Stoned4Daze's Outdoor Greenhouse Grow 2013

[Stoned4daze61]

I suppose pests are all part of the fun when you head into the outdoors. Had never really thought of it that way, being an indoor grower. Having to keep up with sprays etc must add a whole new aspect to growing.

Do you find the sprays have any effect on bud taste at the end?

I don't think I would call the pests part of the fun But they are definitely a part of growing outdoors ! I've never noticed any effects on bud taste, but then again I try not to spray during the middle or end of flowering. Not only because it's a bad idea to spray the harsh chemicals on the developed buds, it is pretty much a bad idea to spray anything on the developed buds. Once they get to a certain point in flowering when they start to bulken up and become dense you don't really want to spray anything on the buds at that point because it is just asking for Budrot. I would rather smoke a few spidermites then smoke some bud that was infested w/spidermites and then sprayed down with a pesticide late in flowering. Then you will be smoking dead spidermites, chemicals, & possibly moldy bud.

I alternate between two sprays every week, BT Thuricide which is for caterpillars, & Azatrol which is an OMRI certified broad-range insecticide. I will continue alternating sprays until the middle of flowering, or until the buds start to dense up. By that time the plants are almost finished and the pest population is so diminished that they should be able to finish up without any problems, and if i do spot any pests then my last two lines of defense are to spray my entire grow room down except the plants, and if that doesn't work then I can remove the plants for a day and use an aerosol fogger which will eliminate any & all pests. I've never had to use my last two lines of defense because using preventive measures every week during the grow should control the pest population, those are just simply last resorts that I have on hand in case an infestation does occur!

I am wondering the same thing. Some of the chemicals for pest control are rather nasty. It would seem you need to be rather selective about what you would use.

Yes some pest control chemicals are very unhealthy ! The hot shot no pest strips I use are great, they release a chemical in the air that kills a broad range of insects but it is unhealthy for humans ! It states on the back to not use in an area that will be occupied by humans for more then 4 hours a day. Therefore I only use it during the off season because I feel unsafe in the growroom with it in there ! Most forms of pest control are unhealthy, that is why it is important to START with a clean & sanitized grow area and use a broad range insecticide weekly to prevent an infestation ! I highly recommend using Azatrol

 

[Mono]

That's some good info for outdoor growers

 

[Stoned4daze61]

That's some good info for outdoor growers

Thanks It also applies to indoor growers as well ! Even though it is much harder for a infestation to start indoors since it is an airtight enclosed area, it is also much easier for insects to multiply since the conditions are near perfect for the insects to breed. My advice to any grower, indoor or outdoor, is to wipe down your entire growroom with bleach & soapy water after every harvest, and to alternate broad range insecticides every week. Using these preventive measures is far more effective then waiting until you see insects, by then it might be too late !

 

[Mono]

Thanks It also applies to indoor growers as well ! Even though it is much harder for a infestation to start indoors since it is an airtight enclosed area, it is also much easier for insects to multiply since the conditions are near perfect for the insects to breed. My advice to any grower, indoor or outdoor, is to wipe down your entire growroom with bleach & soapy water after every harvest, and to alternate broad range insecticides every week. Using these preventive measures is far more effective then waiting until you see insects, by then it might be too late !

I fully agree with that! I got fungus gnats at the end of my last grow. Just did a little clean down and started again. Now I'm on the war path, constantly fighting with them.

 

[Stoned4daze61]

I fully agree with that! I got fungus gnats at the end of my last grow. Just did a little clean down and started again. Now I'm on the war path, constantly fighting with them.

That's a bummer, sorry to hear that ! Fungas gnats are a real pain, and unfortunately many soils seem to come pre-infested with them. When dealing with fungas gnats, it is more important to focus on exterminating the soil-borne larvae then the actual adult fungas gnats flying around. The adult fungas gnats flying around will die off eventually since they have a short life span, you want to focus on killing the larvae in the soil before they hatch and reach the surface. Go pick up some Azatrol or Azamax ! You can mix it up as a foliar spray and spray down the plants to kills things like spidermites, caterpillars, aphids, etc. or you can mix it up as a soil drench and heavily water the plant so the soil is drenched, hence the name. That will kill soil borne pests such as fungas gnats !

 

[GreatLife4All]

is to wipe down your entire growroom with bleach & soapy water after every harvest

I have only grown indoors... but have never had an infestation of any kind. I follow this advice religiously.

Bleach is your friend.

 

[Stoned4daze61]

Update: 6/12/13​

I'd first like to apologize for the much overdue update, I've been very busy lately and I ran into some roadblocks. I'm thankful to say they are out of the way now and I will begin posting updates at least once a week and that is a promise !​

It's been quite a while since my last update, so I guess it is time to play catch up ! Unfortunately my plants started prematurely flowering once again I'm am unsure of what caused it but I'm guessing it is because my greenhouse is shaded for a few hours of the day. This is the last time I will be encountering this problem ! After I flower this round of plants in the greenhouse I will be converting indoor with a 600w for a perpetual grow. Since they began to prematurely flower, I lost some very valuable Veg time but I am hoping I can still get them to a decent size with the remaining time I have left to Veg !

The moment I noticed them beginning to flower I brought them indoors and threw them under some CFL's & my 150w hps. This was on May 3rd. After about 2-3 weeks under 20/4 indoors they gradually started transitioning back into Veg. They are still going to be flowered outdoors, I will move them into the greenhouse around the beginning of August.

Here is the list of current strains w/pics !

Strains:
(Clones from local dispensary)
- G13 Labs Pineapple Express (female): Acquired 5/5, Transplanted into hempy 5/21, Began LST 6/3

- Lemon Larry OG (female): Acquired 5/5, Transplanted into party cup on 5/5 but was barely rooting

- Ocean Grown Genetics Alien Abduction #20 (female): Acquired 5/5, Transplanted into 5Gal DWC, Began LST about a week later, Heavily topped 5/29

(Seeds from local Dispensary)
- (5) Ocean Grown Genetics Wizard Potion (unconfirmed sex): Sprouted 5/12, Transplanted into party cup hempy's 5/21, two were topped on 5/29, remaining three were topped on 6/7

(Revegged seeds from Attitude)
- Nirvana Snow White (feminized): Sprouted 3/18, Moved indoors 5/3, Transplanted into 3gal fabric pot on 5/21 (50% promix hp/ 50% perlite), Topped 6/2

- TGA Subcool Vortex (confirmed female): Sprouted 3/21, Moved indoors 5/3, Transplanted into hempy 5/21 & began LST

- DNA OG #18 (feminized): Sprouted 3/18, Moved indoors 5/3, Transplanted into hempy 5/21 & began LST

Here are some group pics of them while they are soaking up a few hours of natural sunlight

Here is where they spend the majority of their time vegging

Just in case you were wondering why some of the plants look bare, I have defoliated several times, I know it is a constant debate whether defoliating is harmful or helpful, however it is necessary with my CFL's and personally I notice a positive effect!

I will have another update soon! Planning on transplanting the 5 Wizard Potions into larger hempy's sometime this week and am also hoping to start taking clones to fill up my 5 Gallon 12 site aero cloner within the next two weeks. My buddy and I are going to take clones to make some mothers. My goal is to get 3-5 mothers to begin my indoor perpetual grow after this harvest !

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[GreatLife4All]

Welcome back my friend.

Your plants look very good. Sorry to hear about the problems in the greenhouse. Remember, people assert that unless it is completely pitch black dark - a plant will not flower... guess your situation doesn't count.

Defoliation is definitely an interesting topic. From my experience - do it at the wrong time or to the wrong variety... and it stunts them for a week or so. I have yet to really hurt a plant by doing it though. But most varieties that I have messed with, if you do it at the right time - there is no stunting and the plants just keep growing. Personally I think it diverts energy into growing better shoots. Thinly structured sativas seem to gain nothing from it.

I took a chance and put a couple of plants outdoors - but I am trying to get them to flower despite increasing daylight. Seems to be working as they are starting to bud profusely now. I also think I burned them with too many nutrients.

I am glad you are back with us. I look forward to your contributions.

GL4A

 

[Stoned4daze61]

Thank you, I'm happy to be back !

I actually have read the same thing about plants needing complete darkness to start flowering however I started these seeds outdoors and it is still time for Vegging so I was shocked to see them start flowering. Supposedly outdoor plants notice the increase/decrease in the daylight which is what determines when they flower. People expect a plant to flower right when the daylight reaches 12 hrs, however that isn't exactly what happens outdoors. Initially from reading about indoor growing I thought a plant will begin flowering right when it reaches 12hrs but that isn't the case. A plant can start flowering with 13 hrs of light or even more, as long as it notices the days getting gradually shorter and shorter, because just like in nature, the decreasing day lengths let the plant know that winter is coming and it needs to focus it's energy on preserving itself. For instance if you took a clone that was under 24hr florescent and threw it outside, it would begin to flower immediately regardless of the time of year. Which is why I don't understand my plants prematurely flowering, I planted the seeds when the day lengths were over 13hrs and were gradually increasing a few minutes a day, ideally the plant shouldn't begin flowering outdoors where I live until end of july, or beginning of august when the day lengths begin to decrease. So this makes me wonder !

I prefer defoliating, but I use CFL's for Vegging, if I were to use a higher wattage Metal Halide then I wouldn't defoliate quite as much. Since CFL's have such weak penetration, fan leaves can easily block the lower nodes from getting any light. I also love to LST, which can create a pretty dense canopy, especially with a decent number of plants in a limited amount of space. Defoliating is definitely not necessary and will always be a controversy, but personally I find it helpful.

Goodluck on those plants you tossed outside, last year I vegged indoor and tossed them outdoors right around the proper time for flowering in my area (beginning of august) and they did great. However I vegged a second batch indoors and tossed them outdoors once the first batch was finished (around mid October) and everything was great at first. They started flowering right away because the drastic difference from going from 18+ hours of light indoors to 14 hours or less of light outdoors, however about halfway through flowering the plants began sensing the daily increase of light and began to revert back to Veg. I was left with a bunch of frosty fluffy bud, never had the chance to really dense up. So if it is possible, I would consider bringing your plants indoors everyday at the same time or even a few minutes earlier each day to essentially force flower the plants. It would suck for them to revert back to veg halfway through flowering. You could also use a tarp or something similar to put over the plants each day instead of having to bring them inside, but it might be hard to fully lightproof the tarp.

I'm unsure if you are familiar with GLR ? It is a light cycle that I will be switching to once I convert to full indoor. It requires only 13hrs of light to keep your plants vegging which cuts down electricity costs and it also improves growth rate ! It is basically a way to mimic nature for indoor growing.

Here is the how it works for vegging:

12hrs on

5.5hrs off

1hr on

5.5hrs off

The plant receives 12 hrs of light, which is followed by 5.5hrs of darkness, since it only receives 12hrs of light it expects to begin flowering during the dark period. It builds up the floral hormones during the 5.5hr dark period, which is then stopped by the 1hr light interval between the dark period. It then releases those built up floral hormones which results in growth. So basically you are tricking the plant into thinking it is going to flower, but then you break up the dark period with an hour of light. Since the plant always has a longer period of light then darkness, it will continue to veg even if you are only using 13hrs of light.

This is how the GLR light cycle works for flowering:

When you are ready to begin flowering you flip the lights to
11hrs on
13 hrs off

This sends the plants into flowering right away, the floral hormone that is continually built up is finally released when it senses a longer dark period then light period.

Then every two weeks, you reduce 30 more minutes of light to make the plant think winter is coming, essentially mimicking nature indoors. So here is a rundown of the GLR light cycle

For Veg:

12hrs on

5.5hrs off

1hr on

5.5hrs off

For flowering:

11hrs on

13 hrs off

after 2 weeks reduce 30 mins =

10.5hrs on

13.5hrs off

another 2 weeks =

10hrs on

14hrs off

another 2 weeks =

9.5hrs on

14.5hrs off

The last two weeks or so you finish with

9hrs on

15hrs off

There are a few threads regarding GLR (Gas Lantern Routine) and if anyone is interested I can post some links

 

[KingJohnC]

keep the photographs coming!

 

[Stoned4daze61]

Update: 6/17/13​

Transplanted 5 Wizard Potions into a little bit larger hempy's on the 13th​

Before

After

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Had to rearrange the closet since the plants were getting a bit crowded & added a larger cfl fixture​

Ocean Grown Genetics Alien Abduction #20 5Gal DWC​

That's it for now ! ​

 

[KingJohnC]

how long are you going to grow your Alien Abduction #20 before flowering?

 

[Stoned4daze61]

how long are you going to grow your Alien Abduction #20 before flowering?

I'm planning on flowering the Alien Abduction #20 in my greenhouse in the Beginning of August ! It should be a decent size by then. I hope to have all my plants flowering in the greenhouse by the middle to end of august. By that time I should have a few clones taken off of each plant to keep as mothers so I can begin a perpetual indoor grow after this harvest, I will begin a new journal for that !

On another note, the plants are looking good. The 5 Wizard Potions have recovered from the transplant, I've noticed some new growth already. I've raised my 150w hps and the alien abduction #20 seems to like it, the nodes are already tight so I'm hoping it will encourage it to stretch a little. I will be doing a second res change on the Alien Abduction #20 within the next week. The process of my res change goes something like this: Clean 5Gal bucket & airstone w/ bleach & soap, Fill with tap water ph'd to 7, add h202, maybe add a few ml's of Clearex, replace plant and leave for a day. I think of it as a mini flush. The next day I add nutes, check the ph and that is it !

All plants were defoliated today, growth was getting dense and large fan leaves were blocking lower nodes especially on the OG#18 ! Also re-applied the LST ties. Had to bump up the nutes since the girls were looking hungry. I will have another picture update within the next few days ! Any Comments/Advice/Questions are appreciated

Thanks for the +Reps GreatLife4All

That's it for now

 

[GreatLife4All]

How do you like that OG#18? Just curious - another that i thought about growing since I have seeds already.

 

[Stoned4daze61]

Update: 6/20/13​

Just a quick pic update

Getting their daily sunlight

Alien Abduction #20

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How do you like that OG#18? Just curious - another that i thought about growing since I have seeds already.

It seems to be a quick grower. When I move them outside each day it by far gives off the most aroma, also produces some very large fan leaves that I have to clip due to my cfls. It likes to stretch a bit more then the others, seems like it would be great for a SOG or SCROG but I have yet to flower any of these strains so I can't give you any solid info about flowering yet. Hope you stick around

Here is a few pics of the OG #18 in natural sunlight for you

 

[Stoned4daze61]

Update: 6/26/13

On the 24th, most of the plants were transplanted and all were defoliated & lollipopped​

2 Gallon Aurora Root Pot (60%perlite/40%promix)​

- Snow White
- OG #18
- Pineapple Express
- Vortex​

Mixed 1 Gallon Containers (60%perlite/40%promix)​

- 2 Wizard Potions : 1 Gallon Aurora Root Pots
- 2 Wizard Potions : 1 Gallon Super Root Airpots
- 1 Wizard Potion : 1 Gallon Plastic Nursery Container
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Veg Closet

OG #18 after being defoliated & lollipopped

Alien Abduction #20 in 5 Gallon DWC Root Porn

Alien Abduction #20 in 5 Gallon DWC after being defoliated & lollipopped

Here they are getting their daily sunlight

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I have about 6 weeks left to Veg, it will be interesting to see how big I can get these girls by then! Hope you stick around ​

 

[Conradino23]

Nice grow, man
Quick question concerning defoliation / heavy pruning: do you see quicker bud growth due to it?

 

[Ascended Master Kief]

Hoping everything is going well! I'm subbed!

 

[David Bowman]

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