Picking Up After a Half-Arsed Start (Bagseed, First Time Grow)

shoot five

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Good afternoon everyone (well, it is in the UK! Good morning, everyone else).

I've been reading this forum for a little while and have picked up a few very helpful pieces of advice, so for that, before I start: THANK YOU for info I have already gathered, THANK YOU in advance for anything I learn from this thread.

So, here goes nothing. I would like to preface this by saying that until a week or two ago I was very ignorant of the growing process so forgive my amateurish mistakes. Mostly, I'd like to know if this can be salvaged (maybe that's too extreme, perhaps 'improved upon'), to turn it into a grow and learning process that is worth it in the long run. I guess even a total cock-up would be a learning curve!

First, a little info:

GERMINATION & INITIAL INFO.

This is a bagseed grow, I germinated about a dozen seeds that I found in the bottom of my 'box of tricks' where I store my pipes, papers, etc. Not the best way to source good quality seeds, I know!

Only about four or five sprouts poked through about a week before Valentine's Day, as a timefrmae. I wish I'd kept more of a diary now!

I picked the two most viable, due to space restrictions, and moved them into a Potting Mix, in peat pots. So the plants are now about 4 weeks old, give or take.

These two were moved into my wardrobe/closet which is to serve as my grow space. I started off using CFLs after a friend's recommendation, and lack of funds, unfortunately.

VEG.

I had one (these are surprisinly hard to get, round here) 6500k CFL and one 2700k for veg, both just under 30 watt actual usage. This obviously wasn't really enough, and I must seem like an absolute fool for starting so ill-equipped, but the plants seemed happy and soon started to flourish.

Incidentally, water every other day, with crappy Miracle Gro that I had, using a little less than recommended. Proper nutrients will soon be utilised, I promise!

I was using foil for reflection (another no-no, I now realise), wrapping it over the plant like an old lady's headscarf, with the bulb inside (does that make sense?). :surrender:

The plants were in pots about 3" across and were soon transplanted to larger pots, as their root growth dictated.

After the plants were about 5"-6" I started a little LST to maximise the puny light's effectiveness.

I will say that I don't think I Vegged for nearly long enough, but unfortunately I'm renting a house and we have quarterly inspections to check we haven't destroyed the place, so I was anxious to get this initial first grow over and done, successfully, however small the yield. I figured even if I had a plant that started seeding due to my inexperience, I would carry on (still will if this is the case), at least I'll know how to conclude a grow, and will have more seeds. Obviously if it turns out as two males they will be binned.

So, after about 3 weeks of veg under my crappy set-up, I turned to 12-12 lighting.

FLOWERING (hopefully)

I've switched to 12-12 and the plants have been that way for about 10 days now. They are under 4 CFL 2700k bulbs, 1x 30w, 1x 28w, 2x23w. Again, this isn't ideal, but is what my budget dictates.

Photos follow.

Plant One!
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Plant Two!
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Plant Two's now been very well, check this out:
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Any suggestions?

The happy family:
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So, thinking about it, this isn't really a journal. I jumped in whole-hearted but half-arsed due to lack of knowledge. I'm now a month through, have no doubt made a lot of mistakes along the way, but I'd like to keep you all posted and if anyone has any advice, questions or encouragement, it would be definitely appreciated.

Thank you all,
Be lucky!
S5.
 
Re: Picking up after a half-arsed start (bagseed, first time grow).

Shoot five, your plants look good. I used CFL's on my grow and my girls came out pretty decent. I also used Miracle grow nutes but if your using soil with slow release nutes in it then you won't need any high nitrogen nutes. I'm not an expert but that's what worked for me. Good luck.
 
Re: Picking up after a half-arsed start (bagseed, first time grow).

Thanks for the info, I'll check the mix I'm planted in, but it didn't say anything about slow release nutrients, but you never know! It was a bag with a disc-like compressed block, maybe 5" diameter, 2" deep. A 'just add water' sort of thing that expanded into supposedly good potting mix.

Got to keep an eye on the brown patches in the photo above. Think I'll go check them out, tie down if needs be, etc.

Then I've got a 'real' garden I need to sort out, bloody hell! If only my fences were higher I'd consider an outdoor grow this summer.
 
Re: Picking up after a half-arsed start (bagseed, first time grow).

ok, those are the peat pellets. I use those to start also. They work fairly well but I take off the netting before replanting into bigger pots. I would like an outside grow too, If it wasn't for nosey neighbors.
 
Re: Picking up after a half-arsed start (bagseed, first time grow).

Thanks. It's wierd, I always pictured peat pellets when I read about them as being maybe marble sized for some reason so I didn't pay much attention as I'd never seen them. D'oh. 'Pellets' doesn't make me think of what I was using.

Oh well, my plants seem happy enough, more pictures to follow.
 
Re: Picking up after a half-arsed start (bagseed, first time grow).

My mistake, the ones I use are 3" round super compressed disks. Looking foward to seeing your pics.
 
Re: Picking up after a half-arsed start (bagseed, first time grow).

Well quick update. Here's a little preflower showing pistils (just), which unfortunately can't really be seen in much detail due to being taken on a cameraphone, but I think it's a positive step at least! The plants don't seem to really be showing signs of flowering quite as quickly as I thought, but they are growing real fast now.



I will have to choose one or the other I think soon, unfortunately, I haven't the grow space or possibly enough lights to maintain both for much longer really. 4x CFLs are not ideal but I'm skint at the mo' and can't afford the slightly better set up I'd like.

I want to really keep both going strong but I know I can't - I set out to at least have ONE plant from seed to harvest, more as a learning experience than anything, so the one showing the preflower may now be repotted and with all four lights trained on it. The other, unfortunately, will meet it's maker.

Better update soon when I have more time/photos.

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Re: Picking up after a half-arsed start (bagseed, first time grow).

A quick few photos will follow.

I decided to get rid of one plant, they were crowding each other out a little in my (somewhat inadequate) grow space, one showing small signs of male preflowers, one showing the beginnings of female preflowers.

So, I now have one plant which will hopefully be a healthy female, repotted and with all four lights above what will most likely be the main bud sites.

Still a massive learning curve for me, at least I'm seeing signs of flowering. LST has proved useful, the plant is short but wide, a few long 'stalks' have raised above the main canopy height.

I will be adding one or two more lights and a better 'rig' to allow the lights to be at different heights so they will be 1"-2" above different parts of the plant.

I'm loving it so far, lots to learn, plenty of mistakes made. As I said in my first post though, regardless of yield (though obviously the more the better) is somewhat irrelevant, I'd just like to succeed with a plant from seed -> harvest. Hopefully looking good so far.

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Re: Picking up after a half-arsed start (bagseed, first time grow).

Well I'm happy so far with my progress - image below of the most developed 'top' so far. The picture isn't the best (apologies, camera phone and right under a light) but I hope you'll agree it's reasonable for my lack of skills, cash and decent lighting, etc.

Here goes...



I've only been growing now for six weeks now, give or take, but this site has really helped. I think it'd take more like six years to grasp it all though!
 
Re: Picking up after a half-arsed start (bagseed, first time grow).

Doing very well shoot five! Looking Very Sativa going to be worth the Wait My Friend! :yahoo:
Keep growin' Strong. :bravo:
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Re: Picking up after a half-arsed start (bagseed, first time grow).

Aw shit, I was just going to bed, and the freakin' lights were still on over my plant - the timer wasn't clicking around. BALLS!

So, she's now had a good 3 hours extra light today - anyone care to hazard a guess as to how badly this could affect my grow???

Thanks for the encouragement, though, The Weed
 
Re: Picking up after a half-arsed start (bagseed, first time grow).

Well hello everyone. I'm still soldiering on under my four crappy lights hoping to complete this grow and have a little smoke. Can't wait to get onto the harvest/dry/cure stage so I can learn a little about that and then hopefully tackle a "real" grow next time around. Some photos below. Hopefully some folks will be able to offer some advice/criticism. I haven't had as much time as I'd have liked online recently to update and provide better photos, learn more, etc.

Unfortunately I've had problems with a timer (mentioned above) and so the light cycle hasn't been exactly 12/12 throughout, which is a downer, but I'm hoping to keep on keepin' on. Even if I do end up with a hermie (no signs so far) at least I'll get a few seeds, eh?!









 
Re: Picking up after a half-arsed start (bagseed, first time grow).

Would anyone like to hazard a guess whether I'll be able to cut my plants within the next 4 weeks? I'm in a rented house and - uh oh! - have been told there will be an inspection on 11 May. Sucks huh? So my closet grow will be getting the chop the weekend of the 8th whether it likes it or not.

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They now have 4 weeks to really get a move on and bulk up. Fingers crossed, any advice would be GREATLY appreciated.
 
Re: Picking up after a half-arsed start (bagseed, first time grow).

MMMMMM, Bud porn. Looking pretty tasty.
 
Re: Picking up after a half-arsed start (bagseed, first time grow).

Buds are fattening up a bit now, I think it'll be time to harvest shortly. This is the 14 week stage, 10 of flowering. One question though, some of the leaves on the buds are drying out and dying - have I done something wrong? I'll go hunt other threads for similar cases and also try to upload a photo when they are in their daylight cycle later on.

Thanks in advance all.
 
Re: Picking up after a half-arsed start (bagseed, first time grow).

Harvested this morning following 48hr dark period. Quite pleased with the results (not smoked any yet though!) considering my lack of knowledge, equipment and experience.

It's been a total learning curve and I've loved it. I took one clone from my plant to keep it going should I be happy with the results. It's in the greenhouse at the mo (grow space is now drying space!) but will get it under lights when I can.

Can't wait!!! Will update when I'm curing, or if I have any problems, etc..
 
Re: Picking up after a half-arsed start (bagseed, first time grow).

Congrats. Good luck with your clone.
 
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