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Plant Alchemy With KNF: Korean Natural Farming And Jadam

Azimuth

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Great write up, I had no idea for the salve part, I'm going to have to try and remember this come next spring to plant some.
You can do seeds or roots, though seeds are not advised for reasons given above.

The Bocking 14 cultivar I grow is sterile and is supposed to have one of the highest levels of the allantoin of any of the cultivars.

So just pay attention when you order it so you don't end up with a nightmare plant that spreads uncontrollably and that you can't get rid of.

:)
 

Rexer

Member of the Month: April 2021 - Photo of the Month: July 2021
You can do seeds or roots, though seeds are not advised for reasons given above.

The Bocking 14 cultivar I grow is sterile and is supposed to have one of the highest levels of the allantoin of any of the cultivars.

So just pay attention when you order it so you don't end up with a nightmare plant that spreads uncontrollably and that you can't get rid of.

:)
To be honest, I'm not worried, especially when you say it looks pretty. It's something other then long grass. I live out in the country, and have yet to even setup a proper outdoor veggie garden (just moved). I tried to get a small one going using what bit of knowledge for soil growing I've picked up in here, but long short is it wasn't the best (too focused on setting up the grow tent). I need to get a hold of a tiller next spring and create a nice area out on the lawn. Though the Mrs and I were recently talking about setting up a cheap hydro veggie grow room in the basement with rising costs of food. Nothing fancy, just enough to offset the cost of fresh vegetables in winter.

After reading all that, sorry for the rant :51: :19: . I love what you and Nutty have been contributing with the homemade ferts.
 

Bode

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Comfrey's knickname is "knitbone" because before opur time country folk used to make a crude poultice and heal broken bones. Happy Smokin'
 

Azimuth

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Comfrey

If the fertilizer benefits of comfrey were not enough, it turns out this is one of the most prized of herbs for the natural medicine folks.

Specifically, it can be made into an salve by steeping it with an oil like olive, grape, sunflower or coconut, or made into a compress, and is used to treat inflammation, bruises, strains, and bone breaks because of a compound it contains called allantoin, which is supposed to aid in cell proliferation, which in turn speeds the healing process from physical trauma to the body.

Maybe that's why it works so well on plants!

I recently hurt my knee and lower back and was reading up on natural treatments and came across this one. And, since I'm taking a bit of a temporary detour from my organic fertilizers, I'm going to use this year's comfrey crop to make some salve and see how it works.

I started my comfrey planting in the spring with a single root cutting about the size of my thumb and appear to have enough leaf matter now to easily fill a 5 gallon bucket. I think this fall I'll dig up the roots, dry some for future treatments and replant some to other parts of the garden to increase my supply.

Both the leaves and the roots can be used, with the roots being a bit stronger. The roots, when dried and made into a powder, turn into a gel like consistency when reconstituted with water. If applied directly to the skin in this form, it will dry to a fruit leather like consistency and is kept on the skin in this form for a day or two to deliver its compounds deep into the skin.

There are some downsides to planting comfrey in your garden if you're not careful. Comfrey sends down a tap root in search of water that has been estimated to be able to grow 10-20 feet (3-6 meters)! Since it also is propagated by root cuttings, that means you'll probably never be able to dig it all out without actually making more plants in the attempt.

Also, it produces beautiful purple flowers which can then produce seeds which can blow around your garden and quickly become a problem by producing a multitude of new plants.

I planted a sterile cultivar called Bocking 14 so I won't have the seed issue, and put it in a special spot in my garden where I'm happy to have it take up permanent residence. But just be aware of these issues if you decide to plant some in your garden.

I made and applied the comfrey salve to my lower back. It worked great! I noticed a marked improvement after a couple of days which I imagine is because the "cell regeneration" properties of the allantoin in the comfrey take some time to get regenerating.

I think it may have worked because of one of three reasons (or maybe some combination of them)
1. The Placebo effect. I wanted it to work, therefore it did.
2. The Time effect. My back was getting steadily better anyway, so maybe it was just healing on its own
3. The Allantoin effect. The allantoin compounds found in the plant worked their magic.

I think it was at least partially (3.) since it seemed to really accelerate my recuperation. I was able to get in and out of bed without excruciating pain after about 24 hours of my first application. Again, I attribute this to the fact that creating new cells to repair the damaged ones isn't an instant thing, but rather one that builds as cells divide, which occurs over time. I was getting better at a fairly slow and steady clip, but this seemed to have shaved several days to maybe a week off what seemed to be the pace of recovery I was on.

I will say that I am very pleased with the results and would highly recommend it to others interested in a healing salve rather than one just for helping with the pain as we might get from our favorite plant.

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Here's how I made it:

- 4oz (by volume) of dried, crushed comfrey leaves (I needed 4 large leaves)
- 8oz (by volume) of organic coconut oil

I heated and periodically stirred this mix up for 5+ hours in the little warming pot that came with my crock pot for keeping chocolate and cheeses warm. I'm guessing it was well less than 212*. It's apparently important not to cook the herbs but rather just gently heat them with the carrier oil over many hours. I imagine a coffee mug warmer might work just as well.

Then I strained the mixture through a fine steel sieve into small jars and let cool.

That’s it. Really simple and easy.

When I applied it it went on smoothly and didn't leave any greasy feel once it absorbed into the skin after about ten minutes. It did leave my skin a bit itchy which I attributed to the smaller gritty particles that made it through the screen so I reheated the mix and ran it through a coffee filter which seems to have solved that minor annoyance.

I've got lots more leaves to harvest and I'm going to mix some of them with the plantain plant which is supposed to have great properties of its own in helping with any skin irritations (rashes, bug bites, poison ivy, etc.). I think that combination would make a great 'Hiking Salve' to help with the most common issues out on the trail from mosquito bites to twisted ankles.
 
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Bode

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Highya Az,

I use grape seed oil for salves, ointments, lotions because it goes through the skin quicker and doesn't leave any trace after awhile. Just saying. Happy Smokin'
 

Azimuth

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Grape seed oil is a great choice too, Bode! I wanted a finished product that was more of a salve and not a liquid so I went with the coconut oil which solidifies at temps below 77*.

You can use lots of other oils as well, and if you want a more solid product you can always add a bit of beeswax to help stop it from melting in the heat.

Have you made infused salves, lotions and lotions? If so, what were your combinations?

I don't want to go too crazy, but I do want to expand my horizons a bit.
 

Bode

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I use beeswax 4:1 oil/beeswax to make the perfect consistency salve. Love it! Happy Smokin'
 

Azimuth

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I closed out my Jadam Liquid Fertilizer (JLF) barrel today, and thought I'd share some lessons learned.

First, this is some really good stuff and the plants seem to really like it. Also, it's super easy to make as all you do is put some chopped up plant matter and some microbes (like those found in leaf mold, compost or worm castings) into some water and let the microbes break it down for you over time. I usually add new microbes and a bit of potato flakes (for food to help them multiply) to the barrel a couple of days before I'm going to fertigate.

A little goes a long way as you're supposed to dilute it at least 1:10 with water before giving it to your plants. The 20 gallon (80 L) barrel I used was way overkill. Next year I'll use a 5 gallon (20 L) bucket which will be plenty for me, I'm sure.

The best plants to use for fertilizer are the super, or dynamic, accumulators. If you want a simple, one stop shop version, dandelion generally has the most balanced nutrient profile and is a great choice as everyone seems to have easy access to them in the spring.

A better option is to use one one the combinations shown earlier in the thread. Properly chosen, the combos will have higher levels of almost all of the various nutrients. They're also much easier to harvest in quantity but that's not all that important for a small, 5 gal bucket.

My choice next year will likely be stinging nettle and horsetail fern early and then I'll add comfrey as the season goes on. I'll also likely add some aloe and seaweed to the mix.

One thing I do to try to keep the concentration of the mix steady is I never add new material directly to the bucket. Rather I add it to another bucket then cover it with water and then add that to the JLF bucket. This way helps me add a similar amount of water to plant material each time.

I'd encourage anyone interested in natural organic gardening to give it a try (I'm looking at you @StoneOtter) . It's much easier than a compost pile and fits in a small area in your garden. The downside is the smell. Mine was like a pickled horse barn smell, but that's really only an issue for the short time you have the cover off for adding new water and material, or scooping out some for your watering can.
 
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Nine Toed Hippie

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That’s sounds awesome @Azimuth

I’m so interested in this type of gardening. In fact I’m looking to set up/dedicate one half acre for growing various plants. If you had this as an opportunity how would you start? I’ve done some research on the JADAM method and I know @NuttyProfessor would have some valuable input also. But I’m just thinking a greenhouse roof. And half walls for starters. Would also bring in a few truck loads of good soil to start. But then try to make every aspect afterwards a self sustaining operation in regards to soil amendments/fertilizer etc. Thanks in advance. Peace.

NTH
 

Azimuth

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@ninetoedhippie ,

If you don't already have the Jadam book, I'd start there. It gives all the inputs needed to set up and operate a small farm using natural farming principles. Pretty comprehensive.

A few of us have modified the recipes down for smaller gardens but sounds like you'd be able to use them straight up!

I don't have have any experience with greenhouse growing but there are a couple of growers on here doing just that.

Sounds like a fun project.

If it were me I'd probably start with just a small corner of the property and run it for a season or two to see what I could learn and scale up what worked, but my garden is only 10'x15' so I'm probably not qualified to advise you on the scale you're contemplating.

The JMS (Jadam Microbial Solution) is a great place to start to get your soil in good shape. Both Nutty and @Bode have used it to great affect as well.

I'd definitely follow a thread like that if you start one. Probably have to be in the "off topic" section, but sounds fun.

Keep us posted!
 

Bode

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Sorry, Azimuth, but I'n sticking with the compost right in the garden instead of the JLF. I keep putting things on top of the plant area all year long to keep the microbes busy. The JMS is indispensible though! That's the missing piece in my growing experience! I used it every week, and sprayed the leaves during budrot season. Got very little on the ones I sprayed. Exceptional buds, as well! Happy Smokin'
 

Azimuth

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I'm not saying don't use the compost, or do this instead of compost.

I'm saying for someone interested in trying out natural gardening that the JLF is an easy way to see the benefits for very little effort.

Compost has some extra goodies that are very worthwhile, but it does take more effort, knowledge and space. And scaling it up presents its own challenges, especially on the scale NTH is contemplating.

The JLF is a great intro that anyone can do. Literally all you need is a bucket some microbes and plant material. And the latter two you can even get from a park across town if you don't have a yard.

It's a big tent. There's room for lots of different ways to enjoy the benefits of this type of growing.
 

StoneOtter

Member of the Month: July 2019, Sept 2020 - Grow Journal of the Month: Nov 2019 - Plant of the Month: April 2020
I closed out my Jadam Liquid Fertilizer (JLF) barrel today, and thought I'd share some lessons learned.

First, this is some really good stuff and the plants seem to really like it. Also, it's super easy to make as all you do is put some chopped up plant matter and some microbes (like those found in leaf mold, compost or worm castings) into some water and let the microbes break it down for you over time. I usually add new microbes and a bit of potato flakes (for food to help them multiply) to the barrel a couple of days before I'm going to fertigate.

A little goes a long way as you're supposed to dilute it at least 1:10 with water before giving it to your plants. The 20 gallon (80 L) barrel I used was way overkill. Next year I'll use a 5 gallon (20 L) bucket which will be plenty for me, I'm sure.

The best plants to use for fertilizer are the super, or dynamic, accumulators. If you want a simple, one stop shop version, dandelion generally has the most balanced nutrient profile and is a great choice as everyone seems to have easy access to them in the spring.

A better option is to use one one the combinations shown earlier in the thread. Properly chosen, the combos will have higher levels of almost all of the various nutrients. They're also much easier to harvest in quantity but that's not all that important for a small, 5 gal bucket.

My choice next year will likely be stinging nettle and horsetail fern early and then I'll add comfrey as the season goes on. I'll also likely add some aloe and seaweed to the mix.

One thing I do to try to keep the concentration of the mix steady is I never add new material directly to the bucket. Rather I add it to another bucket then cover it with water and then add that to the JLF bucket. This way helps me add a similar amount of water to plant material each time.

I'd encourage anyone interested in natural organic gardening to give it a try (I'm looking at you @StoneOtter) . It's much easier than a compost pile and fits in a small area in your garden. The downside is the smell. Mine was like a pickled horse barn smell, but that's really only an issue for the short time you have the cover off for adding new water and material, or scooping out some for your watering can.
Bookmarked Azi thanks! this will be part of my next outdoor grow for certain!
 
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