SweetSue's Cannabis Oil Study Hall

[SweetSue]

There doesn't seem to be any reasonable way to get them all without a combo. What could it hurt anyway? With everyone working on the best extraction methods of each part of possible contenders, I think it will come together nicely in the end.

I agree with you that the best approach may be a blending of decarbed and undecarbed. I remember Cajun mentioning once that one of the doctors he worked with in his clinic had a practice of making a blended oil like this. In my opinion, the more variety you can bring to the cannabinoid load the better healing effect one should anticipate.

 

[Danolo]

Hiya folks... its been a while...

We continue using Bio bombs to treat my wife's Rheumatoid Arthritis...
We started several weeks ago using a 5:1 ratio, which gave us immediate results... reduced pain, and inflammation. We continued with the 5:1 for a while, and she experienced a pretty strong soporific effect. Typically she would shove a BB and within 1/2 an hour she'd be fast asleep.

My approach to that was that sleep was healing her and we didn't want to rush too quickly to lower her dose.

For this initial period, I was very much amazed at how well the CCO worked to help her. We tried stopping using the BB's for a couple of days, but the symptoms returned with a vengeance, and so we quickly resumed using 5:1.

After a few weeks we decided to try a lower dose and so I made up some 10:1 caps and she started using them, two a day, morning and evening. They seemed to work just as well as the 5:1 at half the strength. Typically she would have one day in 7 with excessive pain and have to take a pharmaceutical ... Naproxin.

I made her up some slightly stronger caps at 7.5 :1 and she uses them if she feels like its going to be a rough day. No pharmaceuticals for the past month!

So we continued using 10:1 for several weeks. They still put her to sleep for a couple of hours right after she shoves them, but for a long time she was unwilling to try a lower dose. She said she felt "comfortable" at the 10:1. Of course I didn't dispute this and continued making the BB's at 10:1.

Then about a week ago she said she'd like to try a lower dose. The objective was to see if she still got good pain relief and inflammation reduction using 15:1. and avoid the nap time for 2 hours after shoving.

So, about 5 days ago she started on 15:1 and so far, so good. She still has good relief from pain and inflammation and the BB does not knock her out. So we are hopeful the 15:1 will be a good maintenance dose.

She mentioned this morning that she would like to try 20:1 and I think we may try that.. perhaps I'll just make up a week's supply and see how she reacts.

Bio Bombs, and the CCO definitely works!

One interesting experiment... her left wrist is often swollen and inflamed. I have one of those point-and-shoot thermometers.. and when directed at her sore wrist, it was reading 5 -6 degrees F higher than other skin surfaces. We made up a simple topical, using her fave skin creme and some CCO.... she spreads that over the wrist, wraps it in Saran wrap, and within a few minutes the pain is reduced, the swelling goes down and the surface temp drops. Just amazing. The problem with that is that the surface oil is messy. The wrap helps, but, she is an active woman, so if she gets reduced pain and inflammation, she wants to work at some thing, but if she's covered in Saran wrap it makes it difficult.

But we are very hopeful that continuing this BB treatment will provide her with long-term relief and perhaps healing.

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WE also note something else that I think is significant.

When she first went to the specialist and they diagnosed her Rheumatoid Arthritis, the doc asked her an interesting question: Had she suffered from major loss or emotional upset recently?

Well, she youngest son died of cancer... its now been almost three years and she said to me than now she's finally finding some peace with his passing. We also moved, I had two belly operations, and other things happen that caused stress. No wonder she was affected.

Now we live a quiet simple life, she's has found acceptance with the passing of her son, and other things have settled down. I don't think is co-incidental that she is getting better, and I'm sure the CCO helps.

Thanks to you all who have helped us with this journey of healing.

 

[Kicknitup1]

"Simply boil the trims in the water for 20 min. After that throw away that dirty water and then boil with butter and water for 90 min. Than the taste is fine.

As I know the boiling in the water you take the chlorophyl out of the trims. Don't worry about the potency. THC join with oil/fat (butter) only."

I too am fighting gag worthy flavors in the more concentrated coconut oil extractions. And I am open to all ideas. BUT... this idea of a water wash before adding the butter/ oil bothers me. Correct that the thc is not soluable in the water. However, I can see, especially with boiling water, (read agitation and to boot unnecessary high temps) the trichomes being "washed away" with the process. As I understand it, most of the canabinoids are on the outside of the plant, no? I think a lot of the baby will go out with the bath water.

 

[SweetSue]

"Simply boil the trims in the water for 20 min. After that throw away that dirty water and then boil with butter and water for 90 min. Than the taste is fine.

As I know the boiling in the water you take the chlorophyl out of the trims. Don't worry about the potency. THC join with oil/fat (butter) only."

I too am fighting gag worthy flavors in the more concentrated coconut oil extractions. And I am open to all ideas. BUT... this idea of a water wash before adding the butter/ oil bothers me. Correct that the thc is not soluable in the water. However, I can see, especially with boiling water, (read agitation and to boot unnecessary high temps) the trichomes being "washed away" with the process. As I understand it, most of the canabinoids are on the outside of the plant, no? I think a lot of the baby will go out with the bath water.

Your job as the oil maker, or butter maker in this case, is to be certain that your fat content is adequate to attract the vast majority of cannabinoids and to see to it that they had enough time to do so.

I make my butter in the MB2. The water extraction process makes me nervous, for the very reason you offer. I personally love the smell and the taste of every oil I've made, excepting Candy Cane. Those were by far the strangest tasting brownies I've made, and that includes brownies I made with olive oil instead of coconut. Most of the strains I've grown have made delicious oils.

 

[SweetSue]

Hiya folks... its been a while...

We continue using Bio bombs to treat my wife's Rheumatoid Arthritis...
We started several weeks ago using a 5:1 ratio, which gave us immediate results... reduced pain, and inflammation. We continued with the 5:1 for a while, and she experienced a pretty strong soporific effect. Typically she would shove a BB and within 1/2 an hour she'd be fast asleep.

My approach to that was that sleep was healing her and we didn't want to rush too quickly to lower her dose.

For this initial period, I was very much amazed at how well the CCO worked to help her. We tried stopping using the BB's for a couple of days, but the symptoms returned with a vengeance, and so we quickly resumed using 5:1.

After a few weeks we decided to try a lower dose and so I made up some 10:1 caps and she started using them, two a day, morning and evening. They seemed to work just as well as the 5:1 at half the strength. Typically she would have one day in 7 with excessive pain and have to take a pharmaceutical ... Naproxin.

I made her up some slightly stronger caps at 7.5 :1 and she uses them if she feels like its going to be a rough day. No pharmaceuticals for the past month!

So we continued using 10:1 for several weeks. They still put her to sleep for a couple of hours right after she shoves them, but for a long time she was unwilling to try a lower dose. She said she felt "comfortable" at the 10:1. Of course I didn't dispute this and continued making the BB's at 10:1.

Then about a week ago she said she'd like to try a lower dose. The objective was to see if she still got good pain relief and inflammation reduction using 15:1. and avoid the nap time for 2 hours after shoving.

So, about 5 days ago she started on 15:1 and so far, so good. She still has good relief from pain and inflammation and the BB does not knock her out. So we are hopeful the 15:1 will be a good maintenance dose.

She mentioned this morning that she would like to try 20:1 and I think we may try that.. perhaps I'll just make up a week's supply and see how she reacts.

Bio Bombs, and the CCO definitely works!

One interesting experiment... her left wrist is often swollen and inflamed. I have one of those point-and-shoot thermometers.. and when directed at her sore wrist, it was reading 5 -6 degrees F higher than other skin surfaces. We made up a simple topical, using her fave skin creme and some CCO.... she spreads that over the wrist, wraps it in Saran wrap, and within a few minutes the pain is reduced, the swelling goes down and the surface temp drops. Just amazing. The problem with that is that the surface oil is messy. The wrap helps, but, she is an active woman, so if she gets reduced pain and inflammation, she wants to work at some thing, but if she's covered in Saran wrap it makes it difficult.

But we are very hopeful that continuing this BB treatment will provide her with long-term relief and perhaps healing.

========

WE also note something else that I think is significant.

When she first went to the specialist and they diagnosed her Rheumatoid Arthritis, the doc asked her an interesting question: Had she suffered from major loss or emotional upset recently?

Well, she youngest son died of cancer... its now been almost three years and she said to me than now she's finally finding some peace with his passing. We also moved, I had two belly operations, and other things happen that caused stress. No wonder she was affected.

Now we live a quiet simple life, she's has found acceptance with the passing of her son, and other things have settled down. I don't think is co-incidental that she is getting better, and I'm sure the CCO helps.

Thanks to you all who have helped us with this journey of healing.

Danolo......

That's the kind of report I always hope for. Another member drug free.

The most dangerous stress, from an ECS perspective, is emotional stress. That feeling of hopelessness and the sense of being out of control sends all the wrong messages to the body, and it responds to what you're feeling, not what you want to feel. It doesn't surprise me that such an overload of emotional stress would have this devastating effect on her. I'm pleased that she's finding peace with the challenges life brought her.

Now you understand why I keep pushing you all to joyful expression. It's that mindset that clears all the signal channels and reduces tension so your body can communicate with itself and heal you the way you're evolved to. Plus, all that joy just feels so darned good.

I'm also pleased to find that micro dosing is working for her. I appreciate the way you both went at this great guns, and then started to fall back to more reasonable levels once she got more familiar with the messages her body was sending. Give that woman a big hug from me.



Once the topical has absorbed and offered pain relief you can wipe it off. I let it sit for about 10-15 minutes, max. It works like magic, but I agree, oily as hell. Lol! I was intrigued that you'd watched the temperature in the area drop. Makes perfect sense, and it's confirmation to the efficacy of your oils.

You made my day. I want that woman dancing through your apartment and painting up a storm.

 

[Kicknitup1]

Your job as the oil maker, or butter maker in this case, is to be certain that your fat content is adequate to attract the vast majority of cannabinoids and to see to it that they had enough time to do so.

I make my butter in the MB2. The water extraction process makes me nervous, for the very reason you offer. I personally love the smell and the taste of every oil I've made, excepting Candy Cane. Those were by far the strangest tasting brownies I've made, and that includes brownies I made with olive oil instead of coconut. Most of the strains I've grown have made delicious oils.

I understand a wash of the oil at the end to get out impurities... but before, washing on buds...or ANY other type of abrasion... I thought everyone was so protective of their trichomes. As for yours tasting great, I don't know of anything I'm doing that would invite unwanted nastiness, quite the opposite. Im avoiding everything I can, including water that may pick it up. It just may be that the material here is...well...nastier. lol. I don't know.

 

[Kicknitup1]

I tell you what...for 2017, there sure is still a lot of crappy advice floating around. Not talking about here, well I haven't ventured thru the whole site...but the SweeetSue contributors are above average for sure. And when confusion starts, it is quickly guided back on track. What's not to like?

 

[SweetSue]

I understand a wash of the oil at the end to get out impurities... but before, washing on buds...or ANY other type of abrasion... I thought everyone was so protective of their trichomes. As for yours tasting great, I don't know of anything I'm doing that would invite unwanted nastiness, quite the opposite. Im avoiding everything I can, including water that may pick it up. It just may be that the material here is...well...nastier. lol. I don't know.

I'd chalk it up to garbage in..... The street market isn't known for quality. We bought from the same guy for over 20 years. You learn not to ask questions. Pay your price and get home safely.

Why does our government want us to continue living like criminals? And for what? The choice to feel good without using something that can kill you or others, if you're driving drunk, to get there? For taking the initiative to heal ourselves with a plant that's never killed anyone and who's most dangerous side effect for the masses is that it might give you the munchies?

This is a social injustice of the highest magnitude.

I tell you what...for 2017, there sure is still a lot of crappy advice floating around. Not talking about here, well I haven't ventured thru the whole site...but the SweeetSue contributors are above average for sure. And when confusion starts, it is quickly guided back on track. What's not to like?

It can be dicey for the uneducated. That's why we work so hard here to be informed, and to leave our egos behind and focus on finding relief, one member at a time. I'm most impressed that none of this crew gives a hoot who gets the credit, and most will flat out tell you this is a team effort all the way.

 

[Kicknitup1]

I'd chalk it up to garbage in..... The street market isn't known for quality. We bought from the same guy for over 20 years. You learn not to ask questions. Pay your price and get home safely.

It could be as simple as that! That is an easy question that will get answered next month actually, with a little help from my new friend who resides in a better place; shall be nameless....

 

[SweetSue]

I'd chalk it up to garbage in..... The street market isn't known for quality. We bought from the same guy for over 20 years. You learn not to ask questions. Pay your price and get home safely.

It could be as simple as that! That is an easy question that will get answered next month actually, with a little help from my new friend who resides in a better place; shall be nameless....

You're going to be shocked at the difference in quality. Have you ever used really good cannabis? The sheer beauty of what he grows will shock you. I hadn't seen anything other than bag weed until I started growing. I wasn't connected to the cannabis culture at all until I showed up here. I purchased what we could afford and left it at that.

Then I started growing, determined to get him sooooo high before he died. Life will never be the same for me. I'm tied to this community with bonds that rival my blood relations, and as committed as I can be to helping change public perceptions of cannabis to something more realistic.

 

[SweetSue]

Coffee cup warmers maintain a temperature of between 120 and 140* F. I'm thinking find a dark space to put one with a sealed jar of cannabis and EVOO for a batch of 36-hr oil.

Any thoughts on this? It'd have to use less power than leaving the gas oven on for 36 hrs. I can't think of a good reason it wouldn't work.

 

[Lady Dory]

Coffee cup warmers maintain a temperature of between 120 and 140* F. I'm thinking find a dark space to put one with a sealed jar of cannabis and EVOO for a batch of 36-hr oil.

Any thoughts on this? It'd have to use less power than leaving the gas oven on for 36 hrs. I can't think of a good reason it wouldn't work.

Squeee, I just figured out what EVOO is... Extra Virgin Olive Oil? Hahaha! I'm getting those acronyms finally!

Hi SweetSue!
I was thinking that as long as you don't fill the pitcher too full, this would probably work fine... It's not hot enuf to really circulate the oil, like a boil would. You just may have to stir it once in a while. I like the idea, safe, low temp decarb. Good job thinking outside of the box!

Oh, and why put it in a dark space? Just curious.

More adventures await...
Dory

 

[KingstonRabbi]

Coffee cup warmers maintain a temperature of between 120 and 140* F. I'm thinking find a dark space to put one with a sealed jar of cannabis and EVOO for a batch of 36-hr oil.

Any thoughts on this? It'd have to use less power than leaving the gas oven on for 36 hrs. I can't think of a good reason it wouldn't work.

You can always test a small part of batch by heating to 240 and checking for bubbles. If you see bubbles in sample you can just give the rest more time on the warmer.

 

[VexGrows]

Great read for sure.

I just purchased a Magic Butter Machine, and can't wait to experiment amd make yummy treats!

This discussiom rocks!!

Thank you.

 

[SweetSue]

Squeee, I just figured out what EVOO is... Extra Virgin Olive Oil? Hahaha! I'm getting those acronyms finally!

Hi SweetSue!
I was thinking that as long as you don't fill the pitcher too full, this would probably work fine... It's not hot enuf to really circulate the oil, like a boil would. You just may have to stir it once in a while. I like the idea, safe, low temp decarb. Good job thinking outside of the box!

Oh, and why put it in a dark space? Just curious.

More adventures await...
Dory

The cannabinoids degrade in light, and this would be for 36 hours Dory, so I'd want to have it somewhere away from direct light for most of the time.

You can always test a small part of batch by heating to 240 and checking for bubbles. If you see bubbles in sample you can just give the rest more time on the warmer.

Good idea KR. Why don't I think of these obvious things? I'll give it a go when my harvest is dry enough to use. It'll be another week at least before any of it's done.

Great read for sure.

I just purchased a Magic Butter Machine, and can't wait to experiment amd make yummy treats!

This discussiom rocks!!

Thank you.

Well hello VexGrows. to the study hall. Make yourself at home and don't hesitate to ask for help. We love answering questions.

 

[SweetSue]

Lest I forget..... tomorrow night at 9PM Eastern time the next webinar of the Sacred Plant series is being broadcast and this one has Dr.Bonnie Goldstein as the guest, speaking on Proven Strategies: Not all Diseases Are Treated Equal.

It'll be available for free viewing until 9PM Eastern on Thursday night.

 

[Kicknitup1]

36 hr decarb...maybe at that temp range....but somebody try to do the first order reaction math on that. I would think that would be into degradation territory. But, really, if you can do the math, you would know pretty close. Plus, I seriously doubt decarb takes place at the same rate when in oil. Just a gut thing...NO proof. As for "dark", yep solid ground there. Light is the enemy at this point.

 

[Kicknitup1]

Changing directions a moment... I just have to give a shout out to the people at tcheck! Some of you have heard my praise privately already. This device is indispensable, but with any new tech, it will have bugs. Well mine went on the fritz Sunday. I shot them an email on Sunday, hoping to be early in line for Monday. WELL, I got a response in like 5 minutes.....did I mention it was SUNDAY? Then a follow up call on Monday. Now that's the kind of people you want to deal with. New, yes, Small start up, probably. But as far as the conscientious way they operate, you would think they had been in it 50 years. This as opposed to the startup Ardent, who gets slammed on the net for lack of communication. I personally had a good experience with them so maybe it's behind them. But the early lack of communication most certainly cost them some business early on. And, if you can afford the thing for convenience and consistency, I say buy that also. I will be rooting for them the whole time I am testing their decarb claims! Hey, I'm from Missouri. lol. I think they have a good product and with better customer support they will be on my A list also. I will do all I can to support any company that is helping our cause; whether it be thru research, convenience, or inventing a better mouse trap!

 

[Chris Scorpio]

Ok I have a question.

Was at the farmers market on Sunday and a lady was selling CBD oil...

How do u make a CBD oil and eliminate the THC from the oil

I've searched the internet and most discuss a CCO process

I'm so cornfused

 

[SweetSue]

Ok I have a question.

Was at the farmers market on Sunday and a lady was selling CBD oil...

How do u make a CBD oil and eliminate the THC from the oil

I've searched the internet and most discuss a CCO process

I'm so cornfused

Is she making it herself? Was it made from cultivated cannabis or industrial hemp? Just curious. I know they can isolate the cannabinoids, but I'd be surprised if they could pull THC out of the mix. To qualify for hemp it has to have no more than 3% THC, so some Colorado producers have been harvesting early, before THC had developed past that threshold. Maybe this is what she's doing.

Was it tested?