Vyserage's First Indoor Soil Grow - 2017

[vyserage]

Oh hey looks like i did take a pic on day 1 of that clone! Check out this poor girl from day 1 lol. The roots on it today that have started spreading in the cup look nice and perfectly white.

 

[knighthawktfc]

Nice find on the fox run racks, added them to my 'list' on amz to think about for future.

 

[vyserage]

quick question, if i dont top or FIM, i will have only a single Cola with popcorn bits everywhere else or does it make other secondary cola's too?

So in other words, if i top i get 2 main cola's, then if i FIM those 2 main's will become 8 mains. Or if i FIM, that single main will become 4 mains (hopefully) and if i top those 4 new mains will become a total of 8. Is that correct?

 

[Planter420]

In a nutshell yes. You can achieve tons with lst as well. Even if you only top one time, if you put the top node in a ponytail for six hours a day before topping, it lifts up the leaves and allows the lower branches to receive light so they will catch up to the top. Slows down the veg growth less than topping or missing. But basically, to answer your question, you too once and get two dominant colas. You top both of those tops, you'll have four dominant colas and so on and so forth.

 

[vyserage]

Ok guy's i think i figured out what i want to shoot for For this very first grow, im going to try and Top the main to make 2 and after a week or so when it grow's a bit, im going to mainline it and top those 2 to make 4. Another week or so later will top those 4 to make a total of 8, all while light training them to be evenly spread out as much as i can to make a symmetrical shape and hopefully get an equal amount of nutrients to them all.

I was thinking of making it super easy and just topping once to mainline it then FIM those now 2 shoots to get a total of 8 (hopefully) but if i went that way, its not gonna be symmetrical from the fim as i believe those grow randomly/uneven compared to top. Also with topping i can hopefully keep the plant to a acceptable size in the grow tent. I think for my next grow i will try topping and femming so atleast then i have the knowledge of how just straight topping goes.

EDIT: i just thought, wait a minute if i FIM first then top 2nd, wouldnt the very first FIM spread out fairly even?

EDIT 2: Forgot to post this yesterday but i seem to be having leaf upwards curling on a few leaf's total from 2 plants (#1 and #4).
I know the roots are in good health as they were pure white when i transplanted them, the light was hanging at 22' from top of highest plant so i raised the light up a couple inches to be 24' again. I know im not over-watering as i only water when top inch of soil is dry, so the only culprit i can think of is the hot temps. It gets as hot as 91 Fahrenheit sometimes but i'd say 85% of the time its 86 or 84. Lowest it gets at night is in the late 70's like 78 or 79. Yesterday evening our AC broke down and it got 97 hottest! Luckily AC is fixed and it went from 93 to 86 and dropping.

I also transplanted them so it could possibly be transplant shock and will come out of it just fine.

What do u think the cause may be, overheating?

 

[knighthawktfc]

On the plants curl thing.. yes I would say it was heat\light related stree, both your steps in that regard were a good idea (raising light a couple inches, and of course fixing AC!). Should recover in day or two if it was one\other or both I think. Can't be having it in the 90's in there.

 

[vyserage]

8/29/17 Day 16: Growth continues.
8/30/17 Day 17: Growth continues
8/31/17 Day 18: Growth continues
9/1/17 Day 19: Watered all plants (5ml cal/mag per 1 gallon), Topped plant #1, 3, and 4. Plant 1 and 3 are on their 4th nodes where they were topped. Plant #4 was topped at 4th but i wasnt confident i did it right so i topped it down to 3rd node. Might have been a bit early for topping, oh well. i've been looking forward to doing it so i could see for myself in person the effect it has and in more detail

Pics:

 

[knighthawktfc]

8/29/17 Day 16: Growth continues.
8/30/17 Day 17: Growth continues
8/31/17 Day 18: Growth continues
9/1/17 Day 19: Watered all plants (5ml cal/mag per 1 gallon), Topped plant #1, 3, and 4. Plant 1 and 3 are on their 4th nodes where they were topped. Plant #4 was topped at 4th but i wasnt confident i did it right so i topped it down to 3rd node. Might have been a bit early for topping, oh well. i've been looking forward to doing it so i could see for myself in person the effect it has and in more detail

Pics:

Looking good. Growth explosions coming in a couple days I bet after all the toppings, then maybe think about a little lst.

 

[vyserage]

Actually what im thinking of doing is main-lining so there wont be any popcorn nugs, it'll just have the main cola's only. Have u done it like that before? I'm going to wait a few days to ensure i did top correctly and when i see the new shoots developing ill know its safe to remove all leaf's and growth tips below the 2 new main nodes, all the plants are gonna look so naked! lol

Once thats done, ill be doing lst to make that wide U or V shape and will be trying to go for a perfectly symmetrical shape so nutrients is evenly given to all shoots as much as possible.

 

[vyserage]

9/2/2017 Day 20: Today i trimmed off some of the lower leaf & growth but only a single node from very bottom. Did this to plants #1, 3 and 4. This was done to avoid nutrients being spent on lower nodes that i plan to chop off anyways so that the main shoots get all the nutrients. Plant #3 actually had 2 nodes total from bottom up removed. I'm leaving the nodes below main nodes for now, just in case i failed to top correctly so i can still top it down a level. I feel like i may or may not have cut part of the new node when i topped on a plant, maybe even 2 so this is just a precaution.

Noticed plant #3 has white tips starting to appear on 2 tips, possibly more. White tips = nutrient burn or light burn? If its the light, perhaps 24' is too low for the plants right now so i should raise it up. If nutrient burn, sounds like i need to water my plants alot until the ppm runoff is down to an acceptable mid-high range. Thoughts?

 

[knighthawktfc]

White tips... sounds very much like light\heat burn; yeah try moving up just 2"inches to 26" and watching to see what happens. Could also be lack of zinc...but that seems least likely even situation.

 

[vyserage]

UPDATE to 9/2/2017: 7pm today i did a little lst to open up the leaf's on plant #3 so the node would get proper light. I also trimmed some more nodes off the plants so that all 3 (the biggest 3) have the main node/s and the node directly below them. Anything below that has been chopped, but i left the leaf's on, i only chopped the growth off. My general idea here is that the leaf's will still suck in sunlight and feed it to the upper nodes, is that correct or should i just chop those leaf's off where i chopped the nodes off already?

Here is a pic to show what i did, you can clearly see where the node was. Am i correct in doing this? Also please answer this question as well: when it comes time to mainline, i would be bending the nodes off to the left and right, not the fan leaf's that i currently have bended correct?

The pic:

 

[knighthawktfc]

Don't have the knowledge to anwser your two questions, other than seems a little early to be taking off so much, but maybe it's fine.

 

[vyserage]

9/3/17 Day 21: Growth continues
9/4/17 Day 22: Growth continues
9/5/17 Day 23: Topped plant #2 today. Growth continues.
9/6/17 Day 24: Transplanted #5. Watered calmag. lst'd #2.

You can see each plant has 4 nodes, the 2 main tops and the 2 nodes directly underneath. I'm thinking of keeping these 4 nodes and topping them all to make a total of 8 nodes, this way i only top a total of 2 times rather than 3 times. I'm curious to see how this will go vs my next grow where ill top a total of 3 times with just the main's and no any growth underneath. Plants are a little droopy because of watering.


PPM is as follows:
#1: 2653
#2: 1677
#3: 1483
#4: 1579
#5: 1460
Clone: 177 (WAY too low, dont have transplant bags, about to order some.)

 

[knighthawktfc]

Looking good, glad to see your clone established now.

 

[vyserage]

9/7/17 Day 25: Growth continues
9/8/17 Day 26: Growth continues. Accidentally broke a fan leaf on plant #3, attempted to tape it back in place and supported it. Will give a week to see if it survives otherwise ill just clip it off.
9/9/17 Day 27: Topped all 4 nodes on plant #1/3/4. The bottom set of nodes actually had 2 nodes growth so i chopped them back to the first node since it had the bigger new leaf's and would take less time to grow bigger faster. Plant #4 however i topped it at the 3rd node so it has 2 nodes left, its new main set plus a set right before it. Curious to see how this turns out with that extra node/bud. Now these 3 plants are good to go as far as topping goes, they will have a total set of 8 main shoots for a total of 2 toppings.

 

[vyserage]

9/10/17 Day 28: Topped Plant #2, all plants except #5 should now have 8 cola's. Watered all plants.
9/11/17 Day 29: Growth continues.
9/12/17 Day 30: Topped #5 for the first time today (at 4 nodes left). LST'd all leaf's blocking any nodes from getting light. Posted 2 pictures of leaf's close up from 2 plants (#3 and 4) which have small dots on them. This is very slowly spreading, it used to be where only plant #3 had the spots but now #4 also has some on a leaf or 2. Some sort of deficiency?

I'm glad im finally 30 days in! The big one month haha. I'm not sure if i should start feeding nutes from here on but i plan to transplant into 3 gal grow bags later tonight after work so that will give it a bunch more new nutrient rich soil. Suggestions/comments?
Also, im curious. The way my plants are looking, when should i start flowering, day 45? Day 60? I'm loving seeing my plants grow as i top them and train em!

HERE ARE THE LEAF SPOTS:
(note: Ignore that crunchy lookin leaf in background, its the one that broke off like 95% and is taped)

Here's some pics!

 

[knighthawktfc]

Not sure what to say about those spots, my first instinct is to say probably not def. related, maybe random spots where you got water droplets or maybe some little critter munching, though it really doesn't look like either to me but i'm no expert. With the transplanting your right that you may not need to start in with the nutes on those. As for 45\60... that's up to you, but I'd give them two more weeks before flipped at least and try to get everyone a couple days into their final pots before flipping.

Looking really good though.

 

[vyserage]

I just took a video of bugs that have shown up in the soil of the clone In the video its hard to tell but there is a spot where you can see 1 bug moving around (theres a lot more than just 1 bug in there lol). Tonight when i transfer my plants im gonna see if there are bugs in the soil of my plants and if there is not, im going to just junk that clone. If there are bugs in my plants, im going to just have to get some kinda bug killer and feed that to all my plants in hopes of being rid of said bugs. In which case ill keep the clone, otherwise ill junk it.

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[vyserage]

Okay so plants #1/3/4 were clean in the transfer but plant #2 which was right next to the clone had some bugs in the soil falloff while transfering. This is unfortunate as i cant tell what exactly the bugs might do to the grow. Any kind of all purpose bug killer you water to ur plants to kill bugs in soil?