Gangalicious Experimental Med Grow Lab - Part 3A - Flowering a Plant with 2 x 90W LED

[gangalicious]

Re: Gangalicious Experimental Med Grow Lab, Part 3a: flowering a plant with 2 X 90W L

Hey man your plant is looking Great. Gonna be some good smoke. what are your temps running? I decided to keep my lights too. the plants seem to be loving it.

I've never tried LED-grown medicine, but I hear it's some good smoke.

With the lights on, temps generally range 81-84F, usually about 3 degrees higher than ambient room temperature. I'd say 82F is the average temp with lights on.

When the lights are off, the temps drop to around 76-78F.

I thought for sure you were gonna swap out the lights, but if the plants are loving it, then why change?

May i ask?How is this comparying to your cfl set up in comparison.

Good question, but it is difficult to make a fair comparison because my CFL grows were significantly higher-powered with more wattage in both lighting and cooling. The CFL setup (at 256W) used 42% more energy for lighting alone compared to the current grow (around 180W). I'll send one of my minions to run some numbers with the actual wattages of all the fans and stuff and see if I can get a better picture of energy usage.

At this time point, the (higher-powered) CFLs had produced fuller, more developed flowers, with greater pistil density and trichome development. The plants were shorter and hardly stretched with the CFLs compared to the the LEDs.

But, living in the LED cab, JJ appears to be healthier than any plant I've ever grown in my life, cannabis or otherwise. It was very dramatic when I moved her from the CFL cab, where she vegged, to the LED cab. Within one day she looked much healthier - color, texture, everything.

Temperatures are much easier to control in the LED cab, which averages just a few degrees above room temperature. The CFL box often averaged 8-10 degrees above ambient, and the temperature at canopy level was even worse until I installed the bathroom fan as exhaust.

JJ's flowering seems behind if I compare photos directly. About a ten day difference the last I checked, but over the last couple of days I've been sensing she's picking up some steam. I predict she is going to be a beautiful plant in flowering . . .

 

[turttle]

Re: Gangalicious Experimental Med Grow Lab, Part 3a: flowering a plant with 2 X 90W L

I've never tried LED-grown medicine, but I hear it's some good smoke.

With the lights on, temps generally range 81-84F, usually about 3 degrees higher than ambient room temperature. I'd say 82F is the average temp with lights on.

When the lights are off, the temps drop to around 76-78F.

I thought for sure you were gonna swap out the lights, but if the plants are loving it, then why change?



Good question, but it is difficult to make a fair comparison because my CFL grows were significantly higher-powered with more wattage in both lighting and cooling. The CFL setup (at 256W) used 42% more energy for lighting alone compared to the current grow (around 180W). I'll send one of my minions to run some numbers with the actual wattages of all the fans and stuff and see if I can get a better picture of energy usage.

At this time point, the (higher-powered) CFLs had produced fuller, more developed flowers, with greater pistil density and trichome development. The plants were shorter and hardly stretched with the CFLs compared to the the LEDs.

But, living in the LED cab, JJ appears to be healthier than any plant I've ever grown in my life, cannabis or otherwise. It was very dramatic when I moved her from the CFL cab, where she vegged, to the LED cab. Within one day she looked much healthier - color, texture, everything.

Temperatures are much easier to control in the LED cab, which averages just a few degrees above room temperature. The CFL box often averaged 8-10 degrees above ambient, and the temperature at canopy level was even worse until I installed the bathroom fan as exhaust.

JJ's flowering seems behind if I compare photos directly. About a ten day difference the last I checked, but over the last couple of days I've been sensing she's picking up some steam. I predict she is going to be a beautiful plant in flowering . . .

All in all the led is pretty much performing watt for watt and not the advertised 90watt=400watt hid?But the up side is the led is producing a much healthier looking plant.Have you tried running just the red lights for the last few hrs of your 12hr lights on or just turning one of the blues off?This may incourage budding.I dont know i havent tried but seems like it would help till the buds get established then you could kick the blue back on for growth.I have noticed on my lights as i have one swiched then the uther is mixed with out the swiches and the bud seems to open up more neerest to the red spec.But hardly noticable.I am trading mine for the 250 in a few weeks when they come out one of my problems is i have to big of space to run just 2 and i think running the 3 watt chipset would be better than running 4 1 watt 90s to fill the space.Idk?I realy enjoy your grows you realy do have that grape thumb.I like the ice strain i am also going to grow some ice in a hydro set up once i get everthing togeather.Your plants going to be REALY FROSTY under those leds?

 

[gangalicious]

Re: Gangalicious Experimental Med Grow Lab, Part 3a: flowering a plant with 2 X 90W L

All in all the led is pretty much performing watt for watt and not the advertised 90watt=400watt hid?But the up side is the led is producing a much healthier looking plant.Have you tried running just the red lights for the last few hrs of your 12hr lights on or just turning one of the blues off?This may incourage budding.I dont know i havent tried but seems like it would help till the buds get established then you could kick the blue back on for growth.I have noticed on my lights as i have one swiched then the utherest to the red speer is mixed with out the swiches and the bud seems to open up more nec.But hardly noticable.I am trading mine for the 250 in a few weeks when they come out one of my problems is i have to big of space to run just 2 and i think running the 3 watt chipset would be better than running 4 1 watt 90s to fill the space.Idk?I realy enjoy your grows you realy do have that grape thumb.I like the ice strain i am also going to grow some ice in a hydro set up once i get everthing togeather.Your plants going to be REALY FROSTY under those leds?

I didn't pay any attention whatsoever to "watts-of-this-is-equal-to-watts-of-that" marketing nonsense when I shopped for lights. I've never grown with HID, but I think it's clear that 90W does not equal 400W for most performance measures. In fact, based on what I've seen here, 180W is not equivalent either, not by a long shot. However, there are other variables to consider. I simply could not run HPS here in the Summer. If I did run HPS, then I'd have to spend significantly more on cooling. Also, as you noted, the plants under the LED are super-healthy. So, when they say 90W=400W, what does that mean? And what variables have been factored into that equation? I don't have any idea, and I don't think (some) vendors do either, although I've been seeing more sites with more sensible claims lately.

I have not tried switching off any lights. Is there any way you can post some pics of your plants showing the difference under the leds?

Yes, I'm really interested in the 250W unit too. I can't remember, how big is your space again? The 3W leds in the mixed arrangement should be a huge improvement, but I don't know if one 250 could replace all 4 90s. Maybe though, because of the design improvements. And it would depend on your situation too.

Yeah, you should like that strain in a hydro setup and I'd like to see it!

And yes, I'm hoping she gets crazy frosty!

 

[turttle]

Re: Gangalicious Experimental Med Grow Lab, Part 3a: flowering a plant with 2 X 90W L

I didn't pay any attention whatsoever to "watts-of-this-is-equal-to-watts-of-that" marketing nonsense when I shopped for lights. I've never grown with HID, but I think it's clear that 90W does not equal 400W for most performance measures. In fact, based on what I've seen here, 180W is not equivalent either, not by a long shot. However, there are other variables to consider. I simply could not run HPS here in the Summer. If I did run HPS, then I'd have to spend significantly more on cooling. Also, as you noted, the plants under the LED are super-healthy. So, when they say 90W=400W, what does that mean? And what variables have been factored into that equation? I don't have any idea, and I don't think (some) vendors do either, although I've been seeing more sites with more sensible claims lately.

I have not tried switching off any lights. Is there any way you can post some pics of your plants showing the difference under the leds?

Yes, I'm really interested in the 250W unit too. I can't remember, how big is your space again? The 3W leds in the mixed arrangement should be a huge improvement, but I don't know if one 250 could replace all 4 90s. Maybe though, because of the design improvements. And it would depend on your situation too.

Yeah, you should like that strain in a hydro setup and I'd like to see it!

And yes, I'm hoping she gets crazy frosty!

I would have taken some picks but it was not a full grow i was just testing the lights to see if they would be sufficient for my indoor grow.Took her out today and put her in the hemp garden.I purchased a tent 2x4x5.5 and built an enlarged stealth hydro earoponic set up kinda like a dwc with pumps on a timer that will run water up to the roots.Roots really like that extra 02:]

And yes i also understand what you are saying about heat issues.I my self have that same problem gets realy hot hear.I just kinda wanted to get that comparison out there between led and hid.Most of us are honest people and realy work hard for our dallars and i believe its only fair to get the truth out.And the truth is that these lights dont compare...Not in there claims any way.But watt for watt a quality led will blow hid out of the grow room.An hid can not produce healthy sticky glisteny...It is just something you cant compare you would half to see it first hand.
My theory is i believe i will get more use out of a 3 watt diode as i think its going to produce more output intensity that the plant will obsorb with out her streching for more light.But if i had 4 90 watt i believe all i am doing is increasing the area of the grow with same results...........I think.If it works I will more than likely purchase another one to cover each side of the 2x4x5.5ft tent and do away with my hid.Right now the plants are at there leagal amount so i am going to half to wait until some are harvested to start this grow.This is just something to do the real garden is out side.But this is nice to start some streins that are not indiginouse to this area and better suited for hydro.When i get the 250 watt in and get some plants started i will put some pics up.It wont be a journal but some dated mj porn.I dont think i can right everthing i do in a journal each plants tlc is different I just listen to the ladeis needs and give them what they want.

 

[turttle]

Re: Gangalicious Experimental Med Grow Lab, Part 3a: flowering a plant with 2 X 90W L

Just migrated outside.Started under t5.All flowering accured under 2 90 watt ufos before moving her outside

 

[turttle]

Re: Gangalicious Experimental Med Grow Lab, Part 3a: flowering a plant with 2 X 90W L

Ok it took me a min to resize but here is a pick of the led bud just put out side and the one next to her is her sister that has been outside pretty much been overcast so not much sun.The top is the led bud she has been outside no more than a few hrs.This is my pops grow area so he gets all the credit from here on.I think they will put on some weight by october:]

 

[gangalicious]

Re: Gangalicious Experimental Med Grow Lab, Part 3a: flowering a plant with 2 X 90W L

Day 34

 

[gangalicious]

Re: Gangalicious Experimental Med Grow Lab, Part 3a: flowering a plant with 2 X 90W L

My theory is i believe i will get more use out of a 3 watt diode as i think its going to produce more output intensity that the plant will obsorb with out her streching for more light.But if i had 4 90 watt i believe all i am doing is increasing the area of the grow with same results...........I think.If it works I will more than likely purchase another one to cover each side of the 2x4x5.5ft tent and do away with my hid.. . . This is just something to do the real garden is out side.But this is nice to start some streins that are not indiginouse to this area and better suited for hydro.When i get the 250 watt in and get some plants started i will put some pics up.It wont be a journal but some dated mj porn.I dont think i can right everthing i do in a journal each plants tlc is different I just listen to the ladeis needs and give them what they want.

Absolutely, I would go with the 3W diodes in the new design. Are you saying you would then possibly put two 250 watt units in the tent? I'd bet that'd produce some incredible nuggetry!

What strains are you thinking about for the tent?

Just migrated outside.Started under t5.All flowering accured under 2 90 watt ufos before moving her outside

Wow, what amazing color on that lady! Beautiful! And what's that behind her kinda poppin out to the right? And in the back, is that hemp? With the gigantic leaves?

Ok it took me a min to resize but here is a pick of the led bud just put out side and the one next to her is her sister that has been outside pretty much been overcast so not much sun.The top is the led bud she has been outside no more than a few hrs.This is my pops grow area so he gets all the credit from here on.I think they will put on some weight by october:]

Amazing comparison photo! Thanks so much! You can really see the difference between the two plants, and even with the overcast skies that outdoor plant looks great!

Oh, and don't let pops take too much credit now! Look at what you're giving him to work with!

Thanks again for the amazing and very interesting posts.

 

[turttle]

Re: Gangalicious Experimental Med Grow Lab, Part 3a: flowering a plant with 2 X 90W L

The one behind her is another purple widow which i believe is a must grow it is a veary nice plant with half setiva and indica with a huge bud rate.The ones in the back are the monsters he has some mazar,afgani,bubble gum,and possible sum super skunk.Right now they are about 6-9 ft and about 4ft round and are just starting to bud.I think by september there should be some poundage......Just a little:]
Yes I am still waiting on the 250.I am really hoping it does well.I just put togeather my lumetek 250-400 watt hps with a little 55 watt duct fan on a cool tube.Few hrs a day there shouldnt be any heat issues.But i will only be running led until I feal its necesary to use the hps.And eeeh I kinda have thoughts of a little bit of a bigger tent?But the main goal is energy efficient and staying in the 400watt range so we will see how these lights perform:]I have 2 resevoirs with 4 nets in each(I dont get the feminized seeds$$:[) I think I am going to start out with some ice and maybe something else.I have some super skunk but not sure what streins i want to put in the same environment.I have some mango that I am realy looking forward to growing but I am going to weight and veg inside for a while then put out side for next year.These plants are huge with buds the size of a womans calf.

 

[turttle]

Re: Gangalicious Experimental Med Grow Lab, Part 3a: flowering a plant with 2 X 90W L

Ow lol that thing popping out from the right is a tree stump wanting to grow back I realy honestly dont know why he didnt take care of that before extending his garden lol.

 

[gangalicious]

Re: Gangalicious Experimental Med Grow Lab, Part 3a: flowering a plant with 2 X 90W L

The one behind her is another purple widow which i believe is a must grow it is a veary nice plant with half setiva and indica with a huge bud rate.The ones in the back are the monsters he has some mazar,afgani,bubble gum,and possible sum super skunk.Right now they are about 6-9 ft and about 4ft round and are just starting to bud.I think by september there should be some poundage......Just a little:]
Yes I am still waiting on the 250.I am really hoping it does well.I just put togeather my lumetek 250-400 watt hps with a little 55 watt duct fan on a cool tube.Few hrs a day there shouldnt be any heat issues.But i will only be running led until I feal its necesary to use the hps.And eeeh I kinda have thoughts of a little bit of a bigger tent?But the main goal is energy efficient and staying in the 400watt range so we will see how these lights perform:]I have 2 resevoirs with 4 nets in each(I dont get the feminized seeds$$:[) I think I am going to start out with some ice and maybe something else.I have some super skunk but not sure what streins i want to put in the same environment.I have some mango that I am realy looking forward to growing but I am going to weight and veg inside for a while then put out side for next year.These plants are huge with buds the size of a womans calf.

Good Gravy! Over 6 feet tall and 4 ft around! What a beautiful outdoor garden! I wish I could do the same . . . some day. . .

Mazar, Afghani, Super Skunk, Bubble Gum, Purple Widow, Mango . . . What a lineup! Good grief, you guys aren't messin' around!

The size of a woman's calf !? LOL Gonna have to go read up on Mango with that kind of description.

 

[gangalicious]

Re: Gangalicious Experimental Med Grow Lab, Part 3a: flowering a plant with 2 X 90W L

Ow lol that thing popping out from the right is a tree stump wanting to grow back I realy honestly dont know why he didnt take care of that before extending his garden lol.

Actually, I was just talking about the other purple widow that is behind the main one. Didn't even notice a stump.

The garden is kick-ass, stump or no stump!

Hey, do you think if you get the chance and if it's okay w/ ur pops, you could get a shot of one of those massive leaves on that plant in the background? Is that the Mazar or Afghani?

So jealous.

 

[turttle]

Re: Gangalicious Experimental Med Grow Lab, Part 3a: flowering a plant with 2 X 90W L

Actually, I was just talking about the other purple widow that is behind the main one. Didn't even notice a stump.

The garden is kick-ass, stump or no stump!

Hey, do you think if you get the chance and if it's okay w/ ur pops, you could get a shot of one of those massive leaves on that plant in the background? Is that the Mazar or Afghani?

So jealous.

Yeah they are pretty beefy.I am also jelouse of him to have the space to leagaly grow nice plants like that.They still have a lot of growing to go I will look into that and get some quality pics once there all in the ground.The biggest fan leaves i beleive are the afghani.OW wait.dur dur durrrrr.Yes the shorty on the right is mazar.
How is your grow doing.I cant wait to start my indoor.I like how you just tied down the main stock with out topping.That is a great idea when dealing with alternate light.

 

[turttle]

Re: Gangalicious Experimental Med Grow Lab, Part 3a: flowering a plant with 2 X 90W L

Good Gravy! Over 6 feet tall and 4 ft around! What a beautiful outdoor garden! I wish I could do the same . . . some day. . .

Mazar, Afghani, Super Skunk, Bubble Gum, Purple Widow, Mango . . . What a lineup! Good grief, you guys aren't messin' around!

The size of a woman's calf !? LOL Gonna have to go read up on Mango with that kind of description.

Mango
[KC Brains]

Indica
Origins - Mango x KC 33
Flowering - 63-77 days
Harvest - Early November


Mango's parentage is part KC 33 and part Mango from a hippie fellow who grew it for 30 years, then let KC use it as a cross in 1991. This variety is a 100 percent indica strain that grows large and produces prodigiously.

Don't let Mango's slow start fool you - this variety will eventually rival the impressive size of many KC varieties, which are especially intended for outdoor grows. If you want Mango to stay at an average size in an outdoor garden, allow only 3 weeks of vegetative time and transplant outdoors as late as July in Northern latitudes. Mango can also be grown in an indoor garden, but needs a lot of space. If you want some monster indoor plants, allow seedlings or clones to vegetate for 3-4 weeks before changing to a 12/12 light regimen. Mango gardeners must rule with an iron fist if they want to manage the size of this plant, and it is important to start the discipline early. Accomplish this by starting the flowering phase about 1-2 weeks after the seedling has sprouted and proven vigorous. Once established, Mango plants will grow so fast, you can practically watch them change height in front of your eyes.

Mango buds are massive and weighty, growing to lengths of 18 inches and the cicumference of a woman's calf. Luckily the branches give sturdy support. As it matures, this plant's foliage can turn a very red to reddish purple color. The smell and taste are decidedly sweet mango and the stone is an even, mellow body sensation.

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[gangalicious]

Re: Gangalicious Experimental Med Grow Lab, Part 3a: flowering a plant with 2 X 90W L

Yeah they are pretty beefy.I am also jelouse of him to have the space to leagaly grow nice plants like that.They still have a lot of growing to go I will look into that and get some quality pics once there all in the ground.The biggest fan leaves i beleive are the afghani.OW wait.dur dur durrrrr.Yes the shorty on the right is mazar.
How is your grow doing.I cant wait to start my indoor.I like how you just tied down the main stock with out topping.That is a great idea when dealing with alternate light.

Hey turttle, the grow is moving along fine and JJ is looking mighty healthy. It's day 41 of flower, so we're in the "slow" 40s period. Things should pick up in the next 10-14 days. The 50s and 60s are coming up . . .

Although I didn't top her, I did tie down branches and stuff and removed lots of the lower branches and foliage too ("lollipop" style). Tying down the branches really seems to make the plants bushy and branchy and helps with height issues too. Lollipop-ing should help direct more of her resources toward the tops for fuller buds.

 

[gangalicious]

Re: Gangalicious Experimental Med Grow Lab, Part 3a: flowering a plant with 2 X 90W L

Mango

If you want Mango to stay at an average size in an outdoor garden, allow only 3 weeks of vegetative time and transplant outdoors as late as July in Northern latitudes. Mango can also be grown in an indoor garden, but needs a lot of space. If you want some monster indoor plants, allow seedlings or clones to vegetate for 3-4 weeks before changing to a 12/12 light regimen. Mango gardeners must rule with an iron fist if they want to manage the size of this plant, and it is important to start the discipline early. Accomplish this by starting the flowering phase about 1-2 weeks after the seedling has sprouted and proven vigorous. Once established, Mango plants will grow so fast, you can practically watch them change height in front of your eyes.

Mango buds are massive and weighty, growing to lengths of 18 inches and the cicumference of a woman's calf. Luckily the branches give sturdy support. As it matures, this plant's foliage can turn a very red to reddish purple color. The smell and taste are decidedly sweet mango and the stone is an even, mellow body sensation

All this talk of buds the size of a woman's calf and fan leaves the size of Dumbo's ears is driving me crazy!

Thanks for the info on the mango strain.

"Mango gardeners must rule with an iron fist!"

 

[gangalicious]

Re: Gangalicious Experimental Med Grow Lab, Part 3a: flowering a plant with 2 X 90W L

Day 42 Pics!

 

[turttle]

Re: Gangalicious Experimental Med Grow Lab, Part 3a: flowering a plant with 2 X 90W L

I was reading some threads and I guess what growledhydro is doing along with Irishboy is they are taking out the lenses from the units.I looked at my unit and noticed that they realy do reflect back off the lense.I think by carefully removing the lense the light is going to be better blended and is going to have a noticable amount of penetration.plus it will run cooler which is better for the diodes as the light slightly degrades as temps go up in the unit from what i hear.I think when i get my 250 I am going to ask them to remove the lense.
But Idk your plant seem to be looking pretty good

 

[gangalicious]

Re: Gangalicious Experimental Med Grow Lab, Part 3a: flowering a plant with 2 X 90W L

I was reading some threads and I guess what growledhydro is doing along with Irishboy is they are taking out the lenses from the units.I looked at my unit and noticed that they realy do reflect back off the lense.I think by carefully removing the lense the light is going to be better blended and is going to have a noticable amount of penetration.plus it will run cooler which is better for the diodes as the light slightly degrades as temps go up in the unit from what i hear.I think when i get my 250 I am going to ask them to remove the lense.
But Idk your plant seem to be looking pretty good

I guess I forgot to mention it earlier, but I also removed the glass some time back, lemme see, around day 17 because JJ was stretching like crazy and I had read that Irishboy had done it with his setup.

I think the purpose of the glass is mostly as a protective barrier for the diodes against water/moisture seepage and being struck directly. So, I'm just gonna make sure never to spray the ufos with water or drop them. Or throw rocks at them. Or otherwise strike the diodes directly.

However, I found the spark plug method for UFO glass removal to have some serious drawbacks. Or maybe I didn't do it right. I dunno. There were tiny shards of glass everywhere and the pieces did not come out easily because of the glue. And the glass is really close to the diodes. Then, once I got the big pieces out, there were millions of tiny flakes of glass everywhere. Cleanup took forever, but tweezers and some sticky tape helped out quite a bit.

Ya, I'd see if they could just send you the 250 without the glass!

 

[turttle]

Re: Gangalicious Experimental Med Grow Lab, Part 3a: flowering a plant with 2 X 90W L

I guess I forgot to mention it earlier, but I also removed the glass some time back, lemme see, around day 17 because JJ was stretching like crazy and I had read that Irishboy had done it with his setup.

I think the purpose of the glass is mostly as a protective barrier for the diodes against water/moisture seepage and being struck directly. So, I'm just gonna make sure never to spray the ufos with water or drop them. Or throw rocks at them. Or otherwise strike the diodes directly.

However, I found the spark plug method for UFO glass removal to have some serious drawbacks. Or maybe I didn't do it right. I dunno. There were tiny shards of glass everywhere and the pieces did not come out easily because of the glue. And the glass is really close to the diodes. Then, once I got the big pieces out, there were millions of tiny flakes of glass everywhere. Cleanup took forever, but tweezers and some sticky tape helped out quite a bit.

The glass is glued in?Is the pannel the leds sit in glued in as well.I build scale rc airplanes and have industrial adhesive removers I dont think I would want to break the glass out.But if led pannel is also glued in I guess.

I will definatly do this with my 250 model.I am veging some tomatoes under one of the 90s right now to get the hang of hydro the light seems to be performing veary well.I also hung a curtain of mylar up between my tent so the grow area is 2x2.