Wow, that is sudden. I agree its a water intake issue, roots have an issue, but to have it happen so quickly? You got any gophers around?
Whole Plant Drooping - Please Help
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I was thinking gophers too...
Any evidence of gophers anywhere in the yard?
Any evidence of gophers anywhere in the yard?
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No there’s no gophers. Someone who lives here had this problem happen to him as well and he said it’s termites. I dug around the plant yesterday a bit away from the stem but didn’t see anything. I can’t think of anything I can do to fix it. I think it’s done
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I’ve dug a bit far off the stem yesterday. How would you check properly? And how would you foilar feed ? What’s the best to give it?
Jaz
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Plants will grow on piles of bricks and broken concrete as long as there is some soil mixed in and the pile gets water so I really doubt that any building debris in the soil would cause that. The soil looks loosened up more than enough to provide decent water draining and root penetration. A gopher or burrowing animal that ate enough roots to cause the entire plant to droop like that over just a couple of days is possible but there should be openings to the tunnel system nearby.
Molds and mildews take weeks to kill off a plant. Most of those are noticeable with those white, brown or off color on the leaves long before the plant starts to wilt like that. Think about how long it takes for something like Powdery Mildew
My thoughts that can be added to the list of possibilities is Verticillium Wilt, or one of the other wilts that often take just a few days. Some of those are caused by a fungus in the soil or an infected insect. A wilt problem came to mind since the wilt in the photo looks like it pretty much hit the plant all over at the same time. Insects often hit one or two areas and the wilt will spread from there if there are a lot of them.
Whatever it is hit the plant fast and hard.
Molds and mildews take weeks to kill off a plant. Most of those are noticeable with those white, brown or off color on the leaves long before the plant starts to wilt like that. Think about how long it takes for something like Powdery Mildew
My thoughts that can be added to the list of possibilities is Verticillium Wilt, or one of the other wilts that often take just a few days. Some of those are caused by a fungus in the soil or an infected insect. A wilt problem came to mind since the wilt in the photo looks like it pretty much hit the plant all over at the same time. Insects often hit one or two areas and the wilt will spread from there if there are a lot of them.
Whatever it is hit the plant fast and hard.
Truly baffling, I’m just going to throw this out, since I don’t know what the characteristics of the natural soil are. Is there a chance that the natural soil drains very poorly? If so, possibly the hole that you filled with good soil isn’t draining, so the roots, even though they are in good soil, are sitting in a “swimming pool”. Again, not saying it’s “the” problem, but it’s worth checking out. Other than that something catastrophic happened in the root zone or it’s fungal/disease related, but the speed at which it happened is a conundrum!
DW420
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Termites could definitely be the cause of this.
Them nasty little suckers.
You probably won’t see any of them since they are subterranean and will hollow out the stems of plants. Ripped up a few outdoor flowers cleaning up and looked like a bowl of rice had been dropped and I kid you not them suckers can burrow back into the ground fast!!!
Hopefully it’s something else and not termites!
If it is, maybe try some natural essential oils, diatomaceous earth to keep them away.
I wanna say also the cat nip will deter termites, can’t remember.
Good luck! I hate that this has happened.
Them nasty little suckers.
You probably won’t see any of them since they are subterranean and will hollow out the stems of plants. Ripped up a few outdoor flowers cleaning up and looked like a bowl of rice had been dropped and I kid you not them suckers can burrow back into the ground fast!!!
Hopefully it’s something else and not termites!
If it is, maybe try some natural essential oils, diatomaceous earth to keep them away.
I wanna say also the cat nip will deter termites, can’t remember.
Good luck! I hate that this has happened.
For termites you can get bait stakes that you pound into the soil, the termites take the bait back to the colony, kill the queen and the colony dies.
Jaz
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I was more thinking along the lines of paints and chemicals that builders didn't bother to tip. Tipping fees for contaminated waste are expensive, you'd be surprised at what is found.
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Mountainman80
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Then the soil around that hole is contaminated with something mabey weed killer were others have sprayed it it run.off into the ground
Emilya Green
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I like this theory. Whatever it is, it didn't bother this huge plant until now. It was thriving until one day the roots got into the ground water. Something there is toxic and the effect was quick and deadly. I'm not sure I could trust anything grown in that soil after seeing this.
In my opinion, it has clearly been poisoned somehow
Three possibilities
1/ severe miscalculation of nutes (other plants are fine)
2/ animal urine (unlikely)
3/ sabotage?
Think I'd dig a few inches down, check the soil
Glyphosate based weedkiller works in 12hrs, is slightly greasy and has a distinct smell similar to Malathion - dry/bitter
Can't think of anything else that works that quick
If only it were that effective on Bindweed, Ground Elder, Borage...
Three possibilities
1/ severe miscalculation of nutes (other plants are fine)
2/ animal urine (unlikely)
3/ sabotage?
Think I'd dig a few inches down, check the soil
Glyphosate based weedkiller works in 12hrs, is slightly greasy and has a distinct smell similar to Malathion - dry/bitter
Can't think of anything else that works that quick
If only it were that effective on Bindweed, Ground Elder, Borage...
A whole new way of looking at the problem of what might be happening. Are these the same plants you were growing in the blue containers that you mention in your other thread you started about 2 weeks ago, on the 15th?
If these are those plants then two ideas come to mind.
One is that the roots were damaged while getting the plant out of the pots they were in or damaged trying to get them into the new hole which does not look as large as those other pots. The other possibility is that the ground soil was very dry and the plant cannot get the amounts of water it needs for the size that it is.
Or, a combination of dry soil and physical damage to the root system.
The other thread:
https://www.420magazine.com/community/threads/leaves-turning-yellow-appreciate-any-help-please.520880/
Mountainman80
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I still believe the roots hit something toxic in the ground that sudden of a change we as crazy fast.not.saying any of the above is wrong its possible but root damage well she wouldn't have got as big as she did .he does have a point
Except that if this plant is one of the ones in the other thread then the plant was already large. And if one of those plants, all of which were in blue home made pots, then it was transplanted in the last two weeks.
Jaz
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If it was transplanted in the last two weeks, that makes more sense. It was surviving the last two weeks on the soil from the pot and couldn't adapt to the new soil.
The other plant will likely end up the same way.
I would've dug/aerated a metre diameter, at least a foot deep before transplanting such a large plant, just to soften up that soil, perhaps thrown in some amendments while doing so.
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Mountainman80
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Gotta be something in the soil like u said pocket ground water peob metal Rich iron . that would kill any plant
Has there been any recovery, or is it getting worse?
Jonny5
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Is that the plant with the gray Mold?????
