You're right. I'm a liar.
*smh*
*smh*
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You're right. I'm a liar.
*smh*
I would never say such a thing or assume it. I do not think you are a liar, you believe what you believe and I will do the same. If you say you belive in a christian god but I don't, it doesn't make you a liar, it makes you a believer. Also doen't make you right, but you could be.
stimulating conversation is not about right and wrong, it is about sharing ideas and opinions and allowing the respondents to draw thier own conclutions.
Jonny
defoliation absolutely works, its been shown to be way more effective on indoor plants. the fan leaves for energy isnt an arguement indoors. if u are giving plants a good nutrient programme u dont need fan leaves.
Intentionally or not I see I have made the wrong impression with my statement and obviously offended you guys. I did overstate my argument and did imply incorrectly. I stated my opinion as fact and wuashed your opinion for doing the same. I do come off like an asshole sometimes when I disagree.... but I really don't try. I am here to learn and spread the knowledge like everyone else here. My first point reaked of disdain and sarcasm, not quite what I wanted but if you knew me you would know it was not intentional.... just the way I am.
I responded in such a way because of this...
You stated it with such authority that you made it sound like fact, when it is really just your belief. I made my post with the same authority and some facts to try to show the other side of the argument.
I truely have seen your (both of you) posts and journals and have much respect for your accomplishments and experience.
I do not have as much experience with defoliation as you guys do and clearly I will have to do some more research on it. If I am wrong I will be the first to admit it.
My apologies if I offended....
Jonny
"Now these may not be scientific journals but i take hard evidence over theory anyday."
You have it backwards. A "scientific journal" done under controlled laboratory conditions would considered hard evidence.
I haven't seen a journal here doing a side by side comparison that meets those conditions.
The journals I've read here would be considered anecdotal.
This was indeed a bold statement that I made and I will admit it was a little to "I am right - you are wrong"... I kinda came out swinging instead of respecting others opinions. I still believe this but with less assurance than before.Defoliation CAN NOT increase yeild, ever, at all, it is physicly impossible. Accually I believe it DECREASES the size of the yeild.
We are feeding our plants high quality nutrients right from the beginning of their lives all the way through to the end. In the earliest stages (my understanding anyways) of growth, fan leaves will help to feed by way of photosynthesis the newest, nearest attached flowering node. Yes, the fan becomes the mother tit feeding that newest tiniest developing node. But once that new node grows out a bit it no longer needs a tit to feed off of. Roots will supply all it needs from those high quality nutrients we are feeding our plants 24/7. This node also develops well enough that it does it's own photosynthesis
Plants nourish themselves not only with nutrients found in the soil and water but also with the energy found in light. Just as some bacteria and algae do, photosynthesis is the way plants capture the energy of sunlight to produce food. The process is rather complex but basically, plants convert CO2 (carbon dioxide) into carbohydrates and oxygen with the use of water and energy (provided by light). During the day, light is absorbed by different pigments, especially chlorophyll. Since chlorophyll does not absorb the wavelength of green light, it is reflected by the leaves. This is why most plants are green.
Carbohydrates are chemical forms of energy necessary to feed living organisms. Oxygen is necessary for respiration of living organisms, including plants. During plant respiration, carbohydrates combine with oxygen which are reduced to carbon dioxide and water, the reverse of photosynthesis. This process goes on night and day, but is counterbalanced by photosynthesis during daytime.
Indoors, cultivated plants are still getting fed high quality nutrients and do not need the stored leaf nutrients
as much.
I think that a key to not misunderstanding this statement is that not ALL of the leaves are being removed. The plant needs to keep ENOUGH leaves to process the buffet of nutrients it is given. As time goes on, I see the larger fan leaves more and more as a buffer for the plants during lean times (which we rarely give them!).
That's also why I'm hesitant to encourage a new grower to start yanking their fan leaves all over the place. You need to make sure you can keep a plant healthy before you remove their protective buffers. But with proper nutrition being constantly supplied, it appears the plant can maximize light with many of these removed, if that makes sense.
I won't pull a leaf, until the corresponding bud-site has it's own leaves and stem to help support itself. Otherwise, you will start to affect yield and stunt growth. However, once it has it's own stem and leaves - even small ones, it doesn't seem to need the corresponding fan leaf if it's getting good nutrition and light.
These are my observations and experiences only - just throwing that out there from the standpoint of what I'm observing and how it appears to me.
Bassman, incredibly detailed post worth reps, but I have repped you too recently I think.
Stiletto - cool that you are open to thinking outside the... leaf? I have mad respect for your skills brother - I've seen those monster Big Bangs of yours!!