SweetSue's Cannabis Oil Study Hall

[SweetSue]

Hey sue i jus had a question i have wrote dwn to make the bio bombs use 1 gram cco n add it to 4ml of carrier oil i used coconut oil n then after its melted n stirred 2gether add 1ml sunflower lecithin now my question is would i add 1 ml lecithin for every 1gram cco an 4 ml oil mixture? Like if i wanted 8 ml oil would i add 2 grams cco n 2 ml lecithin??

You got it right Jones. In the 5:1 formulation it's 1 ml of lecithin for every base unit of CCO and carrier oil.

 

[SweetSue]

High SweetSue,

We've always used our gut feeling (intuition) and our own research when dosing ourselves. The principle of "what works for us". Having said, the gentleman's dosage protocol seems quite high. You have taught us "low and slow". I don't think I'd change a working method because of someone's recommendations. I would, however, keep his advice in my bonnet, as working up to an optimal dose, whatever that may be. You're doing great with what God gave you. Not time to doubt your wisdom yet, lol.

This is exactly where my brain is going. We preach "start low and go slow" and this is on the other side of the spectrum, especially given the recent clinical data on THCa dosing.

When Dr. Courtney began his teaching he was thought of as something odd. Time has shown his theories about the actions and efficacy of acid cannabinoids to have a sound biological basis, but the dosing was something that's been worked out in many clinics, under the watchful eyes of many doctors and their well-trained staffs.

Dr. Sulak and his partners installed testing equipment so they could test what the patients were actually using. Mara Gordon and her team do the same with each batch of medicine they produce and measure their medicines down to 0.000. These two clinicians alone have revolutionized the way we think of dosing cannabis.

The data coming back from clinics is consistent in showing that micro-dosing is the most effective way to use cannabis, unless the physical condition being treated demands a more aggressive approach, as in cancer or epilepsy.

The daughter's off with her partner enjoying the latest movie adventure from the Marvel Universe. Lol! When she gets home and winds down we'll talk about scaling back. After all, she has an effective regimen already in place. She's getting a well-rounded cannabinoid diet with the inclusion of juicing.

I'd actually like to see her come up with something simple she likes the taste of that can be tossed together in a couple minutes twice a day. Two little buds a day on top of what she already has going on. That to me feels much more reasonable than a flood of cannabinoids three times a day, so intense in flavor that it has to be covered by a multitude of other ingredients.

I want this to be simple and tasty. There's my stated goal: Two buds a day, blended into something simple she finds palatable.

She's already begun drastically changing her diet. It might be a good year to start exploring vegetarian cooking. Red meat is about to become something she used to eat. They make marvelous vegetable pastas now that have as much protein value as meats and we've already begun trying some out.

It's been suggested that she try a two-month juice fast, and she's actually considering it, but she'd prefer to try this approach first and evolve into the juicing. I do have my eye on a good stainless manual juicer.

She meets with the liver specialist on the 3rd. That should be an interesting conversation. Lol! I don't think he's expecting this.

 

[InTheShed]

I hope he has an open mind or he might not know what hit him!

 

[SweetSue]

A question: the recommendation was to mix a batch of juice and split it into three doses, finishing the mix within the course of the day. The suggestions also include an encouragement that the buds be used ASAP after clipping from the branch.

Now.... I can understand the desire to use buds quickly - we want to preserve the terpenes, although I believe we have more leeway than the standard suggestion of 4 hours, tops.

The instructions that we can't store the mix and use later, that's where they lose me. What we're harvesting here is the essential oils of the plant. That's where the medicine is. True, the terpenes drive the action and effect of the cannabinoids, but they're in that oil too. We do our best in this neighborhood to hold onto our terpenes.

I don't see how the oil can degrade in storage, and any juice mix shouldn't spoil for a few days. I think it's possible to make a smoothie with the buds, toss it into a jar with a good, tight lid, and store it in the fridge while you sip on it over the course of a couple days. Alternatively one could freeze the juice mix as ice cubes and vacuum them for longer storage in the freezer.

Does this sound rational to anyone other than me?

 

[SweetSue]

I hope he has an open mind or he might not know what hit him!

Yeah...... I'm going to encourage him to get better educated than his patient's mother, although, I will concede I've had more training. Lol!

 

[InTheShed]

Sometimes instructions are written to impress upon the reader the importance of a piece of information (to use the juice when fresh) rather than under the expectations that anyone will be able to follow them to the letter (like you have a staff on call to make this for you!). I'm sure the juice will be fine in the fridge unless there are components in it that don't play well with each other when left to their own devices.

Yeah...... I'm going to encourage him to get better educated than his patient's mother, although, I will concede I've had more training. Lol!

Very few have more training than the patient's mother .

 

[Bode]

High Again SS,

First, let me commend your daughter for being more responsible for what she eats. Sometimes that cures ailments in itself. Sounds like your leaning towards vegetarian also. It's done wonders for me!

Second, One time I juiced some carrot juice and left in frig overnight. I didn't drink it the next day. Turned brown. So, I'd say, juice a days worth of liquid. Maybe just a starting place.

Next, what is the definition of microdosing? I would guess it's more than twice a day. Probably not what you wanted to hear. Sorry.

I hope you're having a great day. I am!! Cya

 

[SweetSue]

High Again SS,

First, let me commend your daughter for being more responsible for what she eats. Sometimes that cures ailments in itself. Sounds like your leaning towards vegetarian also. It's done wonders for me!

Second, One time I juiced some carrot juice and left in frig overnight. I didn't drink it the next day. Turned brown. So, I'd say, juice a days worth of liquid. Maybe just a starting place.

Next, what is the definition of microdosing? I would guess it's more than twice a day. Probably not what you wanted to hear. Sorry.

I hope you're having a great day. I am!! Cya

I am having a wonderful day, thank you Bode.

I hear you on the micro dosing and I think I’ve figured a way around this dilemma. She can simply eat a small bud every few hours. It’s the fans that’re hard to handle. The buds are surprisingly tasty. She might go for a container of buds in hand to pull from.

 

[Blazinjones]

You got it right Jones. In the 5:1 formulation it's 1 ml of lecithin for every base unit of CCO and carrier oil.

Ok thanx i was just wondering if i did it wrong or sumthn or maybe its the strain but this time the oil didnt really help with my pain as much as the 1st time i tried making this stuff but tht time it seemed 2 jus knock me out but when i woke up i wasnt withdrawing as bad i could still feel the withdraw but i cud deal with it alot better. This time tho it didnt knock me out really or help with my pain it just seems to help me sleep better or if i take about 1 and a half to 2 ml then it knocks me dwn for the count lol but still not to much pain help it was my gorilla glue auto. I thought being tht every1 says tht strain is super resinous it would help more with my pain but doesnt seem to b the case or maybe its cause its the auto version?? Idk but does any 1 know of any specific strains to get? My next one i will be trying will be with my c4 auto since sue u i believe it was u anyway lol told me reds and purple strains might work better for pain control. An the c4 from fast buds i have in flower is almost ready for harvest some time in the nex 7 to 10 days is a solid purple strain so i hope it works good for pain control n making some oils for edibals as well as my capsules. But yea if any1 knows of a specific strain to help woth pain control i would be grateful thank you every1 and namaste

 

[SweetSue]

Jones... We wanted it to work.

Ok...what works for one may not work for another, but if you pay attention to terpenes you may be able to get closer to something that works for you.

The first batch you made did work, is that correct? If so, what strain was it? My guess is that it's all about the terpene mix. There was something in that first batch that didn't show up with the auto you just converted to oil. Maybe if we can track down some lab results we can figure it out.

It may be that you would benefit from trying something closer to a balanced 1:1 ratio. In clinical trials the 1:1 showed the most consistent pain relief benefits. I'd almost bet my life you're growing high-THC plants.

You asked for specific recommendations: I know CBD Mass is a 1:1. CBD Critical Cure from Barney's Farm is a 1:2 THC:CBD, and it's been effective in treating chronic pain. There are more and more chemovars showing up all the time with more interesting ratios. A 1:1 ratio will treat most disease states best, so more breeders are working on them.

 

[Blazinjones]

Jones... We wanted it to work.

Ok...what works for one may not work for another, but if you pay attention to terpenes you may be able to get closer to something that works for you.

The first batch you made did work, is that correct? If so, what strain was it? My guess is that it's all about the terpene mix. There was something in that first batch that didn't show up with the auto you just converted to oil. Maybe if we can track down some lab results we can figure it out.

It may be that you would benefit from trying something closer to a balanced 1:1 ratio. In clinical trials the 1:1 showed the most consistent pain relief benefits. I'd almost bet my life you're growing high-THC plants.

You asked for specific recommendations: I know CBD Mass is a 1:1. CBD Critical Cure from Barney's Farm is a 1:2 THC:CBD, and it's been effective in treating chronic pain. There are more and more chemovars showing up all the time with more interesting ratios. A 1:1 ratio will treat most disease states best, so more breeders are working on them.

awesome thank you sue i appreciate it and as for the first time idk it was made from street weed and i wasnt able to get a name on it mainly since i dont even member who i got it from at that time lol but yea ill make sure to try out some more cbd and yeah im growing high thc strains i hear alot of good things about cbd critical cure from barneys farm dont u have one of those going??

 

[SweetSue]

awesome thank you sue i appreciate it and as for the first time idk it was made from street weed and i wasnt able to get a name on it mainly since i dont even member who i got it from at that time lol but yea ill make sure to try out some more cbd and yeah im growing high thc strains i hear alot of good things about cbd critical cure from barneys farm dont u have one of those going??

I keep one in constant rotation Jones. It’s the base meds for my daughter, and in her case it tamps down her anxiety, eliminates depression, and relieves chronic pain in her hip from a tumble she took down a flight of stairs about 15 years ago.

I consider it one of the best CBD strains. If you try it be sure to get the chemovar from Barney’s Farm. It was developed with CBD Crew, which explains its excellent breeding.

Jones, we all go for high-THC because that’s how we were trained by prohibition. And THC will remove your consciousness from the pain, but without adequate CBD in the mix you’re fighting yourself, and as you discovered, it’s more challenging to find the mix that really knocks the pain out for you in particular.

Eventually it seems a determined patient will find a chemovar or two that does it, but add CBD in and you change the game.

 

[Blazinjones]

Sweet thanx for tht bit of of

I keep one in constant rotation Jones. It’s the base meds for my daughter, and in her case it tamps down her anxiety, eliminates depression, and relieves chronic pain in her hip from a tumble she took down a flight of stairs about 15 years ago.

I consider it one of the best CBD strains. If you try it be sure to get the chemovar from Barney’s Farm. It was developed with CBD Crew, which explains its excellent breeding.

Jones, we all go for high-THC because that’s how we were trained by prohibition. And THC will remove your consciousness from the pain, but without adequate CBD in the mix you’re fighting yourself, and as you discovered, it’s more challenging to find the mix that really knocks the pain out for you in particular.

Eventually it seems a determined patient will find a chemovar or two that does it, but add CBD in and you change the game.

Sweet thank you for tht bit of info. Ill be making sure i order some barneys farm cbd critical cure on tuesday lol. Do u have any pointers for this strain? Does she like certain conditions more then others? Any help i can get b4 hand with this strain would greatly be appreciated thank hou and namaste.

 

[SweetSue]

Sweet thanx for tht bit of of


Sweet thank you for tht bit of info. Ill be making sure i order some barneys farm cbd critical cure on tuesday lol. Do u have any pointers for this strain? Does she like certain conditions more then others? Any help i can get b4 hand with this strain would greatly be appreciated thank hou and namaste.

She may be the easiest chemovar I grow Jones, and she always brings in a consistent harvest, regardless of medium used. I've never had one be temperamental on me, and some of mine have suffered numerous examples of environmental challenges. I don't do anything special with mine at all. They're hearty as can be. Most of mine came down between 50-60 days of flower. I did have one go 70 days, but she was an outlier.

One of my favorites to grow. There's always one in my garden at all times. They smell like healing to me.

 

[Blazinjones]

Im excited to grow it lol ive never grew a straight cbd strain b4 i always thought the healing factors would lie within strains of high thc but now ive been actually doing research on the subject since i started growing ive learned just how much i didnt really know even on things i thought i did hahaha this is one of the reasons i love this place this is my 420 family lol if it wasnt for nice and generous people such as urself and acouple other growers on here i wudnt be on the path to healing myself as good as i am or have half the knowledge i have now thts for sure so thank you for just being you and all the help u have given me along this journey we call life namaste

 

[SweetSue]

The daughter and I put our heads together and decided the way to go is to dry the Jamaicans low and slo and then convert some into an acid cannabinoid infused oil that she can dose in capsule form. It'll take two weeks to dry the buds - I'm harvesting in the morning - and I'll have her oil made before I leave for my California vacation. Until then she'll continue to juice.

Juicing isn't sitting well with her. It's all about texture and flavor, and she's working through those challenges. Dropping the large fans helps. She didn't care for the idea of simply chewing budlets throughout the day. Lol! Geez, am I the only one who finds fresh cannabis buds tasty?

Next step is to determine what would be an acceptable dose. This is where it gets tricky. The method for finding the optimal therapeutic dose is for controlling the euphoria of THC. We're flying on pure inspiration and faith here. It feels like I'm gonna have to pull a number out of thin air and hope it was right.

I can understand why people go for the high numbers. Cannabis can't really hurt you, but it doesn't make sense to overtax the system shooting in the dark. There's no real way to feel if THCa will be doing what we hope, other than the potential for pain reduction as a sign of things on the mend.

She's a sensitive woman. I'm going to believe that she'll be able to feel subtle clues to healing.

 

[InTheShed]

She's a sensitive woman. I'm going to believe that she'll be able to feel subtle clues to healing.

And always willing to be her mom's guinea pig! Perfect subject.

 

[Blazinjones]

The daughter and I put our heads together and decided the way to go is to dry the Jamaicans low and slo and then convert some into an acid cannabinoid infused oil that she can dose in capsule form. It'll take two weeks to dry the buds - I'm harvesting in the morning - and I'll have her oil made before I leave for my California vacation. Until then she'll continue to juice.

Oooh what is an acid cannabinoid infused oil? Tht sounds interesting lol well i hope everything works out for ur daughter with u helping her out with meds from ur garden n all the experiments u do i think she is in good hands. Congrats on the jamaicans u r about to harvest. What journal do u have pics of them posted in? And r they hempy as well?

 

[InTheShed]

I'm back with a report on my dad and it's not a good one, so I need some direction.

My dad has elevated his self-defense behavior, now fighting with staff over diaper changing and toilet assistance as well as showering. He's hitting more of the caregivers and I'm getting the feeling that he is more than they want to or can handle, and they're prepping to tell me he has to go somewhere with more staff or something. It's been eating at me all weekend. I don't know how to help him. The canna capsules didn't seem to do it so I'm thinking of trying Marinol (big pharma's THC pills). The dose is standardized and I don't have to keep trying to hit a moving target of blends under this kind of time pressure. Does anyone here know anyone on Marinol?

No one suggested I put him on that, but I've been searching online to try to figure out how to help him. A while back I blended a 1:1 with some indica but they said that made him too sleepy. So I cut the dose in half and they said he was still too sleepy. So I let them use up the capsules they had and then stop. This was at least two weeks ago and they are saying he's still pretty sleepy, so I'm guessing that it wasn't the capsules. But I don't think it helped with the agitation. Maybe he needs 2:1 CBD:THC or maybe he needs 1:1 with a sativa or...who knows. There are so many variables in this capsule game that I don't know which direction to take and Marinol seemed like it was a quick way to try something out that was specific and repeatable. I have read anecdotes online from folks who have treated their demented family members and had good results. I'm not sure how long I have to solve his problem before he's beyond their capabilities and he has to move somewhere else.

 

[SweetSue]

I'm back with a report on my dad and it's not a good one, so I need some direction.

My dad has elevated his self-defense behavior, now fighting with staff over diaper changing and toilet assistance as well as showering. He's hitting more of the caregivers and I'm getting the feeling that he is more than they want to or can handle, and they're prepping to tell me he has to go somewhere with more staff or something. It's been eating at me all weekend. I don't know how to help him. The canna capsules didn't seem to do it so I'm thinking of trying Marinol (big pharma's THC pills). The dose is standardized and I don't have to keep trying to hit a moving target of blends under this kind of time pressure. Does anyone here know anyone on Marinol?

No one suggested I put him on that, but I've been searching online to try to figure out how to help him. A while back I blended a 1:1 with some indica but they said that made him too sleepy. So I cut the dose in half and they said he was still too sleepy. So I let them use up the capsules they had and then stop. This was at least two weeks ago and they are saying he's still pretty sleepy, so I'm guessing that it wasn't the capsules. But I don't think it helped with the agitation. Maybe he needs 2:1 CBD:THC or maybe he needs 1:1 with a sativa or...who knows. There are so many variables in this capsule game that I don't know which direction to take and Marinol seemed like it was a quick way to try something out that was specific and repeatable. I have read anecdotes online from folks who have treated their demented family members and had good results. I'm not sure how long I have to solve his problem before he's beyond their capabilities and he has to move somewhere else.

This is why Marinol exists Shed, it's easily dosed. I don't know anyone on Marinol, but what do you have to lose? It's synthetic THC that you don't have to be responsible for growing and turning into a medicine, and from what I've read you'll know fairly quickly whether or not it'll work for him.

This isn't easy to go through.