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Lady Vadalon
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That explains why I have/need to defoliate. I was wondering why people do it.
Lady Vadalon - Soil - Bubba White Shark - Grow 2 - February 2014
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SmokerJoe
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Really great advice natert I will give you some reps.
scottish
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Nice video v alot of the ladies have shot up and bit of an even canopy though might be worth being more strict with your ladies in future defols nervewracking at first but be strict once your there you should be able to see leaves the plant may need or not are you going too remove any stragglers as well? Very nice grow 
defols nervewracking at first but be strict once your there you should be able to see leaves the plant may need or not are you going too remove any stragglers as well? Very nice grow Renegade69
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Lady V.,
The one point missing in defol is you should start from the bottom and work your way up. Once that is done step back and identify which ones up top need to be removed. If it's covering potential bud sights I would say remove them.
The one point missing in defol is you should start from the bottom and work your way up. Once that is done step back and identify which ones up top need to be removed. If it's covering potential bud sights I would say remove them.
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Lady Vadalon
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Lady Vadalon
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Nice video v alot of the ladies have shot up and bit of an even canopy though might be worth being more strict with your ladies in future
I am going to look at other growers that are doing Scrogs to learn how to control them better. It is a bit over whelming to looks at
scottish
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I can only imagine lady v a massive grow with multiple strains I don't think I could cope I'm contemplating some let in my next grow looked at scrog and felt its too much work so I take my hat off to you for what you have achieved for first grow and only just learning these techniques I've been researching cannabis for 12years and still wouldn't have the balls to take on your crop sending some reps for all your achievements
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Lady Vadalon
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Hope everyone is well. I am going to be off line for a day or two :-(
CCOiler
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Hurry back Lady "V"
I love learning on this 420 site.
I love learning on this 420 site.
O.k. I do not want to sound like a bumpkin, but where do I start with the 21 day defoliation?I have been staring at ALL the leafs and I don't know what should come off and what should stay?
I Understand the ones shading other flowers for light. But, I do not quite grasp the concept of defoliation.
Thank you for the help
When I defoliate I remove the lower growth that will not produce anything except popcorn bud and any fan leaves that shade a bud site. You can remove all the lower fan leaves and leave only 4 fan leaves at each growing top. Leave the sugar leaves and small leaves coming from the bud sites on the plant. You can see how I defoliate in my KingJohnC 400 Watt LA Confidential Seed Cabinet Soil Indoor Grow Journal and my KingJohnC's and Labexperiment's Brainstorm Haze Grow Journal.
KingJohnC's 400 Watt LA Confidential Seed Cabinet Soil Indoor Grow Journal
KingJohnC's Brainstorm Haze Soil Indoor Grow Journal
SmokerJoe
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But king john do you think or know conclusively if defoliating causes a reduction in yield? I just move the leaves and tie them to the main stem so they are out of the way but still contributing
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Lady Vadalon
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I need to get photos up. One side has a lot of stretching and the other side looks normal to me. I feel bad about not being online.
I am hopping to be back to par soon, kind of funny really. I feel like I have abandoned my fellow online growers and have skipped class from good teachers.
I hope everyone is doing WELL, HAPPY and GREEN!!
PS. I will read the links
I am hopping to be back to par soon, kind of funny really. I feel like I have abandoned my fellow online growers and have skipped class from good teachers.
I hope everyone is doing WELL, HAPPY and GREEN!!
PS. I will read the links
I believe that if defoliation is used properly it can improve yield.
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Lady Vadalon
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Question about equipment. Yesterday just for the hell of it I blew smoke through my fan that is hooked up to my carbon filter. The smoke and smell came through. Does that mean my filter is bad?
natert96
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It's probably on its last leg. If your smell isn't explosive outside your room, just finish off your grow with it. Check your filter, mine I can switch the top and bottom to get a couple more months out of it
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Lady Vadalon
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This is going to sound like a cheese ball thing. What about going to home Depot and getting a charcoal filter and putting a couple round it?
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Lady Vadalon
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Has anyone tried an ionizera? Just wondering
natert96
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Grow stores carry oova gel, you just tie the container to a fan and it does the job in small spaces
SmokerJoe
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Ive been talking about getting ona gel for a month. I went on amazon and so many positive reviews. The only negative ones I could find were on the seller who shipped it and not the actual product itself which is what a review is supposed to review
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Lady Vadalon
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copy and past:
Dear Fellow Grower,
In today's issue...
Learn about why you should never use ONA products IN the actual grow area...
Learn about other tips to grow top-shelf buds including ways to improve their natural taste and smell!
This week's Trophy Pics feature amazing results from one of our readers, plus see the plants on YouTube...
Happy Growing!
Nebula Haze & Sirius Fourside (founders of ------------.com)
"The best advice I ever got was that knowledge is power and to keep reading."
~ David Bailey
PSA: Don't use ONA products to control smells IN the grow room
by Nebula Haze
A lot of cannabis growers are worried about the odor of flowering (budding) cannabis plants, and may be trying to avoid letting smells leak out of the grow room.
Many of you may have heard of "ONA Gel" or other ONA products. ONA gel is powerful stuff and works incredibly well at neutralizing smells in your living areas, but I wanted to warn you about one thing...
Never let ONA products share air with your flowering cannabis plants! ONA products do not have to physically touch your buds in order to have a permanent effect on their taste and/or smell.
If air which has been treated with ONA Gel comes in contact with your buds for a significant amount of time, the treated air will begin to permanently change the taste/smell of the buds (giving them a perfume-like smell and taste). This happens even if the ONA and cannabis buds never touch each other.
If ONA Gel is kept in your tent or grow room throughout the entire flowering stage, the effect can be overwhelming and buds may smell like ONA Gel or taste like perfume or chemicals after harvest.
This is because the ONA gel actually binds to smells instead of covering them up. Smells are permantly changed when they come in contact with ONA products. The perfume smell seems to actually become "attached" to your buds, and there's no way to get rid of it at that point, even after months of curing.
Don't use ONA products near your plants in the flowering stage unless you want buds that smell like perfume and taste like chemicals.
Febreeze too! Any type of "odor neutralizer" can have the same effect. Even if you never get any ON your plants, the buds can still be affected if they share the same air. Although ONA offers some of the strongest and most effective products on the market (and therefore ONA seems to have the greatest effect), you shouldn't be using any other odor neutralizers anywhere near your grow room either.
What Exactly Is ONA Gel?
The ONA formulations have been around for a long time - initial development began over 25 years ago. The scientist who is credited with inventing the first forms of ONA gel noticed that when terpenes were released into the air, strong smells were reduced.
More development created formulations that not only masked smells, but permanently removed them from the air.
"AiR8" is the term to describe ONA gel when it's used for industrial or commercial applications (for example to neutralize smells in sewer plants). The basic formulation is the same - AiR8 is used by big businesses, while ONA products are packaged and sold to individual consumers or small business who want to permanently remove smells.
According to Odorchem Manufacturing Corp., the people who make ONA: "This hydroscopic polymer has been saturated with a water-based formulation of active ingredients in order to slowly release into the air. AIR8 GEL is NOT a MASKING AGENT. It is a permanent solution for the treatment of numerous odors." Learn More About The Science Behind ONA (aka AiR8)
Here are the 3 mechanisms used by ONA products to get rid of odors:
Absorption: retains the smell through absorption
Adsorption: collects and holds on the smell
Chemical Reaction (The "Pairs" Theory) - This is probably the most problematic part of ONA products for cannabis growers. The chemical reaction caused by ONA gel involves the permanent bonding of the odorous molecule (VOC) and the ONA active ingredients. This mechanism transforms the original smell from what it was into something new. As a result, the original odor disappears, to be replaced with a new molecule that is meant to smell like ONA gel.
How Cannabis Growers Can Properly Use ONA Gel
If you're going to use ONA Gel to cover up smells that are being exhausted out a window, make sure the ONA gel is an actual part of the exhaust (air blows over ONA on the way out to neutralize the smells, so no ONA air ever comes in contact with your plants).
If you're worried about smells in the home, it is recommended you keep ONA products in your living areas (or otherwise outside the grow room). For example. ONA gel can be placed in your living room or hallways to make sure the smell of cannabis does not leak into your living areas.
The main idea is to prevent ONA products from ever sharing air with your buds.
There Are Better Ways to Cover Up Smells!
If you can afford it (and have room), I definitely recommend installing a carbon scrubber as part of your exhaust system to neutralize smells as the hot air escapes out your exhaust hole. With a carbon scrubber, there's zero worry about affecting the smell/taste of your buds.
Carbon scrubbers will pull scents out of the air, so exhaust air smells neutral, but carbon scrubbers don't permanently alter smells the way that ONA products can. A carbon scrubber also lasts a lot longer than a single package of ONA gel.
As long as you make sure there's enough suction in the tent from the exhaust fan (tent should be bowing inwards slightly), no smelly air will be able to escape. It won't just protect the air coming from your exhaust, if set up properly it will also prevent smelly air from leaking out of the grow room into your living areas.
For example, with the carbon filter and negative air pressure set up in my grow tent, I can't even smell the flowering plants in my grow room until I actually open up the tent.
Learn More About Carbon scrubbers
How to Make an Effective Exhuast System
Conclusion: ONA for living spaces only!
A few readers have written in who unfortunately used ONA gel in their tents during their cannabis plant's flowering stage, and they had to find out the hard way that it changes the smell and taste of their buds...
Hopefully this Public Service Announcement will prevent that from happening to you!
Dear Fellow Grower,
In today's issue...
Learn about why you should never use ONA products IN the actual grow area...
Learn about other tips to grow top-shelf buds including ways to improve their natural taste and smell!
This week's Trophy Pics feature amazing results from one of our readers, plus see the plants on YouTube...
Happy Growing!
Nebula Haze & Sirius Fourside (founders of ------------.com)
"The best advice I ever got was that knowledge is power and to keep reading."
~ David Bailey
PSA: Don't use ONA products to control smells IN the grow room
by Nebula Haze
A lot of cannabis growers are worried about the odor of flowering (budding) cannabis plants, and may be trying to avoid letting smells leak out of the grow room.
Many of you may have heard of "ONA Gel" or other ONA products. ONA gel is powerful stuff and works incredibly well at neutralizing smells in your living areas, but I wanted to warn you about one thing...
Never let ONA products share air with your flowering cannabis plants! ONA products do not have to physically touch your buds in order to have a permanent effect on their taste and/or smell.
If air which has been treated with ONA Gel comes in contact with your buds for a significant amount of time, the treated air will begin to permanently change the taste/smell of the buds (giving them a perfume-like smell and taste). This happens even if the ONA and cannabis buds never touch each other.
If ONA Gel is kept in your tent or grow room throughout the entire flowering stage, the effect can be overwhelming and buds may smell like ONA Gel or taste like perfume or chemicals after harvest.
This is because the ONA gel actually binds to smells instead of covering them up. Smells are permantly changed when they come in contact with ONA products. The perfume smell seems to actually become "attached" to your buds, and there's no way to get rid of it at that point, even after months of curing.
Don't use ONA products near your plants in the flowering stage unless you want buds that smell like perfume and taste like chemicals.
Febreeze too! Any type of "odor neutralizer" can have the same effect. Even if you never get any ON your plants, the buds can still be affected if they share the same air. Although ONA offers some of the strongest and most effective products on the market (and therefore ONA seems to have the greatest effect), you shouldn't be using any other odor neutralizers anywhere near your grow room either.
What Exactly Is ONA Gel?
The ONA formulations have been around for a long time - initial development began over 25 years ago. The scientist who is credited with inventing the first forms of ONA gel noticed that when terpenes were released into the air, strong smells were reduced.
More development created formulations that not only masked smells, but permanently removed them from the air.
"AiR8" is the term to describe ONA gel when it's used for industrial or commercial applications (for example to neutralize smells in sewer plants). The basic formulation is the same - AiR8 is used by big businesses, while ONA products are packaged and sold to individual consumers or small business who want to permanently remove smells.
According to Odorchem Manufacturing Corp., the people who make ONA: "This hydroscopic polymer has been saturated with a water-based formulation of active ingredients in order to slowly release into the air. AIR8 GEL is NOT a MASKING AGENT. It is a permanent solution for the treatment of numerous odors." Learn More About The Science Behind ONA (aka AiR8)
Here are the 3 mechanisms used by ONA products to get rid of odors:
Absorption: retains the smell through absorption
Adsorption: collects and holds on the smell
Chemical Reaction (The "Pairs" Theory) - This is probably the most problematic part of ONA products for cannabis growers. The chemical reaction caused by ONA gel involves the permanent bonding of the odorous molecule (VOC) and the ONA active ingredients. This mechanism transforms the original smell from what it was into something new. As a result, the original odor disappears, to be replaced with a new molecule that is meant to smell like ONA gel.
How Cannabis Growers Can Properly Use ONA Gel
If you're going to use ONA Gel to cover up smells that are being exhausted out a window, make sure the ONA gel is an actual part of the exhaust (air blows over ONA on the way out to neutralize the smells, so no ONA air ever comes in contact with your plants).
If you're worried about smells in the home, it is recommended you keep ONA products in your living areas (or otherwise outside the grow room). For example. ONA gel can be placed in your living room or hallways to make sure the smell of cannabis does not leak into your living areas.
The main idea is to prevent ONA products from ever sharing air with your buds.
There Are Better Ways to Cover Up Smells!
If you can afford it (and have room), I definitely recommend installing a carbon scrubber as part of your exhaust system to neutralize smells as the hot air escapes out your exhaust hole. With a carbon scrubber, there's zero worry about affecting the smell/taste of your buds.
Carbon scrubbers will pull scents out of the air, so exhaust air smells neutral, but carbon scrubbers don't permanently alter smells the way that ONA products can. A carbon scrubber also lasts a lot longer than a single package of ONA gel.
As long as you make sure there's enough suction in the tent from the exhaust fan (tent should be bowing inwards slightly), no smelly air will be able to escape. It won't just protect the air coming from your exhaust, if set up properly it will also prevent smelly air from leaking out of the grow room into your living areas.
For example, with the carbon filter and negative air pressure set up in my grow tent, I can't even smell the flowering plants in my grow room until I actually open up the tent.
Learn More About Carbon scrubbers
How to Make an Effective Exhuast System
Conclusion: ONA for living spaces only!
A few readers have written in who unfortunately used ONA gel in their tents during their cannabis plant's flowering stage, and they had to find out the hard way that it changes the smell and taste of their buds...
Hopefully this Public Service Announcement will prevent that from happening to you!
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