TeSmp's 400W White Widow's + Soil & DWC Lollipops

[teSmp]

Re: teSmp's 400w White Widow's + Soil & DWC Lollipops - BPN

awesome bud porn

Thanks bro!

They look great brotha, you should definitely be proud of those WW's

I would harvest soon because the plants trichomes will continue to ripen after harvest during drying. Letting it go too long will cause THC to convert into CBN which has no medicinal properties. Here is a post from CryptLord about trichs that could possibly help you out.



Also I remember us talking about trichomes being a possible defense mechanism, I found a reading that goes into detail about the effects of different environmental factors such as Temp, Humidity, UV-B, Pests. It is quite a long read but some of the most detailed information I have read regarding cannabis. I thought I'd ask you for permission to post it first since it might take up 1/3 of a page Lol, if not it's no biggie I will just post it in my journal

It says that studies showed that plants grown in less favorable conditions ended up having an increase in Delta-9, and also showed an increase of cannabinoids with decreased humidity!

Yes post anything however long any time you'd like, just be kind to bump my photos over if I just posted them Thanks for the info I yanked the smaller one today. It had smaller buds and was a smaller plant over all. Not to great but whatever, move to the next stuff. The root ball was tiny, I don't know why that would happen. It was in FFOF and perlite. 70/30%. I'm going to flush one more time and cut the other one Sunday to make sure we get some stony couch lock stuff (insomnia). I was worried my humidity would be slow while drying because the RH where I live is like 10-20%. However, inside the drying box I made it's between 50-60% a few hours after I close up the box! I'm proud of the quality, but not the yield!

Haven't been on in a little while but things are looking pretty nice over there since i last saw. Keep up the good job. And if it were me i'd chop the white widow's they look to be there.

Thanks McPuffin, as I said above I chopped the smaller one today. I'm going to chop the larger one on Sunday When are you starting your new stuff?

The plant with the bubbles is going off compared to the others. Definitely a YES! DO IT! but only after roots have hit the res.

Sounds like from Stoned4daze's quote that the time is NOW!

Awesome, air stones just got here tomorrow I'll install them tomorrow and do res changes. I have a ton of roots in the reservoirs

 

[teSmp]

Re: teSmp's 400w White Widow's + Soil & DWC Lollipops - BPN

Yup so everything's all trimmed up. Dry I should get 1.3-1.5 ounces I think I'll get 1.5 x that at least on the larger one. It has much bigger buds all around and is a bit larger in size all together. I pulled the roots out of the smaller one and let me tell you I'm disgusted, almost all of the soil was still there and the root ball was confined to a small section in the center and then like it should look near the bottom. I have no idea why it was like that, I can just gladly say I've converted to hydro and I won't have to worry about it again I'm going to flush the other girl Thursday and chop her Sunday when I get home.

 

[Stoned4daze61]

Re: teSmp's 400w White Widow's + Soil & DWC Lollipops - BPN

Thanks !

All about trichomes​

Much has been published concerning the influence of heredity on cannabinoid production (e.g., Fetterman et al. 1971b, Small and Beckstead 1973), but ecological factors have long been thought to have an important influence by stressing the Cannabis plant (Bouquet 1950). The resultant increased biosynthesis of the cannabinoid and terpene containing resin, in most cases, seems likely of advantage to the organism in adapting it to a variety of survival-threatening situations. This work reviews these biotic and abiotic challenges and speculates on the utility of Cannabis resin to the plant.
Anatomical distribution and biogenesis of the cannabinoids

The major sites of cannabinoid production appear to be epidermal glands (Fairbairn 1972, Hammond and Mahlberg 1973, Lanyon et al. 1981, Malingre et al. 1975) which exhibit a marked variation in size, shape and population density, depending on the anatomical locale examined. While there are no published reports of glands present on root surfaces, most of the aerial parts possess them, along with non-glandular trichomes (De Pasquale et al. 1974). These epidermal glands seem to fall into two broad categories: stalked and sessile. The stalked gland (Fig. 1, front page) can consist of a single cell or small group of cells arranged in a rosette on a single or multicellular pedestal. Lack of thorough ontogenetic study has led to the speculation that some of this variation may be attributable to observation of various developmental stages (Ledbetter and Krikorian 1975). The sessile gland possesses no stalk and has secretory cells located at or below the epidermal surface (Fairbairn 1972). In either case, the glandular cells are covered with a "sheath" under which the resins are secreted via vesicles (Mahlberg and Kim 1992). This sheath consists of a cuticle that coats a polysaccharide layer (presumed cellulose) originating from the primary cell wall (Hammond and Mahlberg 1978). The resins accumulate until the sheath bulges away from the secretory cells, forming a spheroid structure. The resin is then released by rupture of the membrane or through pores in its surface (De Pasquale 1974). The cannabinoid content of each plant part varies, paralleling observable gland distribution (Fetterman et al. 1971, Honma et al. 1971a & 1971b, Kimura and Okamoto 1970, Ohlsson et al. 1971, Ono et al. 1972), although Turner et al. (1978) have disagreed. Roots contain only trace amounts. Stalks, branches and twigs have greater quantities, although not as much as leaf material. Vegetative leaf contains varying quantities depending on its position on the plant: lower leaves possessing less and upper ones more. Leaf glands are most dense on the abaxial (underside) surface. The greatest amount of cannabinoids is found in the new growth near each apical tip (Kimura and Okamoto 1970, Steinberg et al. 1975), although Ono et al. (1972) seem to differ on this point. This variation in leaf gland placement may be due to either loss of glands as the leaf matures or a greater the endowment of glands on leaves successively produced as the plant matures. Additional study on this point is required.

Once sexual differentiation has occurred, the generation of female reproductive organs and their associated bracts increases total plant cannabinoid content. Bracts subtending the female flowers contain a greater density of glands than the leaves. The small cuplike bracteole (perigonal bract) enclosing the pistil has the highest cannabinoid content of any single plant part (Kimura and Okamoto 1970, Honma et al. 1971a & 1971b). Second only to this is the flower itself (Fetterman et al. 1971b). Since it has no reported epidermal gland structures, the cannabinoids present must be due to either undiscovered production sites or simple adherence of resin from the inner surface of its intimately associated bracteole. This conjecture is supported by the finding that the achenes do not contain substantial amounts of the cannabinoids (Fetterman et al. 1971b, Ono et al. 1972). Reproductive structures of the male plant are also provided with greater concentrations of the cannabinoids (Fetterman et al. 1971b, Ohlsson et al. 1971). Stalked glands have been observed covering the tepal, with massively stalked glands occurring on the stamen filament (Dayanadan and Kaufman 1976). In addition, rows of very large sessile glands are found situated in grooves on the anther itself (Dayanadan and Kaufman 1976, Fairbairn 1972) and apparently provide the pollen with a considerable cannabinoid content (Paris et al. 1975a).

Delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) is the cannabinoid responsible for the main psychoactive effects of most Cannabis drug preparations (Mechoulam 1970). In some varieties of Cannabis, additional cannabinoid homologs appear that have the usual pentyl group attached to the aromatic ring, replaced by a propyl (De Zeeuw et al. 1972b & 1973a, Fetterman and Turner 1972, Gill 1971, Gill et al. 1970, Merkus 1971, Vree et al. 1972a, Turner et al. 1973a) or occasionally a methyl group (Vree et al. 1971 & 1972b). Other claims have been made for butyl (Harvey 1976) or heptyl (Isbell 1973) substitutions, but the latter announcement seems particularly tenuous. THC is thought to be produced by the plant (Fig. 2, next page) from cannabidiol (CBD) which, in turn, is derived from cannabigerol (CBG) generated from non-cannabinoid precursors (Hammond and Mahlberg 1994, Shoyama et al. 1984, Turner and Mahlberg 1988). CBG is also the biogenetic precursor of cannabichromene (CBC). Some of the cannabinoids (e.g., cannabielsoin, cannabinol, and cannabicyclol) are probably degradation products of the enzymatically produced cannabinoids (e.g., CBD, THC and CBC, respectively).

Cannabinoids and environmental stress
Desiccation​

THC is a viscous hydrophobic oil (Garrett and Hunt 1974) that resists crystallization (Gaoni and Mechoulam 1971) and is of low volatility (Adams et al. 1941). Since the sticky resins produced and exuded on the surface of the plant are varying combinations of THC, other cannabinoids and a variety of terpenes, they can be seen as analogous to the waxy coatings of the cacti and other succulents that serve as a barrier to water loss in dry environments.

Bouquet (1950) has mentioned that the western side of Lebanon's mountainous Cannabis growing areas is less favorable for resin production because of humid sea winds. De Faubert Maunder (1976) also observed that the copious separable resin needed for hashish production occurs only "in a belt passing from Morocco eastwards, taking in the Mediterranean area, Arabia, the Indian sub-continent and ending in Indo-China." These are mostly areas notable for their sparse rainfall, low humidity and sunny climate. Is it merely coincidence that resin is produced according to this pattern, as well?

Experimental evidence is accumulating that reinforces these notions. Sharma (1975) reported a greater glandular trichome density on leaves of Cannabis growing in xeric circumstances. Paris et al. (1975a) have demonstrated a marked increase in the cannabinoid content of Cannabis pollen with decreased humidity. Murari et al. (1983) grew a range of Cannabis fiber cultivars in three climatic zones of Italy and found higher THC levels in those plants grown in the drier "continental" (versus "maritime") climate. Hakim et al. (1986) report that CBD-rich English Cannabis devoid of THC produced significant amounts of THC and less CBD, when grown in the Sudan. This trend was accentuated in their next generation of plants.

Haney and Kutscheid (1973) have shown significant correlations of plant cannabinoid content with factors affecting soil moisture availability: content of clay or sand, percent slope of plot, and competition from surrounding vegetation. In some cases, this last factor was noted to have induced a stunted plant with "disproportionally smaller roots", which would tend to increase both the frequency and severity of desiccation stress.

In a study of 10 Kansas locations, Latta and Eaton (1975) found wide differences in plant cannabinoid content, observing that "delta-9-THC ranged from 0.012 to 0.49% and generally increased as locations became less favorable for plant growth, suggesting increased plant stress enhanced delta-9-THC production." Mention was also made of a positive correlation between competing vegetation and THC content. Although the sampling area was not considered very moisture deficient, they speculated that "Greater difference among locations might have been observed under drought conditions."
Temperature

Temperature may play a role in determining cannabinoid content, but perhaps only through its association with moisture availability. Boucher et al. (1974) reported an increase in cannabinoid content with temperature (32o C. vs. 22o C.), however, some variables such as increased water loss due to accelerated evaporation and plant transpiration at high temperatures were left unaccounted. In contrast, Bazzaz et al. (1975), using 4 Cannabis ecotypes of both tropical and temperate character, demonstrated a definite decrease in cannabinoid production with increased temperature (32o C. vs. 23o C.). Later studies by Braut-Boucher (1980) on clones of 2 strains from South Africa revealed a more complex pattern of biosynthesis according to strain, gender and chemical homologue produced. Clearly, further study of this parameter is needed.
Soil Nutrients

Mineral balance seems to influence cannabinoid production. Krejci (1970) found increases related to unspecified "poor soil conditions". Haney and Kutcheid (1973) have shown the influence of soil K, P, Ca and N concentrations on Illinois Cannabis. They report a distinctly negative correlation between soil K and plant delta-9-THC content, although K-P interaction, N and Ca were positively correlated with it. These minerals were also shown to affect the production of CBD, delta-8-THC and cannabinol (CBN), although the latter two compounds are now thought to be spontaneous degradation products of delta-9-THC. Kaneshima et al. (1973) have demonstrated the importance of optimal Fe levels for plant synthesis of THC. Latta and Eaton (1975) reported Mg and Fe to be important for THC production, suggesting that these minerals may serve as enzyme co-factors. Coffman and Gentner (1975) also corroborated the importance of soil type and mineral content, and observed a significant negative correlation between plant height at harvest and THC levels. Interestingly, Marshman et al. (1976) report greater amounts of THC in Jamaican plants growing in "organically" enriched (vs. artificially fertilized) soils.
Insect predation

Wounding of the plant has been employed as a method to increase resin production (Emboden 1972). This increase may be a response to desiccation above the point of vascular disruption. Under natural circumstances, wounding most often occurs as a result of insect attack. This is a source of environmental stress which the production of terpenes and cannabinoids may be able to minimize. Cannabis is subject to few predators (Smith and Haney 1973, Stannard et al. 1970) and has even been utilized in powdered or extract form as an insecticide (Bouquet 1950) or repellent (Khare et al. 1974). Its apparent defensive mechanisms include a generous covering of non-glandular trichomes, emission of volatile terpenoid substances, and exudation of the sticky cannabinoids. Cannabis is often noted for its aromatic quality and many of the terpenes produced are known to possess insect-repellent properties. Among these are alpha and beta pinene, limonene, terpineol and borneol. Pinenes and limonene comprise over 75% of the volatiles detected in the surrounding atmosphere, but account for only 7% of the essential oil (Hood et al. 1973). Consistent with glandular trichome density and cannabinoid content, more of these terpenes are produced by the inflorescences than the leaves, and their occurrence is also greater in the female plant (Martin et al. 1961).

No insect toxicity studies using isolated cannabinoids have been published to date. Rothschild et al. (1977) found THC-rich Mexican (vs. CBD-rich Turkish) Cannabis fatal to tiger moth (Arctia caja) larvae, but not Nigerian grasshopper (Zonocerus elegans) nymphs. Rothschild and Fairbairn (1980) later found that pure THC (vs. CBD) sprayed on cabbage leaves, does repel the large white cabbage butterfly (Pieris brassicae).

The cannabinoids may also serve as a purely mechanical defense. A tiny creature crossing the leaf surface could rupture the tenuously attached globular resin reservoirs of the glandular trichomes (Ledbetter and Krikorian 1975) and become ensnared in resin. A sizable chewing insect, if able to overcome these defenses, would still have difficulty chewing the gummy resin, along with the cystolithic trichomes and silicified covering trichomes also present on the leaf. The utility of these epidermal features as insect antifeedants is also inferable from their predominant occurrence on the insect-favored abaxial leaf surface. Although the above strategies represent a seemingly sophisticated system, many other plants (Levin 1973) and even arthropods (Eisner 1970) utilize similar defense mechanisms, often employing identical terpenes!
Competition

Terpenes may also help to suppress the growth of surrounding vegetation (Muller and Hauge 1967, Muller et al. 1964). Haney and Bazzaz (1970) speculated that such a mechanism may be operative in Cannabis. They further ventured that since the production of terpenes is not fully developed in very young plants, this may explain their inability to compete successfully with other vegetation until more mature. The observation (Latta and Eaton 1975) of increased THC production by plants in competition with surrounding vegetation "at a time in the growing season when moisture was not limiting", may indicate a stimulus for cannabinoid production beyond that of simple water stress.
Bacteria and fungi

The cannabinoids may serve as a protectant against microorganisms. Cannabis preparations have long served as medicines (apart from their psychoactive properties) and are effective against a wide variety of infectious diseases (Kabelic et al. 1960, Mikuriya 1969). These antibiotic properties have been demonstrated with both Cannabis extracts (Ferenczy et al. 1958, Kabelic et al. 1960, Radosevic et al. 1962) and a variety of isolated cannabinoids (ElSohly et al. 1982, Farkas and Andrassy 1976, Gal and Vajda 1970, Van Klingeren and Ten Ham 1976). CBG has been compared (Mechoulam and Gaoni 1965) in both "structure and antibacterial properties to grifolin, an antibiotic from the basidiomycete Grifolia conflens." Ferency (1956) has demonstrated the antibiotic properties of Cannabis seed, a factor that may aid its survival when overwintering. Adherent resin on the seed surface, as well as a surrounding mulch of spent Cannabis leaves, may serve in this regard.

Some of the many fungal pathogens that affect Cannabis include Alternaria alterata (Haney and Kutsheid 1975), Ascochyta prasadii (Shukla and Pathak 1967), Botryosphaeria marconii (Charles and Jenkins 1914), Cercospora cannabina and C. cannabis (Lentz et al. 1974), Fusarium oxysporum (McCain and Noviello 1985), Phoma sp. (Srivastava and Naithani 1979) and Phomopsis ganjae (McPartland 1984).

While A. alterata attacks Illinois Cannabis and destroys 2.8-45.5% of the seed (Haney and Kutsheid 1975), the balance of these species are leaf spot diseases. McPartland (1984) has demonstrated the inhibitory effects of THC and CBD on Phomopsis ganjae. However, De Meijer et al. (1992), in evaluating a large collection of Cannabis genotypes, did not find a correlation between cannabinoid content and the occurence of Botrytis. Fungal evolution of a mechanism for overcoming the plant's cannabinoid defenses may be responsible for their success as pathogens. Indeed, some have been demonstrated to metabolize THC and other cannabinoids (Binder 1976, Binder and Popp 1980, Robertson et al. 1975).
Ultraviolet radiation

Another stress to which plants are subject results from their daily exposure to sunlight. While necessary to sustain photosynthesis, natural light contains biologically destructive ultraviolet radiation. This selective pressure has apparently affected the evolution of certain defenses, among them, a chemical screening functionally analogous to the pigmentation of human skin. A preliminary investigation (Pate 1983) indicated that, in areas of high ultraviolet radiation exposure, the UV-B (280-315 nm) absorption properties of THC may have conferred an evolutionary advantage to Cannabis capable of greater production of this compound from biogenetic precursor CBD. The extent to which this production is also influenced by environmental UV-B induced stress has been experimentally determined by Lydon et al. (1987). Their experiments demonstrate that under conditions of high UV-B exposure, drug-type Cannabis produces significantly greater quantities of THC. They have also demonstrated the chemical lability of CBD upon exposure to UV-B (Lydon and Teramura 1987), in contrast to the stability of THC and CBC. However, studies by Brenneisen (1984) have shown only a minor difference in UV-B absorption between THC and CBD, and the absorptive properties of CBC proved considerably greater than either. Perhaps the relationship between the cannabinoids and UV-B is not so direct as first supposed. Two other explanations must now be considered. Even if CBD absorbs on par with THC, in areas of high ambient UV-B, the former compound may be more rapidly degraded. This could lower the availability of CBD present or render it the less energetically efficient compound to produce by the plant. Alternatively, the greater UV-B absorbency of CBC compared to THC and the relative stability of CBC compared to CBD might nominate this compound as the protective screening substance. The presence of large amounts of THC would then have to be explained as merely an accumulated storage compound at the end of the enzyme-mediated cannabinoid pathway. However, further work is required to resolve the fact that Lydon's (1985) experiments did not show a commensurate increase in CBC production with increased UV-B exposure.

This CBC pigmentation hypothesis would imply the development of an alternative to the accepted biochemical pathway from CBG to THC via CBD. Until 1973 (Turner and Hadley 1973), separation of CBD and CBC by gas chromatography was difficult to accomplish, so that many peaks identified as CBD in the preceding literature may in fact have been CBC. Indeed, it has been noted (De Faubert Maunder 1970) and corroborated by GC/MS (Turner and Hadley 1973) that some tropical drug strains of Cannabis do not contain any CBD at all, yet have an abundance of THC. This phenomenon has not been observed for northern temperate varieties of Cannabis. Absence of CBD has led some authors (De Faubert Maunder 1970, Turner and Hadley 1973) to speculate that another biogenetic route to THC is involved. Facts scattered through the literature do indeed indicate a possible alternative. Holley et al. (1975) have shown that Mississippi-grown plants contain a considerable content of CBC, often in excess of the CBD present. In some examples, either CBD or CBC was absent, but in no case were plants devoid of both. Their analysis of material grown in Mexico and Costa Rica served to accentuate this trend. Only one example actually grown in their respective countries revealed the presence of any CBD, although appreciable quantities of CBC were found. The reverse seemed true as well. Seed from Mexican material devoid of CBD was planted in Mississippi and produced plants containing CBD.

Could CBC be involved in an alternate biogenetic route to THC? Yagen and Mechoulam (1969) have synthesized THC (albeit in low yield) directly from CBC. The method used was similar to the acid catalyzed cyclization of CBD to THC (Gaoni and Mechoulam 1966). Reaction by-products included cannabicyclol, delta-8-THC and delta-4,8-iso-THC, all products which have been found in analyses of Cannabis (e.g., Novotny et al. 1976). Finally, radioisotope tracer studies (Shoyama et al. 1975) have uncovered the intriguing fact that radiolabeled CBG fed to a very low THC-producing strain of Cannabis is found as CBD, but when fed to high THC-producing plants, appeared only as CBC and THC. Labeled CBD fed to a Mexican example of these latter plants likewise appeared as THC. Unfortunately, radiolabeled CBC was not fed to their plants, apparently in the belief that CBC branched off the biogenetic pathway at CBD and dead ended. Their research indicated that incorporation of labeled CBG into CBD or CBC was age dependent. Vogelman et al. (1988) likewise report that the developmental stage of seedlings, as well as their exposure to light, affects the occurrence of CBG, CBC or THC in Mexican Cannabis. No CBD was reported.
Conclusions

Although the chemistry of Cannabis has come under extensive investigation, more work is needed to probe the relationship of its resin to biotic and abiotic factors in the environment. Glandular trichomes are production sites for the bulk of secondary compounds present. It is probable that the cannabinoids and associated terpenes serve as defensive agents in a variety of antidessication, antimicrobial, antifeedant and UV-B pigmentation roles. UV-B selection pressures seem responsible for the distribution of THC-rich Cannabis varieties in areas of high ambient radiation, and may have influenced the evolution of an alternate biogenetic pathway from CBG to THC in some of these strains. Though environmental stresses appear to be a direct stimulus for enhanced chemical production by individual plants, it must be cautioned that such stresses may also skew data by hastening development of the highly glandular flowering structures. Future studies will require careful and representative sampling to assure meaningful results.

Returning to the more orthodox version of the cannabinoid biosynthesis, the role of ultraviolet light should be reemphasized. It seems apparent that ultraviolet light, normally supplied in abundance by sunlight, takes part in the conversion of CBD acid to THC acids. Therefore, the lack *Carlton Thrner 1979: personal communication. of ultraviolet light in indoor growing situations could account for the limited psychoactivity of Cannabis grown under artificial lights. Light energy has been collected and utilized by the plant in a long series of reactions resulting in the formation of THC acids. Farther along the pathway begins the formation of degradation products not metabolically produced by the living plant. These cannabinoid acids are formed through the progressive degradation of THC acids to CBN acid (cannabinolic acid) and other cannabinoid acids. The degradation is accomplished primarily by heat and light and is not enzymatically controlled by the plant. CBN is also suspected of synergistic modification of the psychoactivity of the primary cannabinoids, THCs. The cannabinoid balance between CBC, CBD, THC, and CBN is determined by genetics and maturation. THC production is an ongoing process as long as the glandular trichome remains active. Variations in the level of THC in the same trichome as it matures are the result of THC acid being broken down to CBN acid while CBD acid is being converted to THC acid. If the rate of THC biosynthesis exceeds the rate of THC breakdown, the THC level in the trichome rises; if the breakdown rate is faster than the rate of biosynthesis, the THC level drops. Clear or slightly amber transparent resin is a sign that the glandular trichome is still active. As soon as resin secretion begins to slow, the resins will usually polymerize and harden. During the late floral stages the resin tends to darken to a transparent amber color. If it begins to deteriorate, it first turns translucent and then opaque brown or white. Near-freezing temperatures during maturation will often result in opaque white resins. During active secretion, THC acids are constantly being formed from CBD acid and breaking down into CBN acid. "

If I was going to break all this down into a few sentences it would read like this:

The resin gland produces cannabinoids that are converted into THC. During the active cycle of cannabinoid production the glands will appear clear or cloudy. As the plant matures and the production cycle slows the glands will change color to amber. This is caused from environmental influences, tempeture and light. The major influence on the amber color would be the lack of conversion from cannabinoids CBD and CBN into THC. You can draw your own conclusions as to why, my theroy is as the plant matures it slows in cannabinoid production and the UVB radition has less cannabinoids to convert and starts to degrade the resin - hense the color change.

 

[Stoned4daze61]

Re: teSmp's 400w White Widow's + Soil & DWC Lollipops - BPN

Thanks bro!



Yes post anything however long any time you'd like, just be kind to bump my photos over if I just posted them Thanks for the info I yanked the smaller one today. It had smaller buds and was a smaller plant over all. Not to great but whatever, move to the next stuff. The root ball was tiny, I don't know why that would happen. It was in FFOF and perlite. 70/30%. I'm going to flush one more time and cut the other one Sunday to make sure we get some stony couch lock stuff (insomnia). I was worried my humidity would be slow while drying because the RH where I live is like 10-20%. However, inside the drying box I made it's between 50-60% a few hours after I close up the box! I'm proud of the quality, but not the yield!



Thanks McPuffin, as I said above I chopped the smaller one today. I'm going to chop the larger one on Sunday When are you starting your new stuff?



Awesome, air stones just got here tomorrow I'll install them tomorrow and do res changes. I have a ton of roots in the reservoirs

Yup so everything's all trimmed up. Dry I should get 1.3-1.5 ounces I think I'll get 1.5 x that at least on the larger one. It has much bigger buds all around and is a bit larger in size all together. I pulled the roots out of the smaller one and let me tell you I'm disgusted, almost all of the soil was still there and the root ball was confined to a small section in the center and then like it should look near the bottom. I have no idea why it was like that, I can just gladly say I've converted to hydro and I won't have to worry about it again I'm going to flush the other girl Thursday and chop her Sunday when I get home.

Here's how things are set up now. i got a new humidifier because the RH was down at 7% today and temps were getting to high. I couldnt set the giesel on top of the box because it was to tall and the humidifier took its place. This humidifier works so much better and its at 45% now on the low setting and you can't see mist come out at all or feel it! So I cut a hole in the box and placed the Giesel in it

Anyways.. Here's a few other pics:

WW:

Giesel Diesel

The pictures don't show nearly the amount of trichs there are but you get the picture!

Wanted to make sure I got it all!
That is a bummer about the rootball but you definitely can't tell from the buds.
Somewhere around a QP isn't bad at ALL & just look at those nugs. I would take quality over quantity any day

 

[teSmp]

Re: teSmp's 400w White Widow's + Soil & DWC Lollipops - BPN

Sweet thanks for the read Stoned, I'll check out tomorrow. Movie time for now Here's the yield on the smaller of the two WW's. I'm thinking I'll only get 3 zips off of the two of them since the other one is larger, not bad but not as good as I wanted.

 

[Stoned4daze61]

Re: teSmp's 400w White Widow's + Soil & DWC Lollipops - BPN

No problem, take your time. Movie sounds like a great idea!

I love how your WW's look like a silvery green blue

Nice little dry box. Do you have a small fan exhausting air out and intake holes/slits? I say that because no supply of fresh air + moist buds = Bud rot waiting to happen

I wouldn't want your lovely buds to mold

 

[teSmp]

Re: teSmp's 400w White Widow's + Soil & DWC Lollipops - BPN

No problem, take your time. Movie sounds like a great idea!

I love how your WW's look like a silvery green blue

Nice little dry box. Do you have a small fan exhausting air out and intake holes/slits? I say that because no supply of fresh air + moist buds = Bud rot waiting to happen

I wouldn't want your lovely buds to mold

Thank you actually I don't! The reason I don't is because the humidity is down near the teens here at all times so if I suck that air in and blow the humidity out the buds are going to dry out like my test bud did and become bone dry and smell like grass. I'm airing out the box every four hours not really sure what else to do?? 72F and 50-55% RH.

 

[Stoned4daze61]

Re: teSmp's 400w White Widow's + Soil & DWC Lollipops - BPN

Sounds like you already have it covered. The only thing I could add is maybe use a fan to force the fresh air in when you air the box out just to completely replace the air for preventive measures of mold but I don't think that would be necessary

 

[Ganko]

Re: teSmp's 400w White Widow's + Soil & DWC Lollipops - BPN

Awsome grow TeSmp - Just read 22 pages this morning - with regards to the Giesel Diesel, it may be more of a sativa dominant strain and may need to be in there for a week or 2 longer than the WW - I am by no means an expert, just wanted to think out loud - Nugs look Killa and the organisation of your garden is something to be proud of!

 

[donpaul.p]

Re: teSmp's 400w White Widow's + Soil & DWC Lollipops - BPN

hi mate. i see you have harvested one all ready, just trying to catch up on the journals as i got the use of the net today so catching up, looks like things are going good for you then mate.

ive give my plants their 2nd feed of bpn n the plants are loving every last drop, they really have changed completely since giving them bpn so thanks mate, and even better new, people doubted that i would have females when i only planted 1 or 2 seeds from each strain, well the 3 biggest plants have been in flower for less than a week and the good news is every single one of them is a sexy female, so things are looking good, so i got special kush fem, big bud#2 fem and nl x bb fem, all have shown sex and are really growing quick now, ill be updating my journal shortly as i have some interesting results relating to the glr and 24-0 light schedule, well not that interesting but what i found out is that for the seed and newly sprouted stage the plants under 24-0 grow quicker, and glr and 12-12 both grew less but you cant tell the difference in size between 12-12 from seed and glr, im thinking maybe glr is better for plants that have shown sex and will benefit from the stretch stage, so thanks for the bpn mate, my plants have really filled out and started to flower,

 

[teSmp]

Re: teSmp's 400w White Widow's + Soil & DWC Lollipops - BPN

Sounds like you already have it covered. The only thing I could add is maybe use a fan to force the fresh air in when you air the box out just to completely replace the air for preventive measures of mold but I don't think that would be necessary

Yup, I've been doing that every few times I open up the box. The humidity is going down slowly it's at 42% now.

Awsome grow TeSmp - Just read 22 pages this morning - with regards to the Giesel Diesel, it may be more of a sativa dominant strain and may need to be in there for a week or 2 longer than the WW - I am by no means an expert, just wanted to think out loud - Nugs look Killa and the organisation of your garden is something to be proud of!

Hello Ganko thanks for coming by. Yes the Giesel is definitely sativa dominant it is Chemdawg x Mass Super Skunk. However, it's only on day 35 so it probably just half way right now! Thank you for your comments, very nice to hear

@donpaul, I wrote you on the other journal!

 

[Pierce89]

Re: teSmp's 400w White Widow's + Soil & DWC Lollipops - BPN

NICE!!!! I'm impressed bro. Those are some beautiful nugs. You should be proud. The Giesel is also looking sweet. As long as it has left, that'll be one fat-ass lollipop.

 

[Pierce89]

Re: teSmp's 400w White Widow's + Soil & DWC Lollipops - BPN

My plants are coming along nicely, but I think I'll let the journal die. I really will show you some pics soon though.(I know I've said that alot, but I really will get some pics soon.

 

[Stoned4daze61]

Re: teSmp's 400w White Widow's + Soil & DWC Lollipops - BPN

Yup, I've been doing that every few times I open up the box. The humidity is going down slowly it's at 42% now.



Hello Ganko thanks for coming by. Yes the Giesel is definitely sativa dominant it is Chemdawg x Mass Super Skunk. However, it's only on day 35 so it probably just half way right now! Thank you for your comments, very nice to hear

@donpaul, I wrote you on the other journal!

Where did you get your get your strain information from? The only Giesel in the databank I use is Mostly indica with a flowering time of 49 days

 

[teSmp]

Re: teSmp's 400w White Widow's + Soil & DWC Lollipops - BPN

Where did you get your get your strain information from? The only Giesel in the databank I use is Mostly indica with a flowering time of 49 days

I don't know what percentages or anything. Definitely smells and appears to be sativa dom.

 

[Stoned4daze61]

Re: teSmp's 400w White Widow's + Soil & DWC Lollipops - BPN

Oh I use the seedfinder. If you go to strain description at the top it says mostly indica. I'm not disagreeing with you just wondering the true genetics.

 

[teSmp]

Re: teSmp's 400w White Widow's + Soil & DWC Lollipops - BPN

Oh I use the seedfinder. If you go to strain description at the top it says mostly indica. I'm not disagreeing with you just wondering the true genetics.

Yeah I wonder as well however, you can find information on chemdawg which is mostly sativa and mass super skunk not a bunch of info but it seems to be mostly sativa as well. I have no idea...






Here's a pic of the WW 60 days of flower (will harvest at day 64), other pics updated in my other journal:

 

[teSmp]

Re: teSmp's 400w White Widow's + Soil & DWC Lollipops - BPN

NICE!!!! I'm impressed bro. Those are some beautiful nugs. You should be proud. The Giesel is also looking sweet. As long as it has left, that'll be one fat-ass lollipop.

Thanks Pierce. Half proud lol. We'll see how the other one does and if I get 3 zips total I'll be content

My plants are coming along nicely, but I think I'll let the journal die. I really will show you some pics soon though.(I know I've said that alot, but I really will get some pics soon.

Lol, well get some pics then!!

 

[teSmp]

Re: teSmp's 400w White Widow's + Soil & DWC Lollipops - BPN

I cut down the other WW due to some plans changing this weekend and next week. As I figured it would yield about 1.5 x what the other one did. If I lose 70% on this one I'll 1.8 ounces and so between the two I should be over 3 ounces. So not to bad.

Much larger buds all around no pop corn really except for whats on the bottom.

 

[SpiriTHC]

Re: teSmp's 400w White Widow's + Soil & DWC Lollipops - BPN

Congratulations!
Those buds look great!
Really enjoyed watching this process!

Successful!
Keep on growing!

By the way! Stop by my journal! see whats up! I just entered my first flowering journey!
Would love your support!