Help Us Find 420-Friendly Names For Inappropriate Strains

[mcloadie]

Mcloadie it is so good to find a fellow plant enthusiast on here and not just pot. I am completely consumed with learning more about plant life around us and have always been encouraged by my Dad to think outside of the box when it comes to production techniques.
He was a foremost scientist and has the patents on several herbicides in use still today. Now before some organic proponent accuses him of poisoning our planet with his products let me say that he was constantly working on coming up with products that were effective with the least environmental impact. Some of his instructors were no less than Aldo and Carl Leopold!
He helped me on our farm to come up with non-chemical cultural techniques or minimal pesticide use techniques that I now see in use today. Things like the use of trap crops, cover crops and mulches. But to any idea he would say, You know, we will never know unless we try." So we would and I learned alot from that man and my Grandfather.Mcloadie I think that we should be friends on here so look for my request!

I will look for that request sir, and I'm happy to have met you. Yes, I'm quite happy to grow anything........our main challenge in the world today is to make it all work out on paper. I have the credentials to get funding, as long as there is a means to an end. Purpose and profitability. Like ornamental s, I can tie up a greenhouse for a run, if there's a reward in the end, research or profit. The problem for small timers like me is that there are lots of hungry graduates fresh out of school....brilliant ones. A facility that would provide a setting for viable research would in itself be astronomical financially. As time marches on and the money holders see the potential profitability, the money for research will become available....for those who are in the right place at the right time. Change is slow to come to the 'hippie growers"...as I have heard then referred to, which may be attributed to older growers...or those who have simply gotten by using old outdated technique......so, for the moment I carry out simple, fundamental technique, and if I have a question I carry out simple experiments.........as best as I can adhere to scientific methods of gathering conclusions, while still maintaining "the buck".............which is the best I can hope to do in my environment.

 

[mcloadie]

In a sense, banning certain names would also be demonizing as well. I would agree that 8 ball and Agent Orange perhaps have no redeeming qualities. On the other hand, cannabis has a great many beneficial properties, not the least of which are its psychoactive, mystical and meditative. The documentary DMT, the spirit molecule, argues for a relegitimization of the traditional shamanistic pursuit for spiritual wisdom, a position with which I am in full agreement. Should we also ban such names as 'Aspirin Haze' or 'Tequila Blossom' if some breeders decide to use those?

It can be a slippery slope and while I too find some names outright distasteful, perhaps simply not posting (or reading) threads which you find offensive is a less censorious solution. I am growing the 'Lucy' strain myself right now, and the name is not arbitrary, as it is supposedly representative of the strains characteristics. If people really object, my feeling is they should mount counter-campaigns, boycott strains or breeders, make thoughtful posts. But don't impose censorship.

I agree that censorship is out of the question....at any point in time for any reason. As for me, I gravitate towards my roots and education. To be taken seriously, we are going to see some changes.......

 

[uptheholler]

Mcloadie we could not agree more. I have for 40 years prided myself on coming up with cost effective answers to complex growing problems. I was able to consistantly produce marketable crops of homegrown strawberries in unheated tunnels by Easter for years. That is 6 weeks minimum before conventionally grown strawberries come to market. I am now working on attempting to grow non tradtional crops in an area just outside of their hardiness zone by cropping the area between greenhouses and making use of the microclimate that is created by the solar collection of the houses. It may mean the ability to consistantly grow apricots, or figs etc in an area where normally that would be iffy at best if not impossible! It's a ball thinking and living with a "What if?" mentality. I often wonder why more people don't try it? My work in cloche production of pot wouild make secure early greenhouse type stealth grows cost effective for everyone in the world. God I must be some kind of weirdo because I get truly excited by these kind of things.

 

[Richard Richardson]

In a sense, banning certain names would also be demonizing as well. I would agree that 8 ball and Agent Orange perhaps have no redeeming qualities. On the other hand, cannabis has a great many beneficial properties, not the least of which are its psychoactive, mystical and meditative. The documentary DMT, the spirit molecule, argues for a relegitimization of the traditional shamanistic pursuit for spiritual wisdom, a position with which I am in full agreement. Should we also ban such names as 'Aspirin Haze' or 'Tequila Blossom' if some breeders decide to use those?

It can be a slippery slope and while I too find some names outright distasteful, perhaps simply not posting (or reading) threads which you find offensive is a less censorious solution. I am growing the 'Lucy' strain myself right now, and the name is not arbitrary, as it is supposedly representative of the strains characteristics. If people really object, my feeling is they should mount counter-campaigns, boycott strains or breeders, make thoughtful posts. But don't impose censorship.

This is not about censorship, Pantagruel. We are a cannabis only website, trying to bring cannabis awareness to the world. Implying that cannabis is related to hard drugs, or referencing them with strain names hurts our cause.

No matter how psychedelic you may feel that your Lucy strain is, the effect is not the same as the drug that the name references and we should not encourage the perception of it being so. The same goes for all the "Hard drug" referencing strains.

We encourage the perception of cannabis as a medicinal plant, not as a drug.

We want cannabis to be completely legal and that means breaking down the walls of ignorance, misinformation and public fear that have been built up over the years of prohibition, not adding bricks in the form of questionable strain names; linking stoners with junkies, a lifegiving plant with an agent of death and a mature pasttime with childrens' activities.

We cannot influence a breeders unfortunate naming decisions, but we can try as a community to foster a positive image for our beloved plant.

That is what this thread is all about and yes, we probably would have issues with strains named after alcohol or pharmaceutical drugs.

 

[uptheholler]

Have the folks at 420 ever considered hosting a cannabis conference? I am not talking about a pot-a-con where sponsors set up and everyone in the world who wants to cop a buzz attends. I think that hemp fests and in the old days Dead tours pretty much have that covered. But more of an invitation only conference where the total scope of the agenda is covered.
A conference with presentations similar to a fruit and vegetable growers congress which is held in different states all over every year.

Presentations are made by experts in their respective fields to selected interested people who then basically go out and become unified disciples. I would suggest obviously cultural techniques, how to better serve the medicinal field, food production and delivery options, genetics advancements and ,in line with this thread, marketing strategies. I would think that this should be a road show type event so that invited parties from different parts of the area could be involved. I would then be followed up with a conference/congress publication summarizing all of the input. This of course would be on line in nature and then shared with everyone.

It gives specialists a chance to meet and comittee together in brain storming forums and could be very productive if properly managed. I would think that you would want to keep it fairly on the down low because of undesired media attention, but I also think that it would be a great opportunity for sponsors to make contacts with the most serious customers in the business.
I know for a fact that vendors at the fruit and veg congresses do a bang up business at each one.

I just thought that i wuold run it up the old flag pole!

 

[mcloadie]

Mcloadie we could not agree more. I have for 40 years prided myself on coming up with cost effective answers to complex growing problems. I was able to consistantly produce marketable crops of homegrown strawberries in unheated tunnels by Easter for years. That is 6 weeks minimum before conventionally grown strawberries come to market. I am now working on attempting to grow non tradtional crops in an area just outside of their hardiness zone by cropping the area between greenhouses and making use of the microclimate that is created by the solar collection of the houses. It may mean the ability to consistantly grow apricots, or figs etc in an area where normally that would be iffy at best if not impossible! It's a ball thinking and living with a "What if?" mentality. I often wonder why more people don't try it? My work in cloche production of pot wouild make secure early greenhouse type stealth grows cost effective for everyone in the world. God I must be some kind of weirdo because I get truly excited by these kind of things.

Not weird at all, you are doing things, things that aren't so commonly accomplished, but you have a vision that they aren't so far away that you can still make it happen...good for you! Microclimates.....yes! The meetings still scare me, I am always ready to live by what I deem as appropriate behaviour....since we all share the world....and I still have activities that are controversial at least! Controversial in the general eye, not harmful, or aggressive to anyone.....the world just isn't up to speed with the way I think AND live.......I believe that it's my obligation to break any stupid, oppressive law that contradicts my beliefs.....just my propensity for civil disobedience in the face of ignorant rules that are designed to make me more oppressed and less free, while lining the pockets of politicians and people who take more than they give, in the name of greed and a total disregard for human life and humanity for that matter. I however do meet with folks....all the time...we discuss or industry and everyone has ideas that would further our cause. Out of all my ranting I have found that those folks who are following a simple plan are doing better......though it may not appear that way for now......on a whole...seeing the big picture, rather than offing high quality products for a pittance.....and then running out of funding before the next crop comes in. They will fade away...........

 

[toker69]

Just to this discussion and keep it on track, here are the strains we want to rename:

GirlScoutCookies: Referencing a children's group
Green Crack: Referencing a hard drug
Herijuana: Referencing a hard drug
8 Ball Kush: Referencing a hard drug
Opium: Referencing a hard drug
LSD: Referencing a hard drug
Agent Orange:Referencing a chemical used in the Vietnam war that killed/maimed 400,000 people and 500,000 children were born with birth defects as a result.

GirlScoutCookies = TastyCookies
Green Crack = Head Slap
Herijuana = Potjuana
8 Ball Kush = Kush8
LSD = THC gold
Agent Orange = Agent Green

 

[toker69]

Oh I left out Opium!

Opium = Optimum

 

[toker69]

I suggest to gather names, and promote a monthly vote like the member of the month. Gaining widespread participation of the community in renaming could help popularize a new name. Do one a month for seven months. The most voted name wins the suggester a prize.

 

[Lady Cannafan]

They have a poll feature here on
That might work too.

And I'll be darned if I can find that feature now. LOL I know I've taken part in a couple recently from growers wanting yeys or nays on their plants.

 

[Richard Richardson]

I like the idea of waiting 7 months to rename all the strains Hold on......No I dont
The other suggestions were good, though

A poll of sorts is what we have in mind,

but we need as many suggestions and as much input from as many members as possible here first.

Please follow Toker69's lead and share your ideas, keeping this thread on topic is essential.

 

[toker69]

I just think celebrating each new name would help bring the change you want because change doesn't just happen overnight. Sure you could police the threads to ensure more positive names are in use in an overnight scenario, but that may cause ill will among the membership. Also tho it seems now to be a seven month project strains continue to arrive. Names with a "shock value" tend to stick in your head. More poorly chosen names most likely will become part of this list. An ongoing project would be prepared for that. Just my two cents. I'm done. Thanks!!

 

[Smoke2Js]

I believe LSD from Barneys Farm already has an acceptable name, and one that has been in use for a while here at 420magazine.com . That name is Lucy, and it works just fine.

The problem with "new" strains always appearing, policing is a problem. I believe the only way to do this right is to give them Latin names, then translate that to relevant language of today. This will happen eventually with the cannabis genome mapping going on. All these names will eventually be changed, to Latin, by the research people. That is one job i would love to have, growing all those plants , which in my mind would include "sample sessions" of course.

So bear with me, Cannabis Indica Purpura Kush , ror Purple Urkle.
Cannabis Hybrida Vaccinium, for Blueberry

Cannabis Hybrida Viridis Fragor, for Green Crack

Cannabis Hybrida Lux Caelum Diamas , for LSD

 

[uptheholler]

The genus and species available to us will always be limited to just 3. Cannabis Sativa , Indica and Ruderalis. I believe most breeders will use numeric or alpha numeric names in their research. I worked on a large research farm for a company in the seventies as an intern.
Professional breeders will likely ID strain's percentages of lineage and population numbers. For example they might go with a population of crosses of Afghan and Mexican. Initially since in the first generation the line would be 50/50 it might simply be A/M. Meaning that a female affy was pollinated with a Mexican male. Then they might add numbers for the plants growing out of that cross. So you would have A/M 1, A/m 2, etc. to identify the plants as you evaluate each one for traits that you want to incorporate into your line. Now when you get to the next generation, you might decide to increase the amount of Sativa genetics or Afghan genetics into your line. so in your population you might look like SDA/M. Meaning sativa dominant affy/Mexican cross and then again plant number 1 , etc. Once you get a plants genetics that you decide to deliver to market you take all of the background breeding info to .......a marketing staff. They are the ones that will decide what name will drive sales on your babies.And that's where the opportunity lies. I just replied to a thread that was about a guy who bought feminised seeds from a breeder only to get males. I think that one of the long term challenges for breeders is to get adequately high enough populations of plants to both selecet from and then produce seeds from. Take it from a kid who spent alot of summers in corn field de-tasseling corn , it takes huge populations to produce stable commercialliy viable seeds.

 

[Richard Richardson]

I like the name Lucy as well Keep 'em coming

 

[mcloadie]

Why change something that's been working for thousands of years? We are inventing ways to be taken more seriously....by the botanical, medical, and judicial systems. I think it's disrespectful to march in....in a relatively short period of time and try to change a system that not only works, but that so many people have invested their lives in....just my 2 cents.

 

[uptheholler]

I encourage everyone to go get a flower vegetable seed catalog. If you live in the country your mailbox is probably getting stuffed full right now. Take a look at Johnnies selected seeds it's probably one of the most beautiful catelogs out there. Now if you look at any crop yopu can easily see which peppers are realted or tpmatoes are realted from a breeding aspect. That's what we should encourage. Now if you get a Baker's Creek (I believe that's the name)catalog, they specialize in heirloom seeds and you can see how the old time varieties were name based upon experiences growing or by geographic conditions. One of my fav's Mortgage Lifter tomatoes so popular that the guy that grew them sold plants so well that he lifted the mortgage off of his farm from their sales! That's what makes America great!

 

[mcloadie]

I encourage everyone to go get a flower vegetable seed catalog. If you live in the country your mailbox is probably getting stuffed full right now. Take a look at Johnnies selected seeds it's probably one of the most beautiful catelogs out there. Now if you look at any crop yopu can easily see which peppers are realted or tpmatoes are realted from a breeding aspect. That's what we should encourage. Now if you get a Baker's Creek (I believe that's the name)catalog, they specialize in heirloom seeds and you can see how the old time varieties were name based upon experiences growing or by geographic conditions. One of my fav's Mortgage Lifter tomatoes so popular that the guy that grew them sold plants so well that he lifted the mortgage off of his farm from their sales! That's what makes America great!

haha......I'm glad dude got his mortgage paid off! I am a big fan of heirlooms, I NEVER use ANYTHING that's been genetically modified. All the things that made..and make this country great are being tossed out the window............great suffering never seen before will follow............

 

[Richard Richardson]

Are we finished advertizing heirloom seed catalogues now?


Please stay on topic for the sake of community self-determination


We need strain name suggestions for offensive 420 strain names


We now have 2 votes for "Plumber's Dilemma"

 

[Richard Richardson]

We need strain name suggestions for offensive 420 strain names