Grandpa's White Widow - 2nd Grow.NO MISTAKES!

[Retired One]

Re: Grandpa's White Widow - 2nd Grow...NO MISTAKES!

Hmmmm...yeast, sugar and water...add some ground up corn to that and I can think of another use for that...Grandpa, you ain't got a still tucked away somewhere do you? lmmfao...seriously though, it seems a nice "poor-man's" co2 tank.

 

[grandpastoner]

Re: Grandpa's White Widow - 2nd Grow...NO MISTAKES!

Hmmmm...yeast, sugar and water...add some ground up corn to that and I can think of another use for that...Grandpa, you ain't got a still tucked away somewhere do you? lmmfao...seriously though, it seems a nice "poor-man's" co2 tank.

I was born and raised in Georgia...so corn liquor runs in my blood (litterally). But I had to quit drinking when my son was born. I was up to a case of beer every night and about 2 half gallons of straight vodka every 9 days...no bullshit. And I couldn't have him grow up seeing his dad falling all over his drum kit and f*ucked up 24/7. My green bud is all I need now. Well that and pretty girls.

I'm gonna get the stuff to make it Monday. I hope I am not introducing co2 to them too early. Thanxxx for stopping by dude...

 

[Retired One]

Re: Grandpa's White Widow - 2nd Grow...NO MISTAKES!

. But I had to quit drinking when my son was born.

Exactly the same set of reasons I quit drinking 7 years ago...'course, I might have been known to run off a little corn liquor myself...none of that ol' sugar liquor...nothing but the finest!

 

[Dweeden420]

Re: Grandpa's White Widow - 2nd Grow...NO MISTAKES!

Hi Grandpa, just read thru your grow and wishing you well on your second grow. DJB (my hubby) and I tried the yeast and sugar thing that I found on Youtube but it didn't workout too well for us. It did manufacture CO2 but it seemed to loss its "fizz" after only a few days. I'm not sure if the heat had anything to do with it?? We purchased the CO2 Boost Bucket that seems to work well, it produced CO2 organically.

Co2Boost works from a combination of all-natural compost ingredients. The ingredients are mixed and placed in the bucket where the Co2 is then naturally created. The pump draws CO2 out of the bucket and released to your plants.

This product releases anywhere from 5000-15000 ppms if your co2 monitor is placed DIRECTLY in front of the release valve. These levels decrease sufficiently once they are released into the ambient air. If your grow room is properly sealed, you can achieve optimum growing levels at 1200-1500ppms for sizes up to 10x10x10, if your growing area is larger than that we suggest multiple buckets.

CO2 Boost lasts at least 60 days if used constantly. If you coordinate our product with a timer to coincide with your lights on/lights off phase, it will last you 75-90 days. We suggest one bucket per growing cycle to be safe. The maximum shelf life of an open bucket is 90 days.

Even though it's a 100% organic product it is completely odorless.

Each bucket comes with a small air hose that is attached to the pump. The best distribution method is to place this air hose directly over top of your plants to let the Co2 fall downwards onto the leaves and roots. This method is a nice way to dodge problems such as air leaks and ventilation. Inside your order you will find a pamphlet that includes a "set up and growing tips" section for more information.

CO2 Boost's ingredients are 100% all-natural and harmless. As a matter of fact once your bucket has expired you can open the bucket and use the remaining ingredients as high grade fertilizer!

Good Luck and we will be watching

 

[grandpastoner]

Re: Grandpa's White Widow - 2nd Grow...NO MISTAKES!

Exactly the same set of reasons I quit drinking 7 years ago...'course, I might have been known to run off a little corn liquor myself...none of that ol' sugar liquor...nothing but the finest!

Them was the days weren't they son ? Damn when I think back at all the hell I raised...it's a wonder I ain't boxed up and in the ground already. But if there's any truth to that ole saying that only the good die young...my old ass will be around till I'm 458 years old.

Hi Grandpa, just read thru your grow and wishing you well on your second grow. DJB (my hubby) and I tried the yeast and sugar thing that I found on Youtube but it didn't workout too well for us. It did manufacture CO2 but it seemed to loss its "fizz" after only a few days. I'm not sure if the heat had anything to do with it?? We purchased the CO2 Boost Bucket that seems to work well, it produced CO2 organically.


Good Luck and we will be watching

Thanxxx yall for stopping by. I appreciate the kind thoughts. I'm on a tight budget right now, but I'm gonna look into one of those CO2 Boost Bucket deals. Yall be good and have a nice baked week...

 

[L8tNightSkunk]

Re: Grandpa's White Widow - 2nd Grow...NO MISTAKES!

Sounds like something that would work! and why not try it if its gonna help the plants you know. I think im gonna try this it seems pretty easy i just wouldnt know where to buy yeast at? any help? thanks for the info granpastoner! looking good keep up the good work

I found a cheap way of creating co2 for my grow cab babies. It calls for 1 Soda Pop 2L Bottle, 2 Cups of Sugar, 1 tbs of Baking Soda, 1 packet of Yeast, 2 cups of warm water,
and 2 cups of cold water. The method is as follows:

1. Clean out your 2L bottle with some water, and in a medium bowl, stir in 2 cups of sugar into 2 cups of warm water.

2. Poor the mixture into the bottle.

3. Mix 1tbs of Baking Soda with 2 cups of cold water.

4. Pour this mixture into the bottle.

5. Shake the bottle well.

6. Add the packet of yeast to the mixture, but allow the yeast to sit at the top and do not shake the bottle.

7. Place the bottle in your grow room!

The life of the mixture lasts about 12-14 days. Every 4 days or so you may want to begin stiring the bottle gently to activate more yeast. You should notice a difference in plant growth in about 3 days.

OK...2 questions. 1) Does this sound like something that would work ? (I'm no chemist)
and 2) When is a good time to introduce co2 to my babies ?

Thanxxx yall...

 

[grandpastoner]

Re: Grandpa's White Widow - 2nd Grow...NO MISTAKES!

Sounds like something that would work! and why not try it if its gonna help the plants you know. I think im gonna try this it seems pretty easy i just wouldnt know where to buy yeast at? any help? thanks for the info granpastoner! looking good keep up the good work

Thanxxx dude...yea, I'm gonna give it a try and see what happens. The yeast can be purchaced at a grocery store.

Thanxxx for the lighting info too...

Live long and stay baked !

 

[grandpastoner]

Re: Grandpa's White Widow - 2nd Grow...NO MISTAKES!

I know alot of people who want to use Co2 but its too eratic. thats why I went with a generator (NG)

What sort of generator ? I am curious. That co2 bucket set up looks pretty cool...but what do I know ? I count on friends like you to let me know what's what. The co2 bucket costs a little more than I can afford right now, but if it's as good as I have heard, I'll get one when I can afford one. Here's the link. CO2 Boost - All-natural CO2 Generators for the purpose of CO2 enrichment and air fertilzation

Tonight I'm gonna make that co2 concoction and see what happens.
I have the soon to be ex take some pix and I'll put them all up later tonight.

Later dude...

 

[Ms.Fox]

Re: Grandpa's White Widow - 2nd Grow...NO MISTAKES!

I love the yeast, sugar, and water idea. Let us know how it goes. Lol! Nothing like the smell of bread in the grow room. ;-) You'll know what I'm talking about when you mix that up. The only thing I'm curious about is if you will have to add more sugar along the way to feed the yeast. Should be interesting.

 

[grandpastoner]

Re: Grandpa's White Widow - 2nd Grow...NO MISTAKES!

I love the yeast, sugar, and water idea. Let us know how it goes. Lol! Nothing like the smell of bread in the grow room. ;-) You'll know what I'm talking about when you mix that up. The only thing I'm curious about is if you will have to add more sugar along the way to feed the yeast. Should be interesting.

I've read 2 different accounts of this method. One stated that more sugar would have to be added...the other says "The life of the mixture lasts about 12-14 days. Every 4 days or so you may want to begin stirring the bottle gently to activate more yeast. You should notice a difference in plant growth in about 3 days."...unquote.

Gonna play it by ear Ms.Fox I'll take pix every 3 days and put up a comparison collage later this week. Oh yea...my perlite gets here tomorrow. How much should I add to the FF ?

 

[Ms.Fox]

Re: Grandpa's White Widow - 2nd Grow...NO MISTAKES!

I generally just eye it. You'll want to add a good amount, but have more soil than perlite. Maybe 1/3 perlite.

 

[grandpastoner]

Re: Grandpa's White Widow - 2nd Grow...NO MISTAKES!

I generally just eye it. You'll want to add a good amount, but have more soil than perlite. Maybe 1/3 perlite.

Thanxxx Ms.Fox ...you are always an appreciated help.

 

[grandpastoner]

Re: Grandpa's White Widow - 2nd Grow...NO MISTAKES!

Here is how the co2 situation went down...

I started with 5 basic materials. A 2 liter pepsi bottle, sugar, active yeast, and one of my toys to punch a hole in the bottle top.

2 cups of sugar, 1/2 a tsp of active yeast, and warm water filled to about 3/4 of the way full. Then shake the unholy hell out of it to mix everything up.

I put the bottle filled with the brew on the floor of the cab and under the fan. The fan blows toward the opposite wall reflecting the "breeze" accross the plants...instead of blowing directly accross them. Hopefully as the co2 rises out of the bottle the fan will help blow it toward the plants.

The water and spray bottle are kept in the cab in order to keep the water temp the same as the inner room temp.


Here is baby-girl number one on the night of co2 introduction.

Baby-girl number 2...

It is day 12...24/7 lighting...watering about every 3 days...and tonight I introduced co2. Now lets see what happens.

 

[Retired One]

Re: Grandpa's White Widow - 2nd Grow...NO MISTAKES!

This oughta be entertaining to watch. Love the DIY stuff gradpa.

 

[L8tNightSkunk]

Re: Grandpa's White Widow - 2nd Grow...NO MISTAKES!

Thanks for the co2 pictorial! I tried to give you reps but didnt let me! thanks man im gonna try that! And the seedling look healhty!

 

[grandpastoner]

Re: Grandpa's White Widow - 2nd Grow...NO MISTAKES!

This oughta be entertaining to watch. Love the DIY stuff gradpa.

Oh hell yea brother !

Thanks for the co2 pictorial! I tried to give you reps but didnt let me! thanks man im gonna try that! And the seedling look healhty!

I read where I ought to see some REAL results in 3 - 5 days. We'll see by this weekend I guess. Thanxxx man.

 

[L8tNightSkunk]

Re: Grandpa's White Widow - 2nd Grow...NO MISTAKES!

your welcome man keep us updated! i will be posted!

 

[grandpastoner]

Re: Grandpa's White Widow - 2nd Grow...NO MISTAKES!

One more question. I am getting a ph tester very soon. What are some inexpensive yet effective ways I can either raise or lower the ph level in my soil ? I'm gonna crash...yall stay baked.

 

[L8tNightSkunk]

Re: Grandpa's White Widow - 2nd Grow...NO MISTAKES!

pH is the measure of how basic or acidic a solution is. The pH of a substance is measured in a numerical fashion using a scale of 1 through 14. A solution with a pH higher than 7.0 is considered to be basic and is called a base (or alkaline). A solution with a pH less than 7.0 is considered to be acidic and is called an acid. The strength of an acid or base can be either weak or strong. The stronger an acid or base, the closer the solution is to its respective number on the pH scale (basic being 15 and acid being 1). The weaker a solution or base, the closer its pH value is to a neutral rating (neutral being 7). Every full point change in pH signifies a 10 fold increase or decrease in acidity or alkalinity. For example, water with a pH of 6.0 is 10 times more acidic than water with a pH of 7.0, while water with a pH of 5.0 is 100 times more acidic than water with a pH of 7.0.

Here are some examples of acids and bases and their respective pH ratings.
-.2 Battery Acid
1.2 Gastric fluid
2.2 Lemon juice
3.6 Orange juice
4.4 Beer
5.6 Pure Rain
6.6 Milk
7.0 Distilled water (H2O)
8.0 Seawater
9.2 Baking soda (NaHCO3)
10.6 Milk of Magnesia (Mg(OH)2)
11.4 Household ammonia (NH3)
12.8 Household bleach (NaClO)
13.6 Household lye (NaOH)



pH is defined in chemistry in several ways. An acid is sometimes defined as a solution with the potential to donate a Hydrogen ion (H+, also called a proton), or to accept a Hydroxide Ion (OH-) from a base. A base on the other hand is sometimes defined as a solution with ability to donate a Hydroxide Ion, or... you've guessed it, accept a Hydrogen ion. Low pH corresponds to a high hydrogen ion concentration and vice versa, while a high pH corresponds to a high Hydroxide ion concentration and vice versa.

Why is pH important when growing a plant?

Any substance that is going to be used to support any form of life has to fall within a certain range on the pH scale. The range may vary from organism to organism. marijuana is no different. The soil, nutrient solutions and water all need to be monitored and adjusted to stay within a specific range, depending on your method of growing. When growing marijuana in soil, the soil and water supply should stay within the range of 6.5 to 7.0, while in hydroponics the nutrient solution should stay within the range of 5.5 and 6.0.
When a plant's soil or nutrient solution becomes too basic the nutrients become unavailable to be absorbed by the roots. When the soil or nutrient solution becomes too acidic the acid salts will chemically bind together the available nutrients and they will be nonabsorbent by the roots. When this happens the plant will show tell-tale signs of stress. Some novice growers and even a few seasoned growers will falsely think they need to add more nutes or fert, which only compounds the problem by usually causing toxic salt build-up. Toxic salt build-up stops the roots from absorbing water. So remember as a rule of thumb to always test the pH before reducing or increasing a fert or nute dosage!
The pH of your soil or hydroponics setup can be measured with a simple 20$ or 30$ pH Tester, or small one time paper tests. These are highly recommended when growing any plant.

Some things to remember when using an electronic pH tester

1. Clean the probes of the meter after each test and wipe away any corrosion.
2. Pack the soil tightly around the probes.
3. Water soil with distilled or neutral pH water (7.0) before testing.
4. The meters measure the electrical current between two probes and are
designed to work in moist soil. If the soil is dry, the probes do not give
an accurate reading

What causes fluctuations in pH?

When growing in soil any fertilizer you use can cause an excess build up of salts when it decomposes in the soil. This almost always results in a more acidic soil which stunts the plant's growth and causes brown foliage. When using a Hydroponics set-up the nutrient solution can very easily cause a fluctuation in the growing reservoir. Other common reasons as to why soil may become too acidic when doing outdoor grows are rainfall, leaching, organic matter decay and a previous harvest of a high yeild crop in the same soil. In dry climates, such as the desert Southwest US, Spain, Australia, etc., irrigation water is often alkaline with a pH above 7. The water in rainy climates, such as the Pacific Northwest of North America, the UK, Netherlands and Northern Europe, is often acidic with a pH below 6. Lightly sandy soils with little clay and organic matter are quicker too become more acidic. Another common mistake is that a grower will mix his soil unevenly, leading to "hot spots" in the growing medium, so mix all ratios as well as you can.

How do I raise/lower my pH?

A great way to regulate the pH of your soil is to use Dolomite Lime(calcium-magnesium carbonate). While growing Cannabis plants in containers, mix one cup of fine dolomite lime for each cubic foot of soil, then lightly water it. After watering, mix it once more and wait a day or two before checking the pH. While growing in an outdoor garden, follow the dolomite lime manufacturers instructions. Dolomite Lime works well because it has a neutral pH rating of 7.0 and tends to keep the soil a constant pH throughout the entire life cycle of the plant. This is a highly recommended method of regulating your soil pH.
If you find the pH of your soil or Hydroponic reservoir to be too acidic or basic you could add either pH up or pH down. These are chemicals sold at places like Home Depot or any Gardening store. They usually come in one liter bottles and are to be diluted in the water used to water the soil growing plants or the Hydroponic reservoir according to directions on the packaging.

Some examples of Home remedies to raise/lower pH are as follows:
1.Lemon juice. 1/4 tbsp can bring a gallon of tap-water from 7.4 to 6.3.
2.Phosphoric acid. lowers pH and provides Phosphor too!
3.Nitric acid. lowers pH.
4.Hydrochloric acid. strongest way to lower pH
5.Hydrated lime. flush soil with a teaspoon per gallon of water to raise pH.
6.Baking Soda. eats acids to raise pH.
7.Calcium carbonate. raises pH (very strong)
8.Potassium silicate. raises pH.

What are signs of a PH fluctuation in my Cannabis plant?

A Cannabis plant can show signs of a pH flux in several ways. The leaves may begin to turn yellow or brown, dry up and/or shrivel on the sides into a straw like shape. Keep in mind however that other deficiencies and disorders may show the same signs of damage, so don't jump to conclusions until you do some testing and adjusting to your plants and their growing medium.

Some things to remember

1.Always test the pH of raw water and drainage water with a pH meter.
2.Raw water pH above 6.0 helps keep fertilizer mixes from becoming too acidic.
3.The pH level is much more important in organic soil gardens than in chemical
hydroponic gardens. The pH dictates the environment of bacteria necessary to the
uptake of organic nutrients.

 

[pan4gold49]

Re: Grandpa's White Widow - 2nd Grow...NO MISTAKES!

Everything sounds good Grandpa.

Man I wish I didn't cut up my still I could use as a co2 generator.
Nice list of acid and bases I have some of the strongest acids around for rocks and minerals.

Pan4