stickyfingerz86
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I mean is this a ridiculous question? Especially now that everyones trying to grow. Not only will it be more sustainable but it'll cut cost of electricity for growers. Any info on this?
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I mean is this a ridiculous question?
Not only will it be more sustainable but it'll cut cost of electricity for growers.
Good point. In the end I believe they would still be more sustainable. Transportation is inevitable. But what if the transportation was also made more sustainable?I'd guess more an ignorant one than a ridiculous one. What size battery (or battery pack) do you suppose you'd need to power the equivalent of even a 400-watt light - for 12 or 18 hours per day? You'd need a means to charge it in less than 12 (or 6) hours, every single day. And to be able to do so reliably, in such a way that the useful life of your battery isn't significantly degraded. Or else you'd need several such batteries, so you could rotate them into and out of service, which would allow you to spend longer charging them than their normal daily "off time" would allow for.
Less sustainable, and increase the amount of electricity used. Unless you're thinking about some sort of magical, self-charging battery, lol, then you've still got to charge the thing - and you'll have a non-zero loss due to nothing ever being 100% efficient. There's also the cost of mining the raw materials, transporting them to the manufacturing facility, doing the actual manufacturing and packaging, transporting the batteries to the warehouses and then to the point of sale (or, perhaps, directly to the PoS), then transporting them to you after you purchase them....
there's a way, sir. nobody believed we would have cameras and computers in our pockets. And have you heard about IBM making a computer the size of a grain of salt?I'd guess more an ignorant one than a ridiculous one. What size battery (or battery pack) do you suppose you'd need to power the equivalent of even a 400-watt light - for 12 or 18 hours per day? You'd need a means to charge it in less than 12 (or 6) hours, every single day. And to be able to do so reliably, in such a way that the useful life of your battery isn't significantly degraded. Or else you'd need several such batteries, so you could rotate them into and out of service, which would allow you to spend longer charging them than their normal daily "off time" would allow for.
Less sustainable, and increase the amount of electricity used. Unless you're thinking about some sort of magical, self-charging battery, lol, then you've still got to charge the thing - and you'll have a non-zero loss due to nothing ever being 100% efficient. There's also the cost of mining the raw materials, transporting them to the manufacturing facility, doing the actual manufacturing and packaging, transporting the batteries to the warehouses and then to the point of sale (or, perhaps, directly to the PoS), then transporting them to you after you purchase them....
you should read this book called Homo Deus. It's brilliant. Will probably make you believe in the power of technology.there's a way, sir. nobody believed we would have cameras and computers in our pockets. And have you heard about IBM making a computer the size of a grain of salt?
I'm wondering if this post is real or just trying to troll. What should be the purpose of batteries for growing?
I'm wondering if this post is real or just trying to troll.
I mean.. You use battery when you have no access to electricity, but when you do have the access, you use rather electricity...
Also why would you add another segment into the chain?
What about solar power lights ?
I don't think it's a troll post, if it is then it has sparked a good discussion.
The advantage of batteries in relation to solar power is titanic, and for that reason I see a viable aspect of utility for grow lights. Who here hasn't wished for a solar panel to power their grow lights? I know people who live with no electricity and all the lights in their house run off car batteries they charge up from a generator or with a solar farm at friend's house.
I know a guy (only one) who lived off-grid for about two years. He had a diesel-powered generator and a (small) bank of deep-cycle batteries. He also learned to get by with a few low-powered 12V lights and to eat a lot of non-perishable food items. Because... outrageously expensive electricity cost.
There are also different types of batteries, high capacity and high discharge are basically the two specializations. If we wanted to run a 1kW lamp at 9 amps for an hour it would cost 1kWh of the battery's charge. Let's say the battery is from a Volt (car) and has a 35kWh capacity. If the battery is designed to proper spec for the job (it probably isn't but let's imagine) then that's 35 hours of charge to power the lamp. The battery takes less than half that to fully charge.
I make power via solar and I have the capability to store power in batteries and use that energy when I see fit.
Battery technology should be much better
we put people on the moon, right?
How is the payoff looking? By that, I mean, do you expect to have spent less on the equipment (plus either installation costs or a reasonable rate for your labor if you self-installed) during the equipment's useful lifetime than you'd end up spending on the amount of electricity that you will have produced? I realize that there are reasons for going with solar other than just whether or not it can save a person money - but cost (and the possibility for loss) is still something that's going to end up being a consideration for many people.
Well, just like food, they can triple the price of electric tomorrow...and many have no choice but to pay. The fact that power utilities, across the nation, fight so hard against any solar consumer concessions just reinforces my resolve .My RoI would be longer, because most of my electric bills are around $50/month or less.
This is just a hypothetical discussion for me (my last tax refund was $63, lol), but I suppose others reading this thread might actually be able to afford solar-powered electricity generation, so it's good to know about that. I don't know whether or not it's still available, but the federal government - and many states - were giving people tax breaks for installing such things.
I kind of wish I had geothermal heating/cooling.
I'd say, "With an unlimited budget, unlimited time, and some unknown amount of really good luck, many things are possible." But I understand your point.
If it was raining wine, governments all around the world would make it a crime to carry buckets (et cetera) outside during rainstorms .
Oh, and I'll offer... a mild apology for my earlier "moon rant." I just happen to consider the development of "space technology" to be rather important to us. Aside from the finite amount of natural resources on one planet, our more or less out of control population growth... Well, when we have the ability to make the planet mostly uninhabitable (in practical terms) for Homo sapiens, following an "all your eggs in one basket" strategy seems to me to be the ultimate in foolishness.
I didn't install solar to save money...while it's economically sound on paper (my equipment is warrantied for 25 years and I'll get my ROI in 12-15 depending) it's also the right thing to do. I was able, so I did.