Short Ryder Auto & Bubba Kush - 1st Grow

[Guy Cavallero]

Of course this plan came about with help of all of the 420 members that chimed in......even if it was staring me right in the face. Some times you just need that little push, lol. Changed the timers over tonight.

 

[Scrogdawg]

I'm sure you'll have a better idea of what the "autos" are doing within a couple weeks. Meantime the seedlings and flowering plants are where they need to be. Ya made a good call.

 

[ShopGrow]

Lol.....it's all good here my friend. Ummm, I thought about it to help me with my space issue but it's looking like 19/5 again now. I reeeaaallllllyyy didn't want to sacrifice a grow that I was looking forward to and had already germinated for, so I was gonna see what I got out of it if I went that route. I've decided though that I'll just keep my short riders in my veg cabinet along with my seedlings. As I harvest (I love that thought btw) a plant from my flower space, just switch one out. Ultimately starting my perpetual, just at a different kinda schedule. Still weed in the jars though, lol. I'm thinking I'm gonna try a foliar spray to help me put them in flower if they don't go when I needem to.

Yeah I was reading along with that in your other journal. I was going to chime in but way more experience jumped in to help. All I was going to say is I saw some pictures a couple weeks ago of a 12/12 from seed. It was so sad.

 

[Guy Cavallero]

Yeah I was reading along with that in your other journal. I was going to chime in but way more experience jumped in to help. All I was going to say is I saw some pictures a couple weeks ago of a 12/12 from seed. It was so sad.

Yeah, I don't think I could even watch, lol......it's like the operation channel, lmao.

 

[Guy Cavallero]

So out of the three that I have going that are autos short riders, here's my 2 still in veg that aren't behaving, lol....day 57

Up close

And my auto which has been normal, lol.....also day 57....wtf?!

My Bubba kush, bud porn time, lol.

 

[ShopGrow]

Very nice looking ladies. I want to dedicate a corner in the flower room for a scrog. How are you liking it so far?

 

[Guy Cavallero]

Love it. I trained by LST until I flowered then I left it up to the Scrog. A definite must have, lol.

 

[Guy Cavallero]

You know what I love about my local Hydro Store, the guy is so knowledgeable that I actually go there just to hang out and talk LOL. I went in there today, to purchase some and to certainly talk about the products that I have discussed in my two grows. After showing him a few pictures of my grows, he has said that my plants are in various stages of flower and the two of them are very close to needing flush. I have to go and buy myself a loop so that I can start to check more closely but this is a very exciting time. Also love the fact that the guy doesn't try to sell me something that I don't need, I did buy a truncheon while I was in there so that I can start to advance my PPM knowledge. I also purchased a CO2 dispersal canister, to help me with my last few weeks of flower.

 

[ShopGrow]

I'll have to find the video but this guy on YouTube shows how he no longer uses his co2. He found by just breathing in the room while working in it was more than enough. His room was also sealed so that might make a difference. I'm curious to see if what you got works. It might change my mind a little. The hydro store I go to I also like the guy. Very knowledgeable and has sent me other places to buy stuff because it was cheaper because he knows I don't have the money like that to spend. That is actually what made me just stick to online. Still nice to talk to someone rather than Google.

 

[Guy Cavallero]

I'll have to find the video but this guy on YouTube shows how he no longer uses his co2. He found by just breathing in the room while working in it was more than enough. His room was also sealed so that might make a difference. I'm curious to see if what you got works. It might change my mind a little. The hydro store I go to I also like the guy. Very knowledgeable and has sent me other places to buy stuff because it was cheaper because he knows I don't have the money like that to spend. That is actually what made me just stick to online. Still nice to talk to someone rather than Google.

I think because my tent is so small with an opening that I have to open and close with a zipper, the CO2 in the room probably gets dispersed more than used. I'm going to try this, ultimately I have nothing to compare it to but I am interested to see if something like this is viable. I have heard a lot of guys talk about it so I was willing to give it a try for the 20 bucks or whatever it was that it cost. If it does work you can buy refills at the store for a lot less. 1 thing I do have questions about is this truncheon and how you actually read it. Do you have any knowledge of them?

 

[ShopGrow]

I think because my tent is so small with an opening that I have to open and close with a zipper, the CO2 in the room probably gets dispersed more than used. I'm going to try this, ultimately I have nothing to compare it to but I am interested to see if something like this is viable. I have heard a lot of guys talk about it so I was willing to give it a try for the 20 bucks or whatever it was that it cost. If it does work you can buy refills at the store for a lot less. 1 thing I do have questions about is this truncheon and how you actually read it. Do you have any knowledge of them?

I know about ppms. Not that specific meter. But would imagine it's the same as any other. You want to find out what ppm your plain water is at. Then from there add your nutes till the desired ppm.

 

[ShopGrow]

Sorry if misunderstood your question and I did not answer it. I can go into more detail about ppms if that's what you meant.

 

[Guy Cavallero]

I know about ppms. Not that specific meter. But would imagine it's the same as any other. You want to find out what ppm your plain water is at. Then from there add your nutes till the desired ppm.

I know my water is fluctuating at around 150ppm, max 200. What I'm wondering more than anything is what level my PPM should be for my age of plants? Presently as you know , I am at about day 59 from Sprout. Is it just my Bloom that I give it? If so, what happens to the allotted amount that I'm supposed to give per liter on a regular feeding schedule schedule.... Does that go out the window?

 

[ShopGrow]

O that's all depending on strain type of nutes and what you want to feed them. Ppms are to dial in your nutes to just right. People on here will say "I give mine 700 ppm mid way through flower". Well that works with there nutes and strain. Like if I gave you my ppm readings, they won't work because my nutes are formulated for coco. Does your dnf have a ppm schedule. I believe I can go online for mine and get the ppm and ec reading. To say throw out window no. Go from what they say in ml per liter. Just say there base ppm is 300. From there you give your plant more or less to find that sweet spot. For me the schedule my nutes give is just fine and I customize from there a little. But I am way to new to growing to start worrying about ppms. This is all information I have read a couple years ago and formed my own opinion.

 

[ShopGrow]

I remember a couple years ago reading on this forum one guy was feeding 1200 ppms and the other guys was laughing saying that's crazy I only give 800 max. Those measurements are with ro water with 0-50 ppm

 

[Guy Cavallero]

OK well to put things into perspective. I mixed up a batch of what I've been feeding my girls as / the DNF seduce. The ppm reading was 1100. I've been giving my plants that every other watering. So water, feed, water, feed etc... .... there doesn't seem to be any issues but I do have 2 misbehaving autos....who knows, lol. The ppm thing is new to me too. Just trying to get my head around it. I'll be checking DNFs website also.

 

[ShopGrow]

K. Yeah the most simple thing about ppm, its another way to measure but it really allows you to fine tune your feed.

 

[Scrogdawg]

First, we don't supply nutrition to the plants. Sun, water and CO2 do that. We are simply adding the vitamins.

EC - Electric Conductivity
PPM - Parts per Million
TDS - Total Dissolved Solids

EC for our purpose is a measure of the waters ability to conduct electricity. RO water at 0 ppm will not conduct electricity. The TDS in water are the medium that moves electricity through water and are measured in PPM's. Sooo...TDS can be measured by either PPM or EC depending on which scale you prefer. The more dissolved solids, the higher the reading.

Dissolved solids are how the vitamins are delivered to the roots for uptake to the plants and it is why we measure and keep track of how much we have administered.

Different brands of "nutes" use different compounds (solids) to transport the vitamins, so, if your using 1 PPM of Brand "A" you may well need 2 ppm's of brand "B" to supply the same amount of vitamins. That is why one person will have a 1200 ppm system and another may have only 700 ppm but both plants are thriving.

Different strains can tolerate more or less nutes than another strain before they start to burn. At the end of the day I would suggest that you start with a mid flower nute recipe at 50% strength, and increase each week until you see signs of burn and then back off a little bit. Keep this information recorded in a book or spreadsheet. If you grow the same strain again you can save yourself the trial and error process.

I had just finished smoking a big gagger and writing this has hurt my head.....lol.

 

[Guy Cavallero]

First, we don't supply nutrition to the plants. Sun, water and CO2 do that. We are simply adding the vitamins.

EC - Electric Conductivity
PPM - Parts per Million
TDS - Total Dissolved Solids

EC for our purpose is a measure of the waters ability to conduct electricity. RO water at 0 ppm will not conduct electricity. The TDS in water are the medium that moves electricity through water and are measured in PPM's. Sooo...TDS can be measured by either PPM or EC depending on which scale you prefer. The more dissolved solids, the higher the reading.

Dissolved solids are how the vitamins are delivered to the roots for uptake to the plants and it is why we measure and keep track of how much we have administered.

Different brands of "nutes" use different compounds (solids) to transport the vitamins, so, if your using 1 PPM of Brand "A" you may well need 2 ppm's of brand "B" to supply the same amount of vitamins. That is why one person will have a 1200 ppm system and another may have only 700 ppm but both plants are thriving.

Different strains can tolerate more or less nutes than another strain before they start to burn. At the end of the day I would suggest that you start with a mid flower nute recipe at 50% strength, and increase each week until you see signs of burn and then back off a little bit. Keep this information recorded in a book or spreadsheet. If you grow the same strain again you can save yourself the trial and error process.

I had just finished smoking a big gagger and writing this has hurt my head.....lol.

What are organic nutrients made of then? The base of the nutrients? How do they get taken into the plants?
You're an incredible wealth of knowledge Scrog. .....thanks for hanging out!

 

[Scrogdawg]

What are organic nutrients made of then? The base of the nutrients? How do they get taken into the plants?

I gotta say that these questions are outta my pay grade Guy...lol. I read a really good in depth article a while ago about how the roots uptake the nutes but I couldn't even begin to regurgitate it.

You're an incredible wealth of knowledge Scrog. .....thanks for hanging out!

Thanks, help out where I can but mostly I'm full of bullshit..