Jon's Sneak It In Auto Grow

[Jon]

hard to say there Jon seems to be a slow starter so far

I’m glad you said that @con! I was gonna ask you if you thought it was just me or you were seeing that too. Yes I agree. Mine sat for three or four days before she really began to move. I call it the “auto lag.” Never seen it happen with a photo, but with autos, sometimes they come up and sit for a spell. Even @Emilya Green commented on this when she grew out that auto a while back if you saw that. It seems to be a “thing” with some. This is just observational data, my opinion I guess. Not as if I read this anywhere, but many have said they’ve experienced it. But we are talking Mephisto. So since it’s a done deal regardless (we are already in!, lol) , and we already know going in it’s likely to be a squat indica, I am holding out hope that she has another gear that’ll hit at some point. Autos are much less predictable than photos in this fashion, just the nature of the beast. But many DO have that extra gear. Look at my Pink Rozay. She was an average plant until the stretch. Same with the Apple Fritter. So we will both see. For my scrog my thought is maybe the Cherry Pie makes up for what will be less screen coverage with the DG.

 

[Jon]

I’m glad you said that @con! I was gonna ask you if you thought it was just me or you were seeing that too. Yes I agree. Mine sat for three or four days before she really began to move. I call it the “auto lag.” Never seen it happen with a photo, but with autos, sometimes they come up and sit for a spell. Even @Emilya Green commented on this when she grew out that auto a while back if you saw that. It seems to be a “thing” with some. This is just observational data, my opinion I guess. Not as if I read this anywhere, but many have said they’ve experienced it. But we are talking Mephisto. So since it’s a done deal regardless (we are already in!, lol) , and we already know going in it’s likely to be a squat indica, I am holding out hope that she has another gear that’ll hit at some point. Autos are much less predictable than photos in this fashion, just the nature of the beast. But many DO have that extra gear. Look at my Pink Rozay. She was an average plant until the stretch. Same with the Apple Fritter. So we will both see. For my scrog my thought is maybe the Cherry Pie makes up for what will be less screen coverage with the DG.

Feel free to post her here if you like, whenever the spirit moves you.

 

[Jon]

Feel free to post her here if you like, whenever the spirit moves you.

Btw - if she is getting too squat and tight on you, it sometimes works to lower the light output a little and try to make her stretch some. I’ve had limited success doing that to auto indicas.

 

[Jon]

Feel free to post her here if you like, whenever the spirit moves you.

Sorry @con, I meant the other journal. No Double Grape here. Lol!

 

[con]

I’m glad you said that @con! I was gonna ask you if you thought it was just me or you were seeing that too. Yes I agree. Mine sat for three or four days before she really began to move. I call it the “auto lag.” Never seen it happen with a photo, but with autos, sometimes they come up and sit for a spell. Even @Emilya Green commented on this when she grew out that auto a while back if you saw that. It seems to be a “thing” with some. This is just observational data, my opinion I guess. Not as if I read this anywhere, but many have said they’ve experienced it. But we are talking Mephisto. So since it’s a done deal regardless (we are already in!, lol) , and we already know going in it’s likely to be a squat indica, I am holding out hope that she has another gear that’ll hit at some point. Autos are much less predictable than photos in this fashion, just the nature of the beast. But many DO have that extra gear. Look at my Pink Rozay. She was an average plant until the stretch. Same with the Apple Fritter. So we will both see. For my scrog my thought is maybe the Cherry Pie makes up for what will be less screen coverage with the DG.

my DG has decent height to it (will be able to train it the way i want to) but the growth is lacking a bit compared to the other Mephisto i have going the Forgotton Cookies x Strawberry Nuggets, its close to 2x this size leaf wise as is the Fat Bastard but the Forgotton Cookies x Strawberry nuggets is short & if it don't stretch i'll be training it different & probably be questioning you about topping it & your style of training, the DG is at about 430-450 PPFD 3 out of 4 plants are on day11 so hoping it takes off in the next week their roots are still building, a couple pics for size reference & will be updating my journal tomorrow, Thanks Jon, first pic is the Fat Bastard & Forgotton Cookies x Strawberry nuggets & 2nd pic is the DG, Con's 3rd Indoor Auto Grow - Improved 3.0

 

[con]

my DG has decent height to it (will be able to train it the way i want to) but the growth is lacking a bit compared to the other Mephisto i have going the Forgotton Cookies x Strawberry Nuggets, its close to 2x this size leaf wise as is the Fat Bastard but the Forgotton Cookies x Strawberry nuggets is short & if it don't stretch i'll be training it different & probably be questioning you about topping it & your style of training, the DG is at about 430-450 PPFD 3 out of 4 plants are on day11 so hoping it takes off in the next week their roots are still building, a couple pics for size reference & will be updating my journal tomorrow, Thanks Jon

Lol no problem Jon

 

[Jon]

my DG has decent height to it (will be able to train it the way i want to) but the growth is lacking a bit compared to the other Mephisto i have going the Forgotton Cookies x Strawberry Nuggets, its close to 2x this size leaf wise as is the Fat Bastard but the Forgotton Cookies x Strawberry nuggets is short & if it don't stretch i'll be training it different & probably be questioning you about topping it & your style of training, the DG is at about 430-450 PPFD 3 out of 4 plants are on day11 so hoping it takes off in the next week their roots are still building, a couple pics for size reference & will be updating my journal tomorrow, Thanks Jon, first pic is the Fat Bastard & Forgotton Cookies x Strawberry nuggets & 2nd pic is the DG, Con's 3rd Indoor Auto Grow - Improved 3.0

Actually for the way you’re growing them, at 11 days, that’s pretty solid growth for autos in soil. I might postulate that your DG has no issues, it’s just an indica all the way. Every one I’ve seen in auto starts smaller than the hybrids or sativa heavy ones. They have super tight spacing and it’s hard to defol them sometimes. Is that what you have going on there? That’s about what I expect from her. However, when I topped her and it signaled the side branching to kick in gear, she seems to have developed more space and light. I topped mine above node three in this case to get it done as early as possible. If you tell me what you’d like to see as an end product, I’ll be more than happy to attempt to help you with training to get there if you wish. Many are better than me who are watching too though, remember that. I ain’t no training specialist, I just do what these guys taught me.

 

[Jon]

Actually for the way you’re growing them, at 11 days, that’s pretty solid growth for autos in soil. I might postulate that your DG has no issues, it’s just an indica all the way. Every one I’ve seen in auto starts smaller than the hybrids or sativa heavy ones. They have super tight spacing and it’s hard to defol them sometimes. Is that what you have going on there? That’s about what I expect from her. However, when I topped her and it signaled the side branching to kick in gear, she seems to have developed more space and light. I topped mine above node three in this case to get it done as early as possible. If you tell me what you’d like to see as an end product, I’ll be more than happy to attempt to help you with training to get there if you wish. Many are better than me who are watching too though, remember that. I ain’t no training specialist, I just do what these guys taught me.

That said, I’m as thirsty as you seem to be to improve as a grower. If I’m going to do something and commit I want to do it right. I leave blood everywhere. See? This is what happens when a frustrated Jon takes his angst out on his Spector.

 

[con]

Actually for the way you’re growing them, at 11 days, that’s pretty solid growth for autos in soil. I might postulate that your DG has no issues, it’s just an indica all the way. Every one I’ve seen in auto starts smaller than the hybrids or sativa heavy ones. They have super tight spacing and it’s hard to defol them sometimes. Is that what you have going on there? That’s about what I expect from her. However, when I topped her and it signaled the side branching to kick in gear, she seems to have developed more space and light. I topped mine above node three in this case to get it done as early as possible. If you tell me what you’d like to see as an end product, I’ll be more than happy to attempt to help you with training to get there if you wish. Many are better than me who are watching too though, remember that. I ain’t no training specialist, I just do what these guys taught me.

Thanks Jon i'm giving them a another week atleast before i change any of my original plans

 

[Jon]

Actually for the way you’re growing them, at 11 days, that’s pretty solid growth for autos in soil. I might postulate that your DG has no issues, it’s just an indica all the way. Every one I’ve seen in auto starts smaller than the hybrids or sativa heavy ones. They have super tight spacing and it’s hard to defol them sometimes. Is that what you have going on there? That’s about what I expect from her. However, when I topped her and it signaled the side branching to kick in gear, she seems to have developed more space and light. I topped mine above node three in this case to get it done as early as possible. If you tell me what you’d like to see as an end product, I’ll be more than happy to attempt to help you with training to get there if you wish. Many are better than me who are watching too though, remember that. I ain’t no training specialist, I just do what these guys taught me.

Here’s one from the “Less is more” school of thought. This is the SG auto. All I did was top her at node four and gently pull the branches out by hand as the grow. No sticks, no anchors, no weights. All the tops you see have long stems already. I have three side branches I also topped once. The three most dominant. They will catch up to the rest and I’ll have a 12-cola decent yield. Absolutely minimal training that yields well. I thin I and many others sometimes make it more than it has to be.

 

[Jon]

Thanks Jon i'm giving them a another week atleast before i change any of my original plans

You shouldn’t on my advice. You know what you’re doing. You are perfectly able to make decisions. I would never try to change your mind about anything (cept growing autos in 3s, lol, as I tell everyone). Just offering if you choose and even then it’s just one way. Not at all claiming it’s the best way. I just try a bunch of stuff til I find what works for me

 

[con]

That said, I’m as thirsty as you seem to be to improve as a grower. If I’m going to do something and commit I want to do it right. I leave blood everywhere. See? This is what happens when a frustrated Jon takes his angst out on his Spector.

sweet looking guitar, Blood & rock n Roll Know any Pantera ? Monster Magnet? or not your style

 

[InTheShed]

No Big Data for entirety of flower eh? And no issues?

None at all. I haven't seen a plant that needs 250ppm of K. Mine sure don't!

But you also just said everyone should run manufacturers recommendations the first time at the same time as saying you rarely use one brand.

That's definitely not what I said! I said:

It would certainly be helpful for folks to grow out a few plants following the manufacturer's instructions so others can see if they work,

Helpful for other growers so they can gauge if it works as advertised. As I mentioned, no one is obligated to run them that way.

So you basically piece together whatever you need to use to get to the numbers you want, is that about right in a dumbed down way?

Indeed. I take the nutes I have on hand and put together those that can best hit my targets for each element. Currently my Grandpa's Moonshine gets a mix of MC, BlueMax A, magnesium nitrate, and Blue Planet Calmag pro. @farside05 has taken it as far as to buy the elements individually and blend his own bottles to mix for his plants.

 

[con]

You shouldn’t on my advice. You know what you’re doing. You are perfectly able to make decisions. I would never try to change your mind about anything (cept growing autos in 3s, lol, as I tell everyone). Just offering if you choose and even then it’s just one way. Not at all claiming it’s the best way. I just try a bunch of stuff til I find what works for me

yeah a few options out there just going to stick with whats working for me but was impressed with your ring/sombrarro training but not deciding anything for atleast a week

 

[Jon]

sweet looking guitar, Blood & rock n Roll Know any Pantera ? Monster Magnet? or not your style

I am working currently on slap and my hero in that regard is Vic Wooten, who I consider the world’s premier bass player. Check out a Sinister Minister live sometime. He’s beyomd a monster. But it’s real physical to play that way and I used to have more room when I wasn’t playing sitting down. Kind of like relearning the bass. Now it’s a sit down instrument. Lol. Like all of em. Heh.

 

[Jon]

yeah a few options out there just going to stick with whats working for me but was impressed with your ring/sombrarro training but not deciding anything for atleast a week

I appreciate that. I don’t suggest Sombrero for indoor anymore. It’s much better as an outside training technique. The lower ring and what the tops do is a bit too unpredictable to be a solid method. That’s what I decided for me after doing it several times. Looks cooler than it works unless you have the exact right strain or are outside. There it rocks. I consider the ring like the most basic and natural shape based on how the plants grow and would consider it a basic tool in the kit. That’s just me. It’s easy.

 

[Jon]

None at all. I haven't seen a plant that needs 250ppm of K. Mine sure don't!

That's definitely not what I said! I said:

Helpful for other growers so they can gauge if it works as advertised. As I mentioned, no one is obligated to run them that way.

Indeed. I take the nutes I have on hand and put together those that can best hit my targets for each element. Currently my Grandpa's Moonshine gets a mix of MC, BlueMax A, magnesium nitrate, and Blue Planet Calmag pro. @farside05 has taken it as far as to buy the elements individually and blend his own bottles to mix for his plants.

I apologize for the misinterpretation. Appreciate the clarification. I understand what you mean and was not at all suggesting you would ever obligate anyone. Of course not. I know you a little man and know you are as solid as it gets. Just didn’t read closely enough.

 

[Jon]

None at all. I haven't seen a plant that needs 250ppm of K. Mine sure don't!

That's definitely not what I said! I said:

Helpful for other growers so they can gauge if it works as advertised. As I mentioned, no one is obligated to run them that way.

Indeed. I take the nutes I have on hand and put together those that can best hit my targets for each element. Currently my Grandpa's Moonshine gets a mix of MC, BlueMax A, magnesium nitrate, and Blue Planet Calmag pro. @farside05 has taken it as far as to buy the elements individually and blend his own bottles to mix for his plants.

So what chart do you use to get the numbers you like, if I may?

 

[Jon]

None at all. I haven't seen a plant that needs 250ppm of K. Mine sure don't!

That's definitely not what I said! I said:

Helpful for other growers so they can gauge if it works as advertised. As I mentioned, no one is obligated to run them that way.

Indeed. I take the nutes I have on hand and put together those that can best hit my targets for each element. Currently my Grandpa's Moonshine gets a mix of MC, BlueMax A, magnesium nitrate, and Blue Planet Calmag pro. @farside05 has taken it as far as to buy the elements individually and blend his own bottles to mix for his plants.

And @farside05 has gorgeous plants every time. Do you guys use the same chart?

 

[Jon]

And @farside05 has gorgeous plants every time. Do you guys use the same chart?

Hell Shed, while we are here, you’re exactly the person to ask. I am simply 3/4 of a bottle of Bio-Si short of having enough PB for one plant left start to finish. I’d love to use it up. Would you by chance be able to suggest a replacement for Bio-Si? Thanks!