Newbie Grower, Carmen Auto x Diva, Outdoors

[CBDMed]

Has anyone used coffee bean husks for agriculture?
It seems they use them here as an inexpensive input for nitrogen and potassium.
I assume they must be cooked. I just wondered if anyone knew anything about them.

Now I also have to find out if the coco we just ordered is washed and buffered, or not

 

[Bill284]

That would be great!
Is there a URL?

I haven't seen frass in the Colombian online stores (and definitely not locally), but I can check again.

Ok, well, for the short run I bought some @DYNOMYCO, and I also have Recharge.
Long term I am hoping Azi will have a home-made solution.
I usually mix some wc in with the soil, as wc is super cheap here.

Ohhhhh.... thanks for telling me that.
How can I know if the coco is washed and buffered, or not?

Ok, good to know!

They are strong enough to read at night, all night.
I am sure they would mess with photos, so I am learning autos right now.

Ok.
But you don't freak out their poor little roots?
Your girls don't get all frizzy-rug-burned on their toes and then get all wilty when you uppot from cloth?

Yes, all 159 pages, hahaha!
(I finally got some sleep last night. This night, not so much...)
I will try to re-read the first dozen or so pages again, but I think I have the idea.
(Perlite, then layers, Perlite, then layers, then a special Perlite cap for drainage...)
Gotta see what I can find.
I hope to start as soon as I get some time.
We got internet today, so that was great!

Wow!
I hope to try it soon!

Yeah, you said that right. I've just got to get some time.
I am chomping at the bit!
I want to start tomorrow if I can. (We will see.)

Sounds great! Thanks!

Ok, thanks again!

Homemade EM-1â„¢ inoculant and Bokashi

I'm new here and mostly find myself staring at bud porns in every forum that makes me feel dumb and I decided to do something useful Whatever,I want to share an old reciepe (from 2012) I found while researching another issue.I'm not sure if I can paste the link here but the nick was Rev Summit...

www.420magazine.com

That's one but there is a newer one.
I'll keep looking.




Stay safe
Bill284

 

[Azimuth]

Microbes are plentiful and all around us always and get super adapted to the local environment so adding some from a specialized product from half way around the world might not last too long in your environment.

Because of that, I don't use any microbial products, although many growers do swear by some of them. I get mine from castings and leaf mold. Whatever thrives in your environment will outcompete others. That's how LAB is made. You gather a broad range of microbes using rice wash water and then put them all in milk so one particular strain is the only one left.

 

[CBDMed]

Homemade EM-1â„¢ inoculant and Bokashi

I'm new here and mostly find myself staring at bud porns in every forum that makes me feel dumb and I decided to do something useful Whatever,I want to share an old reciepe (from 2012) I found while researching another issue.I'm not sure if I can paste the link here but the nick was Rev Summit...

www.420magazine.com

That's one but there is a newer one.
I'll keep looking.




Stay safe
Bill284

Thank you! I have heard about Bokashi.
Do you need a special starter to start Bokashi?
(Or only the first time?)

 

[CBDMed]

Microbes are plentiful and all around us always and get super adapted to the local environment so adding some from a specialized product from half way around the world might not last too long in your environment.

Yeah... sounds like I have a lot to learn there!
Hmm.... and I wonder if maybe the Liquid Dirt maybe is what caused the plants to grow only one leaf?

Because of that, I don't use any microbial products, although many growers do swear by some of them. I get mine from castings and leaf mold.

wc are dirt cheap here.
Homemade wc and leaf mold should both be doable in the future.

Whatever thrives in your environment will outcompete others. That's how LAB is made. You gather a broad range of microbes using rice wash water and then put them all in milk so one particular strain is the only one left.

Hmm... um.... how long does that take to make, again??
And what was the recipe again??

About growing, they are saying it will take about a week or two to get the greenhouse built (probably closer to two).
In the meantime, I have a covered patio space which gets some filtered sun through some plastic (like fiberglass). It isn't a lot of sun, but maybe enough for babies (and if it is not enough I can hypothetically hang lights).
I will measure the temperature tomorrow morning, but I don't think it should get too cold at night (and if it does, I can cover).

About Bill's Parfaits:
So, I can hypothetically soak seeds in Solo cups on heat mats for Bill's Parfaits as soon as I can get time to re-read the opening 10-12 pages of his thread and build some Solo cups.
So I want to re-read, and then build some sample cups and get his approval.
Then I can soak.

About SIPs:
I can also hypothetically sow seeds direct in the SIPS.
The 50-50 supersoil with rice hulls looks pretty good!
(Actually, with the damp crush test I would have used just a little more, but for right now it is good!)

About the soil, does it make sense to put a thin layer of normal soil (1"?) on the bottom of the SIPS, because @Emilya Green and some others said that they do not see a lot of roots growing into the bottom inch (2.5 cm), and probably lots leaches down into it anyway?

Also, for the commercial SIPs like @Buds Buddy 's, would you make any modifications?
Or how would you load it?

Also, @Buds Buddy , would you make any recommendations or modifications with your SIPs?
Or is it still all supersoil, except for a Solo cup's worth, for the seed to get started in?

And any other recommendations, anyone?
Thanks!

 

[Azimuth]

Hmm... um.... how long does that take to make, again??
And what was the recipe again??

3-4 days to catch the microbes, and a week or so to separate the curds and whey. Here's a link you can bookmark: LAB

They're what I used for my bokashi project.

About the soil, does it make sense to put a thin layer of normal soil (1"?) on the bottom of the SIPS, because @Emilya Green and some others said that they do not see a lot of roots growing into the bottom inch (2.5 cm), and probably lots leaches down into it anyway?

Why over complicate it?

Also, for the commercial SIPs like @Buds Buddy 's, would you make any modifications?
Or how would you load it?

I would use the same mix top to bottom and make sure to pack it well for the part from the overflow hole to the bottom.

 

[CBDMed]

3-4 days to catch the microbes, and a week or so to separate the curds and whey. Here's a link you can bookmark: LAB

Ok, thanks! I signed up, and will try to read it "when I get time" (oy...)

They're what I used for my bokashi project.

Ok, good to know!
Is there a URL for your bokashi project?
I hear Bokashi is really good stuff!

Why over complicate it?

Hahaha, only to pinch pennies. But probably it is not necessary.

I would use the same mix top to bottom and make sure to pack it well for the part from the overflow hole to the bottom.

Ok.
That and NOT anything else (such as coarse Perlite)?
I thought the moisture level looked good to me on the experimental.
I have not used the commercial SIPs.
(Frankly, I am not even sure if they have a connector cup or not, or if it should be removed, or how, etc. I need to investigate.)

 

[Azimuth]

Is there a URL for your bokashi project?
I hear Bokashi is really good stuff!

I no longer use it. The output looks just like the input so you then have to run it through another process. Since I worm, I figured it's just easier to skip that step altogether.

@Bill284 is a big proponent of the stuff for use in his mix.

That and NOT anything else (such as coarse Perlite)?

Nothing else. I used the hydroton balls out of concern my organixc mix would go anaerobic sitting underwater all the time. But I'm now running a test to see if that is true.

(Frankly, I am not even sure if they have a connector cup or not, or if it should be removed, or how, etc. I need to investigate.)

They don't use a connector pot. Soil drapes around the air/water chamber and it wicks that way.

 

[CBDMed]

I no longer use it. The output looks just like the input so you then have to run it through another process. Since I worm, I figured it's just easier to skip that step altogether.

Ahh, ok.
I don't know. I just read one time that you have to ferment it, and then also bury it.
I am not averse to secondary steps if the output is awesome and cheap.

@Bill284 is a big proponent of the stuff for use in his mix.

I would like to experiment with it. Probably not here. Probably I want to wait until we get to the property. Then we can try all the compost piles, Bokashi, etc.
For right now I have Dynomyco, Recharge, and wc in the soil mix.

Nothing else. I used the hydroton balls out of concern my organixc mix would go anaerobic sitting underwater all the time. But I'm now running a test to see if that is true.

Ahh, ok. Makes sense.
I had compacted soil submerged for maybe a month. A bunch of fines leached out into the reservoir, but it worked.
I would have brought that plant with me, except I had to cut everything to come here. It was a little scary how fast it grew when it finally woke up.

They don't use a connector pot. Soil drapes around the air/water chamber and it wicks that way.

Ahhh.... a connector ring.....
Ok, I just washed ten. We can try it.
I don't think I will have time tomorrow, but maybe on Friday...

 

[CBDMed]

Thanks, Azi!

@Bill284 , I have to figure out soil for your Parfait Plantas, and I am not sure what to put!
I don't have any Bokashi, or any Frass. Nothing fancy here.
All I have is worm castings, perlite, diatomaceous earth, and rice hulls.
Everything else will pretty much be in the liquid fertilizer.
Is there any way to tell if this coco is washed and buffered, at this point?
Or will it always and forever be an "unknown..."?

Perlite (it looks a little grey....)

Diatomaceous Earth (not food grade).

Base soil (color and texture may vary from sample shown):

Rice hulls. (They pretty much don't heat up, so you maybe don't really need to cook 'em, although it is probably always better if you do. Once they break down they are 90% silica though...)

It's not half as fancy as Bokashi and Frass!
I did get some Superthrive to put in the mix, though.
I still need to re-read the start of your thread, but we are getting closer!
I washed the Solo cups (sorta), and also the SIPs and buckets.

I am not real sure what to make layers with, except for base soil.
I always mix wc in to the base soil.
I hope to build a test Solo cup after I re-read your thread, to get a thumbs-up / down.
Thank you!

 

[Bill284]

Thanks, Azi!

@Bill284 , I have to figure out soil for your Parfait Plantas, and I am not sure what to put!
I don't have any Bokashi, or any Frass. Nothing fancy here.
All I have is worm castings, perlite, diatomaceous earth, and rice hulls.
Everything else will pretty much be in the liquid fertilizer.
Is there any way to tell if this coco is washed and buffered?

I'd bet money it was ground fresh and packaged like that .
I'd wash it and buffer it.
same with the perlite.
I'd rinse it in a strainer before I used it.

Perlite (it looks a little grey....)

Diatomaceous Earth (not food grade).

Base soil (color and texture may vary from sample shown):

Rice hulls. (They pretty much don't heat up, so you don't really need to cook 'em, although it is probably always better if you do. Once they break down they are 90% silica though...)

Put lots of perlite and your extra ingredients into the soil.
Coco don't, we will have to find a microbe tea or something.
But don't mix in the worm castings or anything.
But definitely wash it.





Stay safe
Bill284

 

[CBDMed]

I'd bet money it was ground fresh and packaged like that .

Probably.

I'd wash it and buffer it.

Ok, will do!
Only, how?
Is there a recommended technique / thread / URL?

same with the perlite.
I'd rinse it in a strainer before I used it.

Ok.
I am not real sure how to strain it but I will try.
Just a good rinse with water?

Put lots of perlite and your extra ingredients into the soil.

Ok. Will do!
(Soon as I find a way to wash this Perlite...)

Coco don't, we will have to find a microbe tea or something.

Ok

But don't mix in the worm castings or anything.

Ok.
Um, but you mean, like, we will make wc layers later??
Or do you mean, no wc in the mix at all??

But definitely wash it.

Ok.
Gotta figure out how to strain.
Does anyone know?

Stay safe
Bill284

Here are the liquid nutes I could come up with.
Also, are peat pellets part of the method? (Because I can get those.)

I've also got some powders, but these are meant to be delivered as liquids.
I have some Roots CalMag also.

Thank you very much, amigo! Hopefully I will be growing trees like your soon!

 

[Bill284]

Probably.

Ok, will do!
Only, how?
Is there a recommended technique / thread / URL?

At the bottom.
Check the first one.
Just about everything you need is there.

Ok.
I am not real sure how to strain it but I will try.
Just a good rinse with water?

Big strainer and garden house.
Maby burlap bag for volume.

Ok. Will do!
(Soon as I find a way to wash this Perlite...)

Ok


Ok.
Um, but you mean, like, we will make wc layers later??
Or do you mean, no wc in the mix at all??

Soil additives don't go in coco.
Just the stuff I recommended in coco.
It feks up the pH.

Ok.
Gotta figure out how to strain.
Does anyone know?


Here are the liquid nutes I could come up with.
Also, are peat pellets part of the method? (Because I can get those.)

They will do but not the best.
But if it's what you have then it is the best.

I've also got some powders, but these are meant to be delivered as liquids.
I have some Roots CalMag also.

Thank you very much, amigo! Hopefully I will be growing trees like your soon!

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Got to run.
Take care.




Stay safe
Bill284

 

[CBDMed]

At the bottom.
Check the first one.
Just about everything you need is there.

Thank you.

Big strainer and garden house.
Maby burlap bag for volume.

I put the burlap bag in a deep sink and just poured water over it.
Then I researched, and found that perlite can indeed be grey.

Soil additives don't go in coco.
Just the stuff I recommended in coco.
It feks up the pH.

Ok.
I was not going to add the coco unless and until I can figure out how to wash and buffer it.

They will do but not the best.
But if it's what you have then it is the best.

Welcome to Colombia.

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Got to run.
Take care.

Thanks Bill!
I wish you much happy growing!

Stay safe
Bill284

 

[CBDMed]

Soil additives don't go in coco.
Just the stuff I recommended in coco.
It feks up the pH.

Umm, ok, sorry, on second thought, maybe I misunderstood something.
Could I please double check with you?
I was planning on using one of the pre-mixed canna soils for the layers.
I don' really have much in terms of goodies for layers, just Perlite.
I was ORIGINALLY thinking to mix the coco coir in with the base soil (as an amendment), to open it up some more, but I don't really have time to do a detox on it.
I asked my assistant to see if he can find out if it is washed and buffered, etc., and we will see *if he can find out that information after the fact--but at the moment I have pretty much zero time, so if it is more than a quick rinse (and the top thread seemed to indicate a lot more than a rinse) then I just need to ditch that, and get different stuff.

So right now, it will be lotta store-bought mix, and Perlite, mon.
I looked it up, Perlite is naturally gray (and can be other colors as well).
Not sure why US Perlite is always snowy white, but I guess it is not all Perlite that is that way.

But mostly I just want to make sure you know I am going to be using mainly store-bought mix plus (seriously rinsed) grey Perlite, plus the liquids.
Does wc still mess that up?
Thanks!

 

[Bill284]

Umm, ok, sorry, on second thought, maybe I misunderstood something.
Could I please double check with you?
I was planning on using one of the pre-mixed canna soils for the layers.
I don' really have much in terms of goodies for layers, just Perlite.
I was ORIGINALLY thinking to mix the coco coir in with the base soil (as an amendment), to open it up some more, but I don't really have time to do a detox on it.
I asked my assistant to see if he can find out if it is washed and buffered, etc., and we will see *if he can find out that information after the fact--but at the moment I have pretty much zero time, so if it is more than a quick rinse (and the top thread seemed to indicate a lot more than a rinse) then I just need to ditch that, and get different stuff.

So right now, it will be lotta store-bought mix, and Perlite, mon.
I looked it up, Perlite is naturally gray (and can be other colors as well).
Not sure why US Perlite is always snowy white, but I guess it is not all Perlite that is that way.

But mostly I just want to make sure you know I am going to be using mainly store-bought mix plus (seriously rinsed) grey Perlite, plus the liquids.
Does wc still mess that up?
Thanks!

Sorry what do you mean by wc?




Stay safe
Bill284

 

[CBDMed]

Sorry what do you mean by wc?

Sorry, wc = worm castings.

 

[Bill284]

Sorry, wc = worm castings.

In coco worm castings can mess with the pH of the coco.
You have to be careful not to add soil amendments to coco.
If you change the pH of the medium it's hard to feed properly.
And yeah if you can find pre washed coco it's better, less time too.
Coco works good as a soil amendment aswell, you asked.
Only 5-10 % though, not too much.
Talk soon.




Stay safe
Bill284

 

[CBDMed]

In coco worm castings can mess with the pH of the coco.

Ok, so I should NOT add worm castings (wc) to the canna soil mix??
So now I'm kinda confused as to how I can build buckets for your method.
Not sure what to do.

You have to be careful not to add soil amendments to coco.
If you change the pH of the medium it's hard to feed properly.
And yeah if you can find pre washed coco it's better, less time too.

Oy.
I will have to see if I can find it, but it won't be this week.
I have some workmen coming over to take measurements and to start on some more greenhouse tunnels this morning, and they will start on the hoop tunnels next week.
Since this is a temporary way-stop prolly we will make cheap hoop tunnels, like the last one.
I need to get time to start my new thread!

Coco works good as a soil amendment aswell, you asked.
Only 5-10 % though, not too much.

Yeah, ok, so do NOT add any extra wc to the canna soils...
(Not sure what to add, then....)

Talk soon.

Stay safe
Bill284

Thanks, Bill!
I guess I need to pray about how to build these buckets.
Do you have any advice / counsel / ideas?

 

[CBDMed]

@Azimuth , could you please help me a little with direction? (Pun intended.)
Thanks!
I am all confused now.
I think I am starting to understand your comment about simplifying the experiment.

At base this experiment is an excuse to get max bud (right?) 'cuz my body always hurts, unless I am stoned (haha, but really. And the autism is wayy better with CBD).
Only, along the way , I want to see which is easier / better for me: SIP or Bill's Parfaits--except I can't get the good nutes Bill likes, and it will also take time to find treated coco (or treat it).

The charcoal should be ready by now (I forgot the charcoal).

To simplify, I think I want to test several soil types with both the SIP and the B284 systems.
Hopefully this will help me to understand the interaction of soil, aeration, microbes, and nutes.
Would it be good to simplify it as:
1. SIP with rice hulls (rh) and supersoil
2. SIP with soil variants (to be determined)
3. B284 with canna soil and rice hulls
4. B284 with soil variants (to be determined)

By soil variants, I mean to test between:
1. canna soil and rice hulls, and also
2. with the local cheap potting mix (probably lots of kitchen compost) mixed with rice hulls ('cuz it's cheap!)

Also, I would like to test one batch with the 1:25 fish, and 1:1000 banana peels in water (is there a best way to say that)?
I would like to test both SIP and B284 with your nutes.

Do you know what I am asking?
And how does it seem to you?
(I am trying to narrow down the variables that need to be tested.)

Also, has anyone pre-loaded GeoFlora or other into a SIP?
(Sounds like Bill wants all liquid nutes, but would pre-loading be ok for a SIP?)
Thanks!