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Thanks for calling in the big guns sly, confident they can help resolve before it's a problem
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It does look like a deficiency. Since it's soil, @Emilya is a better choice for advice.
@barillaro, you asked earlier about re-using coco coir. I constantly re-use mine, without per-charging between runs. You can recover more of the substrate if you keep the root balls wet. This takes a few weeks. The roots will drown and die, letting you pull the stem out. The whole root ball will just fall apart.
Emilya Green
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The plant's needs at this stage are few... they need nitrogen and that is in the soil... there is no need for top dressing or anything else at this point... the soil should be able to handle things just fine.
I suspect the problem that I see getting worse over time is from watering too often. It seems the soil is always wet, and I suspect you are overwatering. Use the lift the pot method to determine if there is ANY water left in the soil, and if you can discern ANY water weight at all with your human senses, it is NOT time to water yet. It is super important to establish a wet/dry cycle in these containers, so the lower roots are able to get oxygen between each watering. I wrote a piece several years ago that is very popular describing a method to properly water a plant in a container of soil... I invite you to read it. The link is in my signature. I will keep looking in here to see how you are doing, but this very common mistake is easily corrected and I think you will be doing fine once you learn how to properly tease out the water for your weeds. Glad to see the auto finally emerged!
I suspect the problem that I see getting worse over time is from watering too often. It seems the soil is always wet, and I suspect you are overwatering. Use the lift the pot method to determine if there is ANY water left in the soil, and if you can discern ANY water weight at all with your human senses, it is NOT time to water yet. It is super important to establish a wet/dry cycle in these containers, so the lower roots are able to get oxygen between each watering. I wrote a piece several years ago that is very popular describing a method to properly water a plant in a container of soil... I invite you to read it. The link is in my signature. I will keep looking in here to see how you are doing, but this very common mistake is easily corrected and I think you will be doing fine once you learn how to properly tease out the water for your weeds. Glad to see the auto finally emerged!
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Thanks for the Coco info salt, might restart the failed auto and drop her back into Coco
Thanks em, I think i see where I've gone wrong then, I'll go a few more days without watering and hopefully the problem gets better
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More sunlight for the girls, taking advantage while I can. Won't be able to move them back and forth once they start smelling
The twisted RC2 loves the sun, her leaves were nearly vertical pointing at it
I got my kill a watt, last night I accidentally ran the girls at 32 watts, didn't know it could dim that much. Upped it to 70 watts @21" from the canopy. Hopefully all is well and happy in the morning.
Also, the auto appears to be dying, getting dark and looks dead, will keep monitoring but currently germing another seed right now. Same with DK2 seedling. No growth again but will continue to monitor
The twisted RC2 loves the sun, her leaves were nearly vertical pointing at it
I got my kill a watt, last night I accidentally ran the girls at 32 watts, didn't know it could dim that much. Upped it to 70 watts @21" from the canopy. Hopefully all is well and happy in the morning.
Also, the auto appears to be dying, getting dark and looks dead, will keep monitoring but currently germing another seed right now. Same with DK2 seedling. No growth again but will continue to monitor
SlyTown420
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Too bad on that auto and the DK2. Good luck on your next ones.
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Just hung a damn towel to try and raise humidity, up to 37 percent currently. Will check in an hour, gotta make due until I grab a humidifier.
This is why I'm frustrated at the humidity. Planted last year around January with 0 issues, we are about to come out of this dip in RH I hope.
This is why I'm frustrated at the humidity. Planted last year around January with 0 issues, we are about to come out of this dip in RH I hope.
Emilya Green
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Here in Missouri the humidity ranges anywhere from 100% the majority of late summer to 20% when there are no storms. We range all over the place and except in the dead of winter when it gets dry and the humidity drops to 5%, I don't worry about the RH other than for my own skin. I have never had a problem with my plants because of this.
If you were a pro commercial farmer and you wanted to get that extra 5% out of your crop, then you look into tricks like carefully controlling the VPD to get that marginal increase in production... but for most of us home tent dwellers... its just another way to sell us some expensive equipment.
That being said, the one place a humidifier is very handy, is in the drying tent. What an advantage it is to be able to hold your humidity at 63% for a week of drying!
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If you were a pro commercial farmer and you wanted to get that extra 5% out of your crop, then you look into tricks like carefully controlling the VPD to get that marginal increase in production... but for most of us home tent dwellers... its just another way to sell us some expensive equipment.
That being said, the one place a humidifier is very handy, is in the drying tent. What an advantage it is to be able to hold your humidity at 63% for a week of drying!
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Emmie's Links, Journals and Tutorials
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Gotcha, possible nutes deficiency then? Might switch from RO water to tap if that's the case
Emilya Green
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You just have the one plant reacting badly, correct? So its not your watering practices, the humidity, the lights... it is something specific to that one plant. Is it still looking bad after you started working more toward establishing a wet/dry cycle?
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Yes, have not given a proper watering since 10/31. They've has their leaves misted a few times at lights off and top soil wet 2x. The previous picture of the twisted girl was taken today. I read that the tobacco mosaic virus can now affect cannabis. Doesn't look too similar though
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There is one of the popular forums who's chief armchair expert diagnoses TMV to every symptom he can not identify correctly, and yours would certainly fit this category. TMV however is the rarest of the rare... and I have never in all my cannabis growing days actually seen a verified case of it. You most likely have not either, and if it were that, it would not be just one plant. That twisted young thing was just the worst victim of your past watering mistakes and once she gets some roots under her she is going to do a lot better I believe... let give her some time and proper watering to make that happen. Another possibility with all the leaf misting going on that you have developed mold or mildew on her. I would stop the misting and wonder if you might be killing her with kindness... she doesn't need the mist.
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Hopefully the fix is simple. They might get some water tomorrow night if the leaves droop a bit, both pots feel quite light but will try and wait for them to ask for it. As for the misting causing mold or mildew, they were only wet maybe 15-20 minutes max before water evaporated and I've only done it maybe 3-4 time over 5 day period. I will give her a few days before digging around on the internet much more, thanks for the back up on this before I went overboard and made it worse
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80w qb at 21" seems to be the ticket, all 3 looking good and praying up a bit
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Emilya Green
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I think she just got a rough start and is now recovering
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Have only fed RO water so far so I don't know too much about tap water and what's required to use it. Here is the water quality report for my city. Decent amount of CalMag so I might want to switch to tap. Was just wondering if the chlorine amount was acceptable as well as the overall TDS, ~280-330 ppm
Emilya Green
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chlorine is not a problem at all unless you are trying to keep microbes alive in the soil for a organic grow... but if you are feeding nutrients from a bottle, keep in mind that chlorine is one of the 17 elements that our plants need. Most tap water is perfectly acceptable... the adage being if it isnt harmful to you or your pets, it is ok for the plants.
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Got it, didn't know it was beneficial at all actually, learning lots today it seems lol. I was hoping for a fully organic run using only the recommended squid nutes from coast of Maine as well but might fudge it a bit to use tap, I would have had to add calMag eventually bi think anyways
Emilya Green
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ok... so if you are intending to run this approved for organic growers soil in an organic grow, belay the order to allow chlorine in there. You need to do all you can to bolster the living microbes in the soil, not kill them with chlorine. We are getting closer to the problem here now that I learn you are trying to do this without additional nutes... what are you adding to add more microbes? An organic grow needs compost teas or microbial innoculations regularly... if you are not doing that, this is not an organic grow, despite the great mineralized soil. May I suggest adding some RealGrower's Recharge to your program to be able to get the active microlife that you need? It is cheap and very effective... I am running my current organic grow on it now and it works great!
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