100% sativa any tips?

[bobrown14]

@HopHead is growing sativas. You might want to check his thread. Beautiful plants. But yea tall and thin plants, that take forever to finish.

If it doesn't take plus 100 days - Skeptical its a pure sativa.


I'm running some now. Landrace sativa from Transkei SA - they didn't even start flowering for a month plus. Took me 4 weeks to sex a male in flower.

11/13 is perfect lighting do it. Dont think on it too much. Its not normal but for indoor its best.

Ace seeds dobt they are 100% Sativa. No one would buy them running plus 100 days.

There's a lot of risk going that long in flower indoors. It's not for the faint of heart and the thc levels are not as high but terpines are off the charts. You get high from both. The medicinal side of cannabis is likely going to come from the terpines. So there's that.

The high is different its not a late night puff then go to bed. Some people can't handle it. I've seen people freak out and wanna call 911 with anxiety attack. Its real. Something to get used to sorta like the smokey flavor of a good 15yo single malt scotch.

On the bragging rights thing.... anything can happen careful what you wish for there.

If its running past 90 days and it should you need to be watchful for nanners. I usually chop when I see them. The plants probably wont ever look ready as they continue to pile on new trichomes over time and the older ones just get covered you cant see them. So the flowers will usually always have clear trichomes and white pistols. Not always but its common.

Its a challenge. Size is an issue and keeping them happy is another issue. They know after 90 days there's no males in the house so that makes them moody.

 

[Weaselcracker]

I'll be growing the golden tiger x Panama in promox hp with Diablo nutrients , in 4x5 tent. I don't know how long to veg , I will probly lst and scrog ? I can adjust temp no problem

As said, check out Ace‘s site they will provide info. They have a lot of good genetics but they are not out to sell plants that take 150 days to flower and grow 20 feet tall. They know what their market is and most of their plants are very manageable. Nothing to worry about really.


In Promix you’re probably gonna want at least a 7 gallon pot minimum and that’s if you flower early without attempting to go for more size.

I’ve always felt like it’s a bit of a crime to scrog plants like that but you definitely can. Or just train a bit and tie them down -may work better and look nicer as well as actually yielding more.

 

[HashFart]

If it doesn't take plus 100 days - Skeptical its a pure sativa.


I'm running some now. Landrace sativa from Transkei SA - they didn't even start flowering for a month plus. Took me 4 weeks to sex a male in flower.

11/13 is perfect lighting do it. Dont think on it too much. Its not normal but for indoor its best.

Ace seeds dobt they are 100% Sativa. No one would buy them running plus 100 days.

There's a lot of risk going that long in flower indoors. It's not for the faint of heart and the thc levels are not as high but terpines are off the charts. You get high from both. The medicinal side of cannabis is likely going to come from the terpines. So there's that.

The high is different its not a late night puff then go to bed. Some people can't handle it. I've seen people freak out and wanna call 911 with anxiety attack. Its real. Something to get used to sorta like the smokey flavor of a good 15yo single malt scotch.

On the bragging rights thing.... anything can happen careful what you wish for there.

If its running past 90 days and it should you need to be watchful for nanners. I usually chop when I see them. The plants probably wont ever look ready as they continue to pile on new trichomes over time and the older ones just get covered you cant see them. So the flowers will usually always have clear trichomes and white pistols. Not always but its common.

Its a challenge. Size is an issue and keeping them happy is another issue. They know after 90 days there's no males in the house so that makes them moody.

That's what this is all about brother the challenge ! Like I said I don't like sativa just wanna learn to grow one , and I will wish for the bragging rights brother strive got greatness , I will try the 11 13 light cycle

 

[HashFart]

Same as any, no real control over that one that I know of just seem to be more prone to it in my experience (more selfing a few than all out hermie like that Gold was in pics below). Had a Acapulco Gold hermie big time on me and as I caught it late I just let it go, didn't bother either lady next to it which was weird as it was full of seeds and never found one on the other two.

Middle plant on that Gold, one on the left is a Panama Red on the right one of my Blacks which more of a mix between Sativa and Indica but still leans heavy on Sativa side:

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pics of the Red:

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That looks amazing brother , how long did you veg? And what size pots

 

[Weaselcracker]

I couldn’t find the article from ACE written about the Indica genetics in the plant but the quote down below is direct from their website. The original Haze strain that went into breeding the Panama has some Indica in it.

You’ll find that pretty much any commercially available ‘pure sativa’ has at least been through a process of selecting for the most manageable traits and inbreeding it to make it more acceptable as an indoor plant. In the real world the equatorial strains are grown outdoors where they can do whatever they want. They don’t behave themselves that well. They get very tall and their buds are very wispy and prone to hermies. But it doesn’t really matter so much in a jungle.

Ace is at least a respectable outfit, but lots of breeders will just say anything. Take the ‘sativa’ and ‘landrace’ descriptions with a grain of salt. Some of the indica stuff I’ve seen described as ‘Malawi gold’ or ‘Thai’ or ‘landrace’ is totally laughable.


Anyway- It doesn’t matter really whether it’s a ‘pure sativa’ or not. Those lines get a bit fuzzy.

Some people will say that there is no such thing as Indica or sativa, which is a bit of a stretch.
But for me where I find the difference most is in the high. So if I grow a strain such as the Panama I grew where it makes me feel red eyed, cloudy and forgetful, sleepy, or gives me the munchies. I call that one - Indica




“ACE seeds feminized... using an IBL F4 Panama Green and infusing pollen from an early flowering IBL F4 Neville’s Haze, Ace Seeds specialists have created a very potent, almost psychedelic sativa with no characteristics from the early indica influence added to the Haze.



Known Phenotypes:

1. long, compact, slowly blossoming, indica-dominant Phenotype #3
2. compact, fastly blossoming, sativa-dominant Phenotype #1
3. stretched, slowly blossoming, sativa-dominant Phenotype #2

 

[Enr0n]

Been lurking reading along and have not read every comment so I apologize before hand.

I just finished a Santa Marta Gold grow that is Landrace Savita according to the seed supplier, (who was a sponsor). I did not top my plant and she ended up being 5 1/2 ft . With large fan leaves, I fed her heavily from start to finish in FFOF using FF nutes. Here she is on 12/31/2020

 

[HashFart]

I couldn’t find the article from ACE written about the Indica genetics in the plant but the quote down below is direct from their website. The original Haze strain that went into breeding the Panama has some Indica in it.

You’ll find that pretty much any commercially available ‘pure sativa’ has at least been through a process of selecting for the most manageable traits and inbreeding it to make it more acceptable as an indoor plant. In the real world the equatorial strains are grown outdoors where they can do whatever they want. They don’t behave themselves that well. They get very tall and their buds are very wispy and prone to hermies. But it doesn’t really matter so much in a jungle.

Ace is at least a respectable outfit, but lots of breeders will just say anything. Take the ‘sativa’ and ‘landrace’ descriptions with a grain of salt. Some of the indica stuff I’ve seen described as ‘Malawi gold’ or ‘Thai’ or ‘landrace’ is totally laughable.


Anyway- It doesn’t matter really whether it’s a ‘pure sativa’ or not. Those lines get a bit fuzzy.

Some people will say that there is no such thing as Indica or sativa, which is a bit of a stretch.
But for me where I find the difference most is in the high. So if I grow a strain such as the Panama I grew where it makes me feel red eyed, cloudy and forgetful, sleepy, or gives me the munchies. I call that one - Indica




“ACE seeds feminized... using an IBL F4 Panama Green and infusing pollen from an early flowering IBL F4 Neville’s Haze, Ace Seeds specialists have created a very potent, almost psychedelic sativa with no characteristics from the early indica influence added to the Haze.



Known Phenotypes:

1. long, compact, slowly blossoming, indica-dominant Phenotype #3
2. compact, fastly blossoming, sativa-dominant Phenotype #1
3. stretched, slowly blossoming, sativa-dominant Phenotype #2

I feel like I'm starting grow for the first time again this is all I found so for about the strain , I can't even find it on ace website

 

[Weaselcracker]

It looks like they’ve selected it for fast flowering- so at 11 or 12 weeks flowering you’ve got nothing to worry about. That’s just like a regular hybrid plant. Business as usual.

If you add the word Dubi to the strain name when you search You should be able to find ACE’s breeder dubi who usually grows and journals every one of their strains on another site.

 

[HashFart]

Been lurking reading along and have not read every comment so I apologize before hand.

I just finished a Santa Marta Gold grow that is Landrace Savita according to the seed supplier, (who was a sponsor). I did not top my plant and she ended up being 5 1/2 ft . With large fan leaves, I fed her heavily from start to finish in FFOF using FF nutes. Here she is on 12/31/2020

That looks amazing brother , I'm trying autos in ffof they are just seedlings now ,,,, but because these seeds where pricey I'm sticking to promix and will feed myself

 

[HashFart]

It looks like they’ve selected it for fast flowering- so at 11 or 12 weeks flowering you’ve got nothing to worry about. That’s just like a regular hybrid plant. Business as usual.

If you add the word Dubi to the strain name when you search You should be able to find ACE’s breeder dubi who usually grows and journals every one of their strains on another site.

I'm not gunna lie I feel kinda cheated with them saying it's a 100% sativa , but I'm really excited to start this

 

[Weaselcracker]

Well I don’t think you should feel cheated. It’s just that there’s not really much of a 100% anything in life. Maybe 95% is the new %100, or maybe it always was.

Anyway it doesn’t matter. Both of those strains are beautiful plants. I just don’t like the high from the Panama which is why I call it an Indica.... But almost everyone else on earth likes indica type highs just fine.

 

[HashFart]

Well I don’t think you should feel cheated. It’s just that there’s not really much of a 100% anything in life. Maybe 95% is the new %100, or maybe it always was.

Anyway it doesn’t matter. Both of those strains are beautiful plants. I just don’t like the high from the Panama which is why I call it an Indica.... But almost everyone else on earth likes indica type highs just fine.

Well I think it's both strains crossed together ? I've never had either strain , my favorite strain at the moment is cluster bomb from bomb genetics

 

[Weaselcracker]

Both of those strains are beautiful plants.

Yes I mean the GT and the Panama are both great strains and the cross will also be good. I’ve actually only grown a couple strains from ACE that I didn’t like so much.

 

[Dwight Monk]

That looks amazing brother , how long did you veg? And what size pots

Can't recall length of Veg but gave up on the Gold that had the seeds at 12 weeks flower, she could have gone a couple more but didn't see the point at that point as gave most of it away. I don't know pot size far as gallons go, they 15" diameter and 13" deep kind of thing, how we had them named at that place I worked at was by dimensions.

 

[HashFart]

Can't recall length of Veg but gave up on the Gold that had the seeds at 12 weeks flower, she could have gone a couple more but didn't see the point at that point as gave most of it away. I don't know pot size far as gallons go, they 15" diameter and 13" deep kind of thing, how we had them named at that place I worked at was by dimensions.

I'm begining to think sativa strains are slightly harder to grow , wich is your favorite sativa strains Dwight?

 

[HashFart]

Hi HashFart I'm HopHead. I was mentioned regarding growing sativa so if I can be of any help then I'm in. I'm no expert by any means but if I can share even one thing then I'm happy to help. I'm doing my 2nd sativa grow now and have no desire to go back to growing indicas anytime soon. I've been buying sativa varieties and storing them in the freezer until I get a chance to grow them. I love the sativa high and the aroma coming off my Malawi Gold. I don't have a lot of experience with sativas other than the 2 grows. Feel free to check out the grows in my signature and ask questions or make comments.
I would describe myself as a traditional organic gardener. I grow almost everything and have been gardening for many years both inside and out. Everybody has their own objectives and ways of doing things so I try and refrain from telling growers what they should do. They should do what they want. I try and convey what I would do in a similar situation as an option.
So, I like to do research before growing something I've never grown before. I try to find out as much as I can and write it down for reference. I also like to try and replicate the growing conditions of the plant's home. I figure the characteristics of a plant are a result of where it grew. So, if I want the same characteristics then the closer I can replicate the 'home' conditions then maybe I can come closer to the desired characteristics. I also take notes and keep a log. Doing a grow journal is great for keeping records.
Sativas generally speaking grow tall and that fact alone makes it challenging to grow indoors because there are usually height limitations. Sativas don't grow on a 18/6 schedule and then switch to a 12/12 schedule in their home. Like Weaselcracker stated the daylight only varies from maybe 11 to 13 hrs. over the span of a year. I agree with everything he said in his post. So, my sativa grow is 12/12 from start to finish. This helps to limit their height because they will start flowering the moment they are mature enough. My present Malawi grow started sexing (showing their sex) around day 50. They should be ready to harvest somewhere between 12 to 16 weeks later. They tend to stretch and stretch and stretch some more. In my first sativa grow I had 14 plants under a 430W HPS. In order to make that work I kept them in 2" pots for 40 days, 4" pots for 40 days and then I think the rest of the grow in 6" pots. Keeping them in small pots worked in keeping them small. My primary goal for that grow was harvesting seeds to build a seed bank. My present grow is for bud and to find out what the females will do in a 12" pot. I like to let the plants do what they want. I want to watch them grow naturally to learn about them.
As far as nutrients, I like to provide plants with a rich well balanced soil that will last the entire grow from start to finish and I just water. It makes it simple, the plants are healthy and the bud tastes great. For temperatures, humidity etc. I check my research I gathered. Hope this is useful. Cheers.

Hello brother , I also like to find out as much info as possible before I start , when you say flip the lights or start on 12 and 12 , do you mean straight from seedling ? How do you train and top or scrog When in flower? Im wanting to flip asap by the sounds of it , but I don't want to stress or train to much in flower out of fear of hermie

 

[safeman]

just to add concerning lighting: 100% Sativa's
like Panama Red (Dr, GreenThumb) can be grown --12/12 from seed , May be flowered at 10/14 and a 36hr dark time may be used at flowering onset for height control and faster finisher (veg till 6-8 inches tall) Looked at ACE seeds like their Panama - a long with DR greenthumbs only breeders that have that strain 100% Panama Red Great grows !!!!!!!!! the time is worth the wait

 

[safeman]

Been lurking reading along and have not read every comment so I apologize before hand.

I just finished a Santa Marta Gold grow that is Landrace Savita according to the seed supplier, (who was a sponsor). I did not top my plant and she ended up being 5 1/2 ft . With large fan leaves, I fed her heavily from start to finish in FFOF using FF nutes. Here she is on 12/31/2020

what a monster !!!!!!!! from Ace or Holy Smokes ? hard to beat these to for sativa strains

 

[Enr0n]

new420guyseeds is where I got mine from and I have been doing quite a bit on landrace strains but I remember this strain from the 70's

edit: 420 not 429 duh

 

[Dwight Monk]

I'm begining to think sativa strains are slightly harder to grow , wich is your favorite sativa strains Dwight?

Mostly those two and a Burmese is all I have tried to grow so far far as a Landrace goes or closest you find to a Landrace. I liked the Panama Red, but my Son didn't like it as much as it was supposed to be breed for CBD, and that tends to offset the effects of the THC to a point, his complaint was it took twice as much for the same high Personally I thought it was good, kinda old school creeper high to it.