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Lol. Thanks Bill. I honestly don't know where this grow would be were it not for the help I've gotten from folks like you on this forum. Truly team grow going on over here.
Jon's Second Grow, First Grow Journal, Soil Grow Autos & Photoperiod
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No worries D. Not clogging up my anything. The journal goes where the journal goes. I learn as much from people having side conversations on my posts as I do from anything else. Keep it up.You could probably get a job selling miracle grow that's a damn fine looking plant for any setup IMO.
I stole your nematode idea and love them. It's like a pesticide you only have to apply once. I hate spraying my plants as it only seems to create problems but that's what I used to have to do to get rid of pests. No more spraying with the todes they seem to infect any bug in the vicinity. Too bad they only live in dirt.
Those would be some nice seeds to have from the looks of her. Liberty Haze x GDP should make some nice smoke on the potency side too (liquor is quicker right?).
Sorry @Jon I'll quit clogging up your thread with my idle chatter now
Nice trichs... I think I'm making out a little amber in there. That jelly bounced back real nice too.
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Hey @Bill284, can you talk to me about some methodology a little bit? Regarding this Jelly Rancher and bringing her inside to bud at whatever point the tent is empty. So she went from 18/6 light cycle in the tent to whatever the light cycle is outside, maybe 13-14 hours of light a day then natural (starlight) night. Now (not now, but when it's ready) I bring her into the tent and I want her to bud. So I'm thinking the best thing to do is to first let her grow for two or three days on 18/6 in the tent before flipping her. This will give her that time to get adjusted to going back to LEDs after spending several weeks in the sun, and may have the effect of kind of "resetting" her schedule so that the flip to 12/12 is more dramatic to the plant than as if I just flipped from the 14 hours of sunlight to 12/12. Then flip her and bud her out. I have an extra screen too, the stretchy kind, that I can drop down on her and maybe even out the bud sites a bit in those two or three days and through the stretch. Not exactly a scrog per se, but solid, even support and good separation for the buds. Plus who knows through the stretch? The way this plant is growing I won't be surprised if she fills almost the whole tent.
Does that sound about right? I can't think of any other way to do it.
Thanks!
Hey @Jon how are you my friend.
If I were bringing her inside I wouldn't screw around with18/6.
I'd bring her in give her 36 hrs of dark to activate flower then go straight 12/12.
Then you can screen her as she stretches into the mesh.
If she can take sun shine she can handle LED,s IMO.
Be careful you don't bring pests on her into your grow.
Thats what I would do.
Does that sound good.
Bill.
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Actually I like that better than my idea. Thanks. Yeah, cuz she's ready to go to flower right fricking now if I had a place to bud her out. Lol. Great idea.
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Actually I was kind of wondering WHY they don't start budding when they go to 14 from 18? If she was in the tent and I went 18 to 14 wouldn't she start budding? Or is 12 the magic "get going" number and anything longer they stay vegging?
Read a couple threads Help my plants are flowing. From April
Probably half a dozen in can think of.
18/6 then went outside too early 9-10-11 hrs darkness and they all flipped.
California is visible from space with all the growers lighting up their back yards now.
Rule of thumb 12 hrs of darkness at any point will build up the chemical in her to start the flowering process. Going back and forth could cause a hermie.
But here i go off topic.
So yes 12 is the magic number but I don't screw around with that.
I give my girls whats called twilight.
Shut down all lights but one low watt led.
Never quite dark enough to start producing the flowering chemical.
But dark enough they can relax and catch their breath.
Then lights on no chemical build up to start flower at all ever.
Shut them in for 36 hrs then 12-12 - party time
Bill
12 is the magic # but some will go when it gets close like 13 or 14. I dropped my outdoor plants light to 16 hours before I put em out for a week or two so they don't start to flower. Last year some of mine did as I went from 18/6 to outside in june where I get more like 15 or 16 hours.
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Twilight? What is this sorcery?Read a couple threads Help my plants are flowing. From April
Probably half a dozen in can think of.
18/6 then went outside too early 9-10-11 hrs darkness and they all flipped.
California is visible from space with all the growers lighting up their back yards now.
Rule of thumb 12 hrs of darkness at any point will build up the chemical in her to start the flowering process. Going back and forth could cause a hermie.
But here i go off topic.
So yes 12 is the magic number but I don't screw around with that.
I give my girls whats called twilight.
Shut down all lights but one low watt led.
Never quite dark enough to start producing the flowering chemical.
But dark enough they can relax and catch their breath.
Then lights on no chemical build up to start flower at all ever.
Shut them in for 36 hrs then 12-12 - party time
Bill
TWILIGHTTwilight? What is this sorcery?
Awful movie.
But one of the big companies in so-cal has been doing research on it.
Can't remember name sorry.
I used to run veg room 24/7 before.
Now I shut down all my lights in veg room. Then this 1000 watt Amazon special comes on.
I disconnected one side. So 50 true watts say.
Just enough to prevent chemical production for flowering.
But it gives them a rest. Relax hang out chat wit Waldo. Who may be lost in the jungle some where. So running them full steam 24/7 isn't best case practice.
This is working quite well .every other day 4-6 hrs is what I'm experimenting with now. I'll keep you updated, but its helping so far.
Thats what I need isn't it .
More plants that grow faster.
Bill
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What do you think about the thought of moving the autos outside to finish however they finish and bringing the beast in to start budding now? How bad would that hurt the autos do you think? It would cut their light cycle down from 22/2.TWILIGHT
Awful movie.
But one of the big companies in so-cal has been doing research on it.
Can't remember name sorry.
I used to run veg room 24/7 before.
Now I shut down all my lights in veg room. Then this 1000 watt Amazon special comes on.
I disconnected one side. So 50 true watts say.
Just enough to prevent chemical production for flowering.
But it gives them a rest. Relax hang out chat wit Waldo. Who may be lost in the jungle some where. So running them full steam 24/7 isn't best case practice.
This is working quite well .every other day 4-6 hrs is what I'm experimenting with now. I'll keep you updated, but its helping so far.
Thats what I need isn't it .
More plants that grow faster.
Bill
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Well, Mother Nature just threw a wrench into the plan. I just woke up and checked the outside plant, and guess what? The goddamn thing is budding. Check out the pictures.
So NOW what do I do?
Options, and these are the only two I can think of:
- Leave the plant outside to bud. Problem with that is that the days are getting longer. The plant may get confused and go hermie. That's what I would expect to happen if I leave it outside. But I honestly don't know.
- Switch the autos to outdoors and let them finish and move the plant into the tent TODAY, and when the lights go out at around when it would get dark outside, 8, say, put them on a 12/12, 8 to 8 in this example, since that's approximately what they've been getting naturally.
I think two is the only option. This Jelly Rancher has more value to me by itself than the entire tent of autos put together. No brainer, right? Move them out, switch in the plant?
HELP!!!!
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Hey @Backlipslide, any chance I can get you to take a look at my most recent post in my journal and chime in? I have a problem I'm not sure how to deal with. Thanks!!!!Seed addiction is real!
If you reveg it the thing will never fit back in the house.Well, Mother Nature just threw a wrench into the plan. I just woke up and checked the outside plant, and guess what? The goddamn thing is budding. Check out the pictures.
So NOW what do I do?
Options, and these are the only two I can think of:
- Leave the plant outside to bud. Problem with that is that the days are getting longer. The plant may get confused and go hermie. That's what I would expect to happen if I leave it outside. But I honestly don't know.
- Switch the autos to outdoors and let them finish and move the plant into the tent TODAY, and when the lights go out at around when it would get dark outside, 8, say, put them on a 12/12, 8 to 8 in this example, since that's approximately what they've been getting naturally.
I think two is the only option. This Jelly Rancher has more value to me by itself than the entire tent of autos put together. No brainer, right? Move them out, switch in the plant?
HELP!!!!
Autos out move her in.
Bill
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Outdoor Jelly Rancher Update
I woke up to a budding plant. CRAP. Not what I wanted to see. So now I guess I have a decision to make. Do I leave this girl to bud outside? The days are getting longer, not shorter. I can see her getting confused and ending up hermie. Or, do I move the remaining autos to finish on the back porch where the JR is now and put her into the tent on 12/12 to bud? How bad will putting the autos outside and suddenly going from 22/2 to say 15/9 hurt them and compromise them?
Any input on this is greatly appreciated. I honestly have no idea what to do.
If anyone wants to try and tell me this plant is NOT budding, I'm all ears. But I don't think that's the case.
I woke up to a budding plant. CRAP. Not what I wanted to see. So now I guess I have a decision to make. Do I leave this girl to bud outside? The days are getting longer, not shorter. I can see her getting confused and ending up hermie. Or, do I move the remaining autos to finish on the back porch where the JR is now and put her into the tent on 12/12 to bud? How bad will putting the autos outside and suddenly going from 22/2 to say 15/9 hurt them and compromise them?
Any input on this is greatly appreciated. I honestly have no idea what to do.
If anyone wants to try and tell me this plant is NOT budding, I'm all ears. But I don't think that's the case.
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Yup I agree. She's already gonna be hard to get in the tent. Also, I guess I should release all her bonds and drop a screen on her? Hell, since she's budding, she will not stretch, right? I guess the stretch is what I was just dealing with and didn't realize it?If you reveg it the thing will never fit back in the house.
Autos out move her in.
Bill
She probably has a few days of stretch left in her.
A screen will help align her under the light.
She is beautiful.
Bill
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Thank you Bill. You're a lifesaver. This plant has great value to me. She's survived so much already and I finally have her to a state as close to perfection as I'm ever going to have. Now she wants to bud. But she is a beautiful plant with a lot of bud sites and a fairly even natural canopy. I think she's a half pound plant at least. Especially by herself to play in the tent with unlimited space. Guess we'll see how she likes budding under a new, relatively cheap quantum board and two blurples on veg/bloom. This grow gets more interesting by the day, I must say. Thanks again man.
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I could see from inside the house looking outside at the plant as I approached it from the living room that something was up. Every single day I woke up and did this and the plant was visibly taller from a distance. Today I could see immediately that she hadn't moved one iota overnight. So I was like, uh oh, now what. Lmao.
