DD Stable Of Impermanence

[DonkeyDick]

Hey DD, feeling ya pain from across the Tasman brutha.... Legalize our Meds!
At the moment medical is a joke here, as it is there.
Keep up the good fight mate, tuning in for the show..

Good to have you here, Lowie.
We have a referendum at the end of next year, but a whole bunch of vocal idiots in social media too.

Just got to make it work for ourselves. The lack of access to the world class genetics most of the folk up here grow - that’s only one of my bugbears.

 

[Lowrider72]

I been waiting my whole life for it to be legalized. I joined in trying, we got Medical done here, after years of trying, but its a joke.
Too hard to get unless your dying and Docs can write scripts but expensive to fill here because theres only a couple of people doing commercial med grows.
Its starting to get better but I just dont want to hide it any more.
I want to feel free again and still respect the law.....but until things change, we are apparently....bad.

Fight the good fight brutha!

LR

 

[InTheShed]

Maybe you could send your doctor a link to the article Alafornia posted in his thread from the Mayo Clinic:

https://www.mayoclinicproceedings.org/article/S0025-6196(19)30007-2/fulltext

 

[DonkeyDick]

Thanks Shed. It isn’t for lack of effort on my part I’m still in this situation.
My doctor rang me and based on a blood test says “are you back on the drink again? You have pancreatitis. Look after yourself”
And wrote “back on the drink again” on my file.
I haven’t had a drink in years.
I’d previously asked him about CBD/THC drops. Because a GP has bureaucratic hoops to jump through with the scrutiny of a government department, he declined the invitation to help me in this way. Made me wonder how many dodgy scripts he’s written.
Anyway, my wife’s doctor will prescribe for me. She’ll do it the moment my specialist puts a diagnosis down on my file.
So yeah. Franz Kafka eat your heart out.

 

[InTheShed]

Jesus what an ass. He put that in your file based on a diagnosis of pancreatitis? I'd report him to the medical board for that crap.

But with a diagnosis comes a plan of action, yes?

Just stop drinking again would be my suggestion .

 

[DonkeyDick]

Ha! I’ve missed your wry, dry humour man I’m glad you’re feeling better.

Yep a crappy diagnosis from a crappy doctor. I do have half a mind (no! this sentence isn’t finished yet) to make a complaint to the health and disability commissioner.

With a diagnosis will come a plan for recovery. That’s the other reason I want one you look up pancreatitis on wiki or anywhere and try to find prognoses, recovery plans, pathways back to health. All you find is stats on mortality rates.
Not exactly 420% helpful.

 

[InTheShed]

Treatment
Initial treatments in the hospital may include:

• Fasting. You'll stop eating for a couple of days in the hospital in order to give your pancreas a chance to recover.
  
  Once the inflammation in your pancreas is controlled, you may begin drinking clear liquids and eating bland foods. With time, you can go back to your normal diet.
  
  If your pancreatitis persists and you still experience pain when eating, your doctor may recommend a feeding tube to help you get nutrition.
• Pain medications. Pancreatitis can cause severe pain. Your health care team will give you medications to help control the pain.
• Intravenous (IV) fluids. As your body devotes energy and fluids to repairing your pancreas, you may become dehydrated. For this reason, you'll receive extra fluids through a vein in your arm during your hospital stay.

Once your pancreatitis is under control, your health care team can treat the underlying cause of your pancreatitis. Depending on the cause of your pancreatitis, treatment may include:

• Procedures to remove bile duct obstructions. Pancreatitis caused by a narrowed or blocked bile duct may require procedures to open or widen the bile duct.
• 
  A procedure called endoscopic retrograde cholangiopancreatography (ERCP) uses a long tube with a camera on the end to examine your pancreas and bile ducts. The tube is passed down your throat, and the camera sends pictures of your digestive system to a monitor.
  
  ERCP can aid in diagnosing problems in the bile duct and pancreatic duct and in making repairs. In some people, particularly the elderly, ERCP can also lead to acute pancreatitis.
  
• Gallbladder surgery. If gallstones caused your pancreatitis, your doctor may recommend surgery to remove your gallbladder (cholecystectomy).
• Pancreas surgery. Surgery may be necessary to drain fluid from your pancreas or to remove diseased tissue.
• Treatment for alcohol dependence. Drinking several drinks a day over many years can cause pancreatitis. If this is the cause of your pancreatitis, your doctor may recommend you enter a treatment program for alcohol addiction. Continuing to drink may worsen your pancreatitis and lead to serious complications.

Additional treatments for chronic pancreatitis

Depending on your situation, chronic pancreatitis may require additional treatments, including:

• Pain management. Chronic pancreatitis can cause persistent abdominal pain. Your doctor may recommend medications to control your pain and may refer you to a pain specialist.
  
  Severe pain may be relieved with options such as endoscopic ultrasound or surgery to block nerves that send pain signals from the pancreas to the brain.
• Enzymes to improve digestion. Pancreatic enzyme supplements can help your body break down and process the nutrients in the foods you eat. Pancreatic enzymes are taken with each meal.
• Changes to your diet. Your doctor may refer you to a dietitian who can help you plan low-fat meals that are high in nutrients.

From here.

 

[DonkeyDick]

Treatment
Initial treatments in the hospital may include:

• Fasting. You'll stop eating for a couple of days in the hospital in order to give your pancreas a chance to recover.
  
  Once the inflammation in your pancreas is controlled, you may begin drinking clear liquids and eating bland foods. With time, you can go back to your normal diet.
  
  If your pancreatitis persists and you still experience pain when eating, your doctor may recommend a feeding tube to help you get nutrition.
• Pain medications. Pancreatitis can cause severe pain. Your health care team will give you medications to help control the pain.
• Intravenous (IV) fluids. As your body devotes energy and fluids to repairing your pancreas, you may become dehydrated. For this reason, you'll receive extra fluids through a vein in your arm during your hospital stay.

Once your pancreatitis is under control, your health care team can treat the underlying cause of your pancreatitis. Depending on the cause of your pancreatitis, treatment may include:

• Procedures to remove bile duct obstructions. Pancreatitis caused by a narrowed or blocked bile duct may require procedures to open or widen the bile duct.
• 
  A procedure called endoscopic retrograde cholangiopancreatography (ERCP) uses a long tube with a camera on the end to examine your pancreas and bile ducts. The tube is passed down your throat, and the camera sends pictures of your digestive system to a monitor.
  
  ERCP can aid in diagnosing problems in the bile duct and pancreatic duct and in making repairs. In some people, particularly the elderly, ERCP can also lead to acute pancreatitis.
  
• Gallbladder surgery. If gallstones caused your pancreatitis, your doctor may recommend surgery to remove your gallbladder (cholecystectomy).
• Pancreas surgery. Surgery may be necessary to drain fluid from your pancreas or to remove diseased tissue.
• Treatment for alcohol dependence. Drinking several drinks a day over many years can cause pancreatitis. If this is the cause of your pancreatitis, your doctor may recommend you enter a treatment program for alcohol addiction. Continuing to drink may worsen your pancreatitis and lead to serious complications.

Additional treatments for chronic pancreatitis

Depending on your situation, chronic pancreatitis may require additional treatments, including:

• Pain management. Chronic pancreatitis can cause persistent abdominal pain. Your doctor may recommend medications to control your pain and may refer you to a pain specialist.
  
  Severe pain may be relieved with options such as endoscopic ultrasound or surgery to block nerves that send pain signals from the pancreas to the brain.
• Enzymes to improve digestion. Pancreatic enzyme supplements can help your body break down and process the nutrients in the foods you eat. Pancreatic enzymes are taken with each meal.
• Changes to your diet. Your doctor may refer you to a dietitian who can help you plan low-fat meals that are high in nutrients.

From here.

Ah, the Mayo clinic strikes again.
Thanks for the link, Shedmeister.
On their recommendations: my diet is nothing like it was three months ago. No oil/fat/red meat/salt/sugar... the list would be shorter if it included what I do eat.
While changes I have made are based on this as a provisional diagnosis, my specialist isn’t convinced it’s the whole picture.
Gall bladder - had that out already. Woke up six times during surgery. Leads me to the next bit on pain management.
I don’t have any. Well, not true. Now I have home made medicine in the form of these capsules. And boy, they work!
I deliberately haven’t linked anywhere to @SweetSue ’s thread on tapering off opiates with cannabis. This, because it still carries a stigma of shame.
My opiate disorder began about age six with hooking into laudanum based cough mixture. For years.
Fuckit. Taking one for the team looks like this, Lewy...

Opioid Tapering With Cannabis: A Regimen

See, you are doing all the right things. I would add one more: put some distance - your choice how much distance - between you and those who are actively discouraging you and offering temptation instead of support. It is perfectly OK to do whether they are acquaintances, friends, or especially...

www.420magazine.com

So, pain relief. It must be refreshing for ED doctors to have someone say ‘No! Please don’t give me opiates’.

 

[Carcass]

I just got caught up in here-sounds like it's going to be fun and
interesting, I'll hang out,if that's alright...

No! Please don’t give me opiates’.

That's what I have to tell them- My relationship with opiates ended many years ago,right after they almost killed me...well, I guess I almost killed me- they didn't jump down my throat on their own...

 

[DonkeyDick]

I just got caught up in here-sounds like it's going to be fun and
interesting, I'll hang out,if that's alright...

That's what I have to tell them- My relationship with opiates ended many years ago,right after they almost killed me...well, I guess I almost killed me- they didn't jump down my throat on their own...

Thank you for sharing that, Carcass.
I have nothing but respect for you, sir.
Feels like we’re making a start on something good here..

 

[Alafornia]

Ha! I’ve missed your wry, dry humour man I’m glad you’re feeling better.

Yep a crappy diagnosis from a crappy doctor. I do have half a mind (no! this sentence isn’t finished yet) to make a complaint to the health and disability commissioner.

With a diagnosis will come a plan for recovery. That’s the other reason I want one you look up pancreatitis on wiki or anywhere and try to find prognoses, recovery plans, pathways back to health. All you find is stats on mortality rates.
Not exactly 420% helpful.

The question now is: What is causing the pancreatitis? I hope you have answers soon. In the meantime Cannabis not only can help control the pain but the anti inflammatory effects should help as well. Drinking and smoking tobacco can worsen it. Antioxidants have been shown to help (selenium+beta-carotene+vitamins C+E+ methionine). Pancreatic enzymes, lower fat, and multiple small meals. PPI's (like omeprazole) can help. Octreotide can help. But finding the source, if possible, is needed as fixing that can fix everything.

I love the conversation here. I hope our governments can get their shit together. We are fortunate to be in CA.

 

[DonkeyDick]

The question now is

That is one, for sure. Another one is ‘what else is going on?’ Which seems to be why my guy is twiddling his thumbs.

Cannabis not only can help control the pain but the anti inflammatory effects should help

Pancreatic enzymes

..are part of a treatment plan if and when that type of pancreatitis is diagnosed.

PPI's (like omeprazole) can help. Octreotide

..all Greek to me, buddy. Greek is fine just keep me away from Omega.

I love the conversation here.

Thanks man!

I hope our governments can get their shit together. We are fortunate to be in CA.

We were on our starting blocks to emigrate to Canada and I got too sick.

 

[oopssteptinit]

Oh yeah, I'm gonna tag along on this, if that's ok... sounds like there is a lot of useful information out there that is not readily available to the average patient.

 

[DonkeyDick]

Oh yeah, I'm gonna tag along on this, if that's ok... sounds like there is a lot of useful information out there that is not readily available to the average patient.

Entre vous silly place. Haere mai and other words of welcome. Gidday Oops.
We have above average patience, I couldn’t agree more.

I can’t help thinking there is something missing here though.
Two pages in to a grow journal and no bud porn yet? We’ll get there.

 

[John Wick]

That is one, for sure. Another one is ‘what else is going on?’ Which seems to be why my guy is twiddling his thumbs.







..are part of a treatment plan if and when that type of pancreatitis is diagnosed.



..all Greek to me, buddy. Greek is fine just keep me away from Omega.



Thanks man!



We were on our starting blocks to emigrate to Canada and I got too sick.

Glad you decided on North America!
Once you get to Canada you can do like some Canadian's do and visit the USA for better health care.
Hang tight and relocate to a better life in every way.

 

[Alafornia]

10g->8.8g-0.7g=8.1g @20% THC
1/3c~85ml @85% efficiency

20% of 8.1g=1.62g THC total
1.62x0.85 (efficiency) =1.4g
1.4gx85ml=0.0165
=16.5mg/ml
=8.25mg/capsule

Thanks for coming, folks!
Bring on the meds...

Double D,
Help me out a little with making sure I understand the equation if you will.

I get everything past the first set (i think) but I don't understand 10g to 8.8g-0.7g in the first part. I'm just not sure what we're doing there or what our assumptions are.

 

[DonkeyDick]

Thanks for asking Al
Back up in the photos the dry weight was 10g, then 8.8g decarbed, then I took out the stalks too. I only crunched the numbers on the final weight I put in.
I think I know where the 0.3g drift in my calcs came in, too - a compounded error from early roundings. Happy just to establish a repeatable ball park for the purposes of personal use.
Cheers.

 

[Alafornia]

Thanks for asking Al
Back up in the photos the dry weight was 10g, then 8.8g decarbed, then I took out the stalks too. I only crunched the numbers on the final weight I put in.
I think I know where the 0.3g drift in my calcs came in, too - a compounded error from early roundings. Happy just to establish a repeatable ball park for the purposes of personal use.
Cheers.

Now it makes sense!!!

Now silly question:

Does the cannabinoid % increase with the decrease in weight from decarb or stay the same since there is now less water weight?

 

[DonkeyDick]

I have no doubt there are unmeasured chemical changes taking place. As I understand it the temperatures we decarboxylate then infuse at are designed to minimise degradation.
That said, the decarb changes acid forms of cannabinoids in to more bioavailable molecules - maybe this increases the cannabinoid content?
Useless answer I know but at least there is balance in the force.

 

[DonkeyDick]

musculoskeletal pain​

__________ __________ ​

I wonder whether terpene profiles affect medical usefulness, as well as cannabinoids.

It is known that different types of musculoskeletal pain relate to different tissues. What are the adjectives you use to describe your pain?

Muscle. Cramping, dull, aching.

Nerve root. Sharp, shooting.

Nerve. Sharp, bright, lightning like.

Sympathetic nerve. Burning, pressure like, stinging, aching.

Bone. Deep, nagging, dull.

Fracture, Sharp, severe, intolerable.

Vasculature. Throbbing, diffuse.
Ok, so the last two you want to think about a doctor before reaching for your stash. We’re not trying to replace medicine, but to augment it.

Maybe this research has been done? I haven’t found it. I want to know if there is a pattern in terpene profiles across different strains people are having success with? Especially for targeting discrete types of pain.
And if the work has been done already I’m still interested to follow up with each of you what works and why. This way we’ll (theoretically, anyway) get some results that - at an amateur level - are repeatable across the board.

With this in mind I am proposing a data harvest that will include information like:

Plant:
Strain (if known) ie. THC:CBD%ages

Known terpenes (by either test or taste)

Trichomes at harvest, milky vs amber

Whether slow dried and cured

HST: Whether plants forced into drought in 7th week of flower (known to increase terpene production)

Pain:
Type and/or location of pain

A way to grade pain felt on a scale between banging and bitching. (I struggle with this one, myself). This is supposed to be subjective.

Grading relief on similar, plus duration of relief

Medicine:
Form of ingestion: smoking, vaping herb, vaping extracts, dabbing, edibles, oils solvent or solventless, oral or per rectal delivery.

Frequency/quantity of dose.

Did you make your own extract, if so how?

What have I missed?

If anyone wants to help pursue this I will crunch the data. I’ll start by putting a questionnaire together - the shorter the better.

Thoughts?

(PS. Don’t worry there will be plant pics!)​