You might want to check @Moony's post on those plant benders, btw. He gave me a great heads up on them, and said sometimes they hold the stems in such a way that the pressure causes breaks after three of four days. I've never used them but I banked that information.Ok - if you say so! Its funny cuz last night I was viewing the playback from my camera, and in less than 12 hours you could go from seeing clearly where I used the plant benders to it looking like I did nothing *lol*