600W LED Grow

[IrishBoy]

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damn irish are you growin weed or corn
looks good damn good
the only down side is that now i have to start a budget so that i can get a new set up together im itchn to grow
cant wait to see what they weigh

thanks man, i just love growing corn. in most of the pics with the water bottle its only half the length of the cola, it gets hard to hold the bottle and take the pic at the same time. but as you can see if the fuller pics their some long colas.
i cant wait to see the dry weight either.

Their looking good Irish, I went out and bought a new set of clippers for the party next weekend.

sweet!

 

[GrowLEDHydro]

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Damn are you kidding me!!! They look like they grew 3x more than the last set of pics.. insane..

The girls look f...in awesome irish I am very impressed..

 

[IrishBoy]

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Damn are you kidding me!!! They look like they grew 3x more than the last set of pics.. insane..

The girls look f...in awesome irish I am very impressed..

thanks man. its your lights that are doing it, all i do is feed them. i will have to say i am impressed with the buds this light produced, nice tight dense buds. very happy with the quality of these plants. on the lights bro. its gonna be insane to see what 1000w of ur leds is gonna do?

 

[dogsnova]

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Irish I would love to be at your trim party!!

Great job bro.

 

[Setting Sun]

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inspiring grow irish!

 

[IrishBoy]

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thanks guys for the kind words.
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i have been doing allot of reading on the root systems of our plants, here is some good info on roots i wanted to share with you guys that maybe could be some help to some of you.


The Roots

The magic chemistry of plant growth starts at the roots. Roots send nutrients (in exchange for sugar) up through leaf stems to the leaves for final processing. They are also large storage sites for excess energy from the leaves, which is stored as starch. The roots and their capacity to store starch will decide how well a plant will grow and how much the plant will yield.

Root size :
A research Rye plant in a 12-inch pot had 14 billion root hairs that, if placed end to end, would have stretched 6,200 miles (almost 10,000 kilometres). The root hairs alone would have covered a square area of 180 ft by 180 ft (about 55 m by 55 m) ! The more extensive the root system, the better the plant will grow. This is because roots storing much energy are able to exchange lots of nutrients up to the leaves, and so the leaves can send down more sugar, etc. Thus, root growth is directly affected by moisture, oxygen, temperature, and sugars sent down from the leaves.

Root medium is important for plant growth. The less energy the roots use to absorb water and nutrients from their surrounding medium, the more they can use that energy to grow and to help send nutrients up to the plant. Most of a plant's water is taken in by the root hairs. 99% of the water taken in by a plant is transpired out through the leaves. A plant will fall over and wilt as a result of its roots not being able to extract any more water from the surroundings.

Air roots : in a plant's natural life in the earth, its roots get moisture
from rainfall. After rain, the soil water soon sinks down and the topsoil dries quickly. For this reason, the top 1/3 of plant roots are air specialized and the bottom 1/3 are water roots. One must be careful not to keep the air specialized roots constantly wet or the plant will drown. The bottom section of roots can be constantly wet provided that the water has oxygen in it. Stagnant water will soon kill the plant. The roots should always look crisp and white. If the roots develop brown tips or general browning, the problem is usually lack of oxygen, and infection will soon follow.
A plant can function quite well with its roots exposed to light as long as they do not dry out. However, the light encourages alga growth, which causes odours, and the alga competes with the plant for nutrients in the light period and oxygen in the dark period.

Oxygen is the most important root requirement because the roots need oxygen to convert sugar to energy. The more oxygen available to the roots, the more energy they can transfer to the plant.
Temperature also affects root growth and function. The roots do a
great deal of their storage developing at night when the green sections of the plant are not being pressured by the light to produce and distribute the day's excess sugar to the roots. Roots function more efficiently when they are warm, so roots in warm dark period develop better structures than those grown in cool dark period. As an illustration, a cycle of warm dark 77°F (25°C) and day 59°F (15°C) would develop better roots than a cycle of cool dark 59°F (15°C) and day 77°F (25°C). In essence, plants will grow better with a high average 24-hour root temperature that is constant rather than fluctuating.

Supercharged roots : the root hair zone is relatively small and starts just behind the growing root cap. This zone advances with the growing roots and as the new hairs near the tip emerge, the older hairs die off. Here is where most water and nutrients are absorbed. So for supercharged growth, plant roots must not be allowed to become rootbound but be kept healthy and advancing at maximum throughout the entire life of the plant. When growing in pots that are too small, it is better to have the roots trim themselves by coating the inside of pots with a special copper paint rather than letting the roots circle and girdle themselves. In general, pots are not oxygen efficient for super plant growth.


i wanted to run something by you guys and see what u think of my idea? i want to grow Hempy but i am too afraid that with this summer heat of 100+F* something will go wrong because of too much heat to the roots.

so my thoughts were to bulid a Hempy bucket but do it a little different. the bottom 1/3 of the roots will be 100% perlite with a hole 2" for a res like a regular hempy bucket. but to keep things cooler in the heat and still get air to the top 1/3 of the roots i will mix a 1:1 mix of sunshine and perlite on the uper roots instead of 100% perlite. dose this sound stupid? or am i thinking maybe on the right track when dealing with 100+F* temps? it just seems with the little added soil it will help keep the roots moist and cooler?

 

[WheeloFortune]

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i think its the other way irish. perlite is much airier than dirt. with dirt you water less frequently, with perlite more. if you water more often you can regulate the temp a bit better by giving them nice cold water. i always think you can never have too much aeration and the more you can water them the better. high turnover rate = fresh o2 and a healthy breathing root system.

personally id rather try to insulate them and keep them out of direct light. then keep the water cold and do the best you can. . .

but if you were going to mix, traditionally you want the top part to be the airiest part and the bottom to retain more water, for exactly those reasons in that guide. the bottom is better at sucking up nutes and water, and the top likes to breathe. so if you were gonna mix i'd put the dirt on the bottom.

 

[IrishBoy]

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i think its the other way irish. perlite is much airier than dirt. with dirt you water less frequently, with perlite more. if you water more often you can regulate the temp a bit better by giving them nice cold water. i always think you can never have too much aeration and the more you can water them the better. high turnover rate = fresh o2 and a healthy breathing root system.

personally id rather try to insulate them and keep them out of direct light. then keep the water cold and do the best you can. . .

but if you were going to mix, traditionally you want the top part to be the airiest part and the bottom to retain more water, for exactly those reasons in that guide. the bottom is better at sucking up nutes and water, and the top likes to breathe. so if you were gonna mix i'd put the dirt on the bottom.

you have to remember that i am talking Hempy Bucket, so the perlite in the bottom will be a mini res, so i would think the perlite would be better then the soil on the bottom? the only reason i was thinking the 50/50 mix on top would be to keep the air roots a little moist to help cool them in these high temps and allow some descent air to them. i was thinking 100% perlite on top would allow the air roots to get too hot.

if you water more often you can regulate the temp a bit better by giving them nice cold water.

good point, makes sense to me. but its the air roots that worry me about getting too hot with 100% perlite since it dosent hold moister to good, this is where i was thinking the soilless mix will help up top.

 

[slimm]

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It's a great idea but go inert instead of organic - I suggest you use Canna coco for this rather than soil.

There will be a significant amount of coco that washes down into your perlite. I do not see this as a problem though. You may want to mix some perlite in with the coco as well. Air roots love the perlite.

 

[Setting Sun]

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If I was gonna mix it, I would go the other way with it, because although it makes more "sense" to put the heavier, more retentive medium at the bottom, in hempy buckets I'd be concerned about it being too soggy down there as the bottom 2" stay flooded.

wheelo's suggestion to stick with straight perlite and more frequent watering sounds good.

 

[IrishBoy]

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It's a great idea but go inert instead of organic - I suggest you use Canna coco for this rather than soil.

There will be a significant amount of coco that washes down into your perlite. I do not see this as a problem though. You may want to mix some perlite in with the coco as well. Air roots love the perlite.

to be honest i wanted to stick with the soiless mix for a few reasons, one is i already have a big bail of some sunshine mix. and i havent been a big fan of coco it takes up too much cal/mag for my liking. put i will keep this in mind. thank you

 

[IrishBoy]

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If I was gonna mix it, I would go the other way with it, because although it makes more "sense" to put the heavier, more retentive medium at the bottom, in hempy buckets I'd be concerned about it being too soggy down there as the bottom 2" stay flooded.

wheelo's suggestion to stick with straight perlite and more frequent watering sounds good.

thats what i was thinking 100%. although he dose make a good point on watering more often with just perlite. but then i would also be using allot more nutes and still have the problem with the upper air roots getting too hot, the feeder roots are not what worry me with these temps its the upper more dryer air roots. i know roots love higher temps but i think the 100+F weather is just too much for them?

 

[Setting Sun]

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depends on the strain too.

Some will do OK at higher temps if you keep them watered.

 

[IrishBoy]

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depends on the strain too.

Some will do OK at higher temps if you keep them watered.

very true, good old sativa will love the heat more.

 

[IrishBoy]

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the thing that amazes me with this light is these are the first led plants i have grown that had finish on time when they are to be done. usaly the leds seem to drag out the flowering an extra 2-3 weeks. they are already done right now i am just giving them more flush time, plus the trim crew wont be available until Sat..

 

[Sod Buster]

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How about if you kept the tops of the buckets covered I would think this would help to keep part of the heat from getting down to the roots especially if you are thinking of using lots of perlite.

In my last grow I used a combination of about 30% perlite to a soilless mix (forget the brand) and my cabinet always ran in the low 90's up as far as the very low 100's but the soil stayed in the mid to high 70's continuously, this was even when I watered only every three days, the containers were 3 gal black plastic. The cabinet was 2.5' x 3' by 6' and I was using a 600w MH air cooled lamp this is the reason for such high temps.

Is there some way you could possibly hook up a very small chiller for the water, this would help your root temps also as long as you didn't get too awfully cold. Just throwing the idea into the mix, what do you think?

 

[IrishBoy]

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How about if you kept the tops of the buckets covered I would think this would help to keep part of the heat from getting down to the roots especially if you are thinking of using lots of perlite.

In my last grow I used a combination of about 30% perlite to a soilless mix (forget the brand) and my cabinet always ran in the low 90's up as far as the very low 100's but the soil stayed in the mid to high 70's continuously, this was even when I watered only every three days, the containers were 3 gal black plastic. The cabinet was 2.5' x 3' by 6' and I was using a 600w MH air cooled lamp this is the reason for such high temps.

Is there some way you could possibly hook up a very small chiller for the water, this would help your root temps also as long as you didn't get too awfully cold. Just throwing the idea into the mix, what do you think?

this all sounds good but i would be afraid that covering the tops would cause less air flow to the roots? IDK if that makes sense? the chiller is a good idea but would be needed unless i run a drip system, but either way i would just probably freeze some milk jugs and drop them in the res. but for the most part i will be hand watering them unless i leave for a few days. i am thinking the perlite and soil will be my best bet in these temps and with some bigger LST plants the canopy will shad the pots to keep them a little cooler. i like ur ideas good advice. +rep

 

[NuhNugz]

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this all sounds good but i would be afraid that covering the tops would cause less air flow to the roots? IDK if that makes sense? the chiller is a good idea but would be needed unless i run a drip system, but either way i would just probably freeze some milk jugs and drop them in the res. but for the most part i will be hand watering them unless i leave for a few days. i am thinking the perlite and soil will be my best bet in these temps and with some bigger LST plants the canopy will shad the pots to keep them a little cooler. i like ur ideas good advice. +rep

You could always run an airline in the bucket with a long skinny airstone ..even with a medium like dirt as long as there was plenty of perlite in the mix. Your airstone would be ruined after the grow ...but who cares they are cheap.

 

[IrishBoy]

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You could always run an airline in the bucket with a long skinny airstone ..even with a medium like dirt as long as there was plenty of perlite in the mix. Your airstone would be ruined after the grow ...but who cares they are cheap.

wouldn't the air stone get clogged up real quick? i have always thought of that before but wasnt sure if it would work or not?.lol.
nice one bro thinking out side of the box, i like this idea for 100% perlite. +rep brother!

 

[NuhNugz]

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i dont think it would get clogged provided you kept it running constantly 24/7. its main objective would be to circulate air under a lid. if you were really worried about it clogging you could put the medium/perlite mix in first ... pack it to one side of the bucket leaving enough room to put the air-stone in long ways (up and down in the bucket) and backfill around the airstone with perlite...or do the same with one of the H shaped diffusers on the bottom of the bucket.

thanks for the rep.