def the whole time, but I thought it might just be the natural color of the new growth in this strain. They say your 3rd cycle with any particular grow is the first one that you really get it right. You need to get to know your strain, your environment, your nutes and water, and it's not until your third go with any new variable, before you really dial it in. That's my excuse LOL

 

[Silverfox125]

They say your 3rd cycle with any particular grow is the first one that you really get it right. You need to get to know your strain, your environment, your nutes and water, and it's not until your third go with any new variable, before you really dial it in. That's my excuse LOL

i feel this is an accurate statement. I always do better my second or third run. You can anticipate the needs better.

looking good.

 

[Hydroholic]

I started in DWC reservoir made by BC northern lights with a circulating chiller. I then went to 5 gallon buckets. I prefer either Rockwool or Hydrotron over coco or other mediums. I also don’t like drip systems because I tend to be lazy and that’s extra to clean. I am really not liking soil because of all the work every 3 days. I like cleaning my reservoir once a week and mixing nutrients and being done for the week. I clean my meters when I clean my reservoir by spraying them off with water. I don’t use any solvent to clean them. I only leave my Blue Lab PH doser meter in the Solution. I drop my guardian in and remove and clean each time I use it.

 

[MrSauga]

Hi Sauron,
I saw your post in the MC thread. Maybe I can help a bit as well. What's the N ratio of your calmag?
How much water and how often are they being watered?
Are you watering to runoff?

 

[SauronBlue]

Hi Sauron,
I saw your post in the MC thread. Maybe I can help a bit as well. What's the N ratio of your calmag?
How much water and how often are they being watered?
Are you watering to runoff?

I had been watering the 1.5gal pots about 1.5L every 3 days, then 2 days. The 5gal pots have taken 1gal and 3L on the 2 feedings they got, 2 days apart. I have botanicare cal-mag, it's 2-0-0. I always water until they give a bit of runoff from multiple spots, not just one drip.

 

[MrSauga]

Do you get any runoff? I think it may be just a case of feeding them more frequently. The plants look good just a little light in color. I think it's hungry for more frequent waterings.

 

[MrSauga]

I think you said you were feeding 6g MC and 3.5mL of calmag per gal correct?
Can you also tell me how much Ca is in the Calmag you have?

 

[MrSauga]

Disregard runoff question. I missed it the first time. Sorry.

 

[SauronBlue]

Do you get any runoff? I think it may be just a case of feeding them more frequently. The plants look good just a little light in color. I think it's hungry for more frequent waterings.

Have you noticed the leaves with rust spots all over them? That doesn't look very good. You have to click the pic to get the full view, then the magnifying glass to zoom in, if you want to see the detail. The tops of P1, which was the healthier one, are looking like the same red spots are going to pop up there next. One leaf on that plant looks just toxic. P2 is yellow on quite a few leaves, and I've pulled off the ones that went brown, and can no longer help by contributing their minerals. Even the very top growth looks striped, not fully green. I'm not saying that they look like death's door just yet, but there has been a progression from bottom to top, and increasing scale and severity, that I think it needs addressing.

I think you said you were feeding 6g MC and 3.5mL of calmag per gal correct?
Can you also tell me how much Ca is in the Calmag you have?

Here's the label, looks like 3.2%, 1.2%mg

 

[MrSauga]

Have you noticed the leaves with rust spots all over them? That doesn't look very good.

Yes I did... Ca def. Are the pots light when you are watering? Sorry for all the questions but before I want to suggest anything I'd like to understand more about those small 1.5 gal pots. What happens when you go to 6.5 g of MC? Are the tips burning?

 

[SauronBlue]

I've refreshed this page at least 5 times since this says you posted. Oh well.
I'm not in the 1.5gal pots anymore, but they were light when I moved them to water. I posted before that it's not something that I see as a skill that I have. They're lighter than when they're full, but how do I know from that if they're "empty"? They're constantly growing, so even if I knew exactly how much they weigh by lifting them (which I very much don't), how much of that is the new growth vs water? I just don't get how that's an easy way to tell. Now that they are in 5gal pots, I don't even bother trying to throw my back out, leaning over in weird ways to get at the pot and lift it. Now I look for the leaves to droop about 2 days after the last watering.
I haven't gone to 6.5g of MC, I went from 5.5 to 6, backed off for tip burn, changed ph from 6.7 to 6.3 (9 days ago) at 5.5g, went to RO at 6g, added about 1.5ml/gal of c/m first, then the full dosage of 3.5ml/gal c/m- still in 6g/gal MC. I agree that I seem to have cal/mag issues, but fixing the ph, and now adding cal-mag hasn't made me feel like the sickness is breaking. I'm dying to flip them into flower, but I want to start on the best foot possible. I used to let the temps get over 90°, water when it was convenient for me, not the plants, etc. I'm really trying to do the best I can, and it's stressing me out for these to be getting progressively worse, in spite of my efforts. The size is great, but I need to get the leaves green