MGD420 First Grow: Autos

[MGD420]

Yeah a little but they're cuts off bonsai mothers I have in my little veg cabinet so I can always get another one going whenever there's space in the flower tent.

I might give cloning a try on my next grow as it will be photoperiods. I did put a couple of cuttings from the autos into a pot noodle pot just for the sake of it to see what happens. I know with auto's clones start their life cycle at the same age as the mother plant they were cut from and probably won't yield much if anything. Its been about 3 or 4 days and they haven't died yet

 

[bluter]

if the humidity stays off the rails look in to getting some dry bags.
they are used in the livestock industry to pull moisture out of the air in barns etc. they can help the de-hum out.

i always found it easier to grow in low ambient rh compared to high rh. i dunno how you guys keep the bud rot down.

where are you moving your exhaust air to ? if you can dump it outside of the house. leaving it to exhaust internally will create larger issues moving forward with humidity mold etc.

auto clones don't reveg and are genetically at the same age of development as the moms.

 

[MGD420]

if the humidity stays off the rails look in to getting some dry bags.
they are used in the livestock industry to pull moisture out of the air in barns etc. they can held the de-hum out.

i always found it easier to grow in low ambient rh compared to high rh. i dunno how you guys keep the bud rot down.

where are you moving your exhaust air to ? if you can dump it outside of the house. leaving it to exhaust internally will create larger issues moving forward with humidity mold etc.

auto clones don't reveg and are genetically at the same age of development as the moms.

Thanks for that bluter, I'll have a look online and see if I can source some dry bags.
Do they sell them on amazon and places like that or is it more specialised ?

The exhaust is currently blowing the air from the tent into the cupboard but I'm considering cutting 2 holes into the cupboard ceiling to fit both the exhaust and intake so that the air is being expelled from the tent into the loft and cold fresh air is also being pulled back into the tent from the loft above the cupboard.

Yea I understand the clones from autos are at the same age as the mother plant. I planted the cutting more just to see if it would take root, more of an experiment and so not expecting anything from it.

 

[MGD420]

Thanks for that bluter, I'll have a look online and see if I can source some dry bags.
Do they sell them on amazon and places like that or is it more specialised ?

The exhaust is currently blowing the air from the tent into the cupboard but I'm considering cutting 2 holes into the cupboard ceiling to fit both the exhaust and intake so that the air is being expelled from the tent into the loft and cold fresh air is also being pulled back into the tent from the loft above the cupboard.

Yea I understand the clones from autos are at the same age as the mother plant. I planted the cutting more just to see if it would take root, more of an experiment and so not expecting anything from it.

@bluter

Something like this ?

Dry bags - amazon

I bought 10 of these Dehumidifier pots but they don't seem to be doing much if anything.
Humidity is still high.

 

[bluter]

Thanks for that bluter, I'll have a look online and see if I can source some dry bags.
Do they sell them on amazon and places like that or is it more specialised ?

livestock and farm supply places have them. they are usually cheaper that way due to shipping. there is a lot of agriculture where i live, so they are no so hard to source. may be harder to find if you are locked in an urban setting.

The exhaust is currently blowing the air from the tent into the cupboard but I'm considering cutting 2 holes into the cupboard ceiling to fit both the exhaust and intake so that the air is being expelled from the tent into the loft and cold fresh air is also being pulled back into the tent from the loft above the cupboard.

cupboard ? yikes ! far less than ideal for flower. you can get away with internal exhaust in veg stage to an extent. anything in flower is going to be an issue fast.

you might wanna give us a rundown of how your space is set up

don't worry about pulling air in for now. there's going to be more than plenty available passively

you are going to want to solve for that. dumping exhausted air anywhere other than outside, only moves the issue to another zone, with potential for creating a much larger and more expensive issue down the road. dumping it into the loft is a recipe for black mold everywhere with your ambient rh. also if you are in row housing your neighbours are gonna know exactly what you're up to.

 

[bluter]

the products you posted are similar tech in a much smaller format.
the dry bags i've used are the size of cement bags lol

 

[bluter]

you're gonna solve a lot of issues with an external exhaust.
that alone will pull your ambient rh down as much as 10% or more.

edit: also increases your stealth factor immensely when combined with a carbon scrubber. only way to go in the uk if you enjoy a non barred window view.

 

[MGD420]

you're gonna solve a lot of issues with an external exhaust.
that alone will pull your ambient rh down as much as 10% or more.

edit: also increases your stealth factor immensely when combined with a carbon scrubber. only way to go in the uk if enjoy a non barred window view.

I have the 6" ac infinity cloudline T6 inline fan that's used in combination with an 8" rhino pro carbon filter for exhausting.
The 4" ac infinity cloudline S4 inline fan is for pulling air back into the tent.

As far as smell goes shouldn't the carbon filter fix that issue after its been scrubbed through the filter inside the tent ?

This is the area I was thinking of exhausting and pulling cold air from

 

[MGD420]

the products you posted are similar tech in a much smaller format.
the dry bags i've used are the size of cement bags lol

There's no way I'll manage to fit something the size of a cement bag in the tent lol there's next to no room left in the tent now. If I was able to fit something the size of a cement bag in the tent I could get a decent dehumidifier to put in the tent but space is the issue.

 

[MGD420]

livestock and farm supply places have them. they are usually cheaper that way due to shipping. there is a lot of agriculture where i live, so they are no so hard to source. may be harder to find if you are locked in an urban setting.




cupboard ? yikes ! far less than ideal for flower. you can get away with internal exhaust in veg stage to an extent. anything in flower is going to be an issue fast.

you might wanna give us a rundown of how your space is set up

don't worry about pulling air in for now. there's going to be more than plenty available passively

you are going to want to solve for that. dumping exhausted air anywhere other than outside, only moves the issue to another zone, with potential for creating a much larger and more expensive issue down the road. dumping it into the loft is a recipe for black mold everywhere with your ambient rh. also if you are in row housing your neighbours are gonna know exactly what you're up to.

There will be agricultural places near me as I'm out in the sticks, surrounded by farms but as far as livestock and farming suppliers go I could say where the nearest place would be.

Yea the cupboard isn't much bigger than the 2x4 tent itself. I put the tent in the cupboard so it would be stealthy and out of sight when the cupboard doors were closed.

The space itself is a 2x4 tent placed inside a 2x4.5 cupboard.
I have a 6 inch fan with 8 inch carbon filter scrubbing the air inside the tent and exhausting the air into the cupboard at the moment. Ideally I want to exhaust the air from the tent up into the loft above the house and also pull cold air from the loft back into the tent. The loft has its own ventilation system designed to ventilate air around the house and pull air into the loft.

You can see part of the ducting for the ventilation system up in my attic/loft in the pic I posted, I haven't looked at the system to see where it vents to or been up the loft yet so not entirely sure how it's set up

 

[bluter]

don't dump air in to that space.
i know it's been done before and is being done now by loads of so so growers. it's a total shit idea.
that is exactly the scenario i am warning against.

if you are in row housing you will get caught. just google it.
it's a famous internet meme seen millions of times.

do it right. do it once. dump to outside with a proper vent.

the scrubbers are designed with external exhaust in mind. you aren't just moving air and odour, you are moving piles and piles of water. warm water at that. both the water and odour will build in there if you dump in to that space. that's how folk wind up under the care of her majesty's correctional service.


all it needs is a vent and gentle external air exchange to make right.

 

[bluter]

oops : forgot to add you can tie in to the existing ducts. it's not hard.
if you have to you can diy a vent that is not hacked in.

i've had to put a few in over the years. a lot of the european stuff is cleaner looking than what i have here too lol

 

[MGD420]

don't dump air in to that space.
i know it't been done before and is being done now by loads of so so growers. it's a total shit idea.
that is exactly the scenario i am warning against.

if you are in row housing you will get caught. just google it.
it's a famous internet meme seen millions of times.

do it right. do it once. dump to outside with a proper vent.

the scrubbers are designed with external exhaust in mind. you aren't just moving air and odour, you are moving piles and piles of water. warm water at that. both the water and odour will build in there if you dump in to that space. that's how folk wind up under the care of her majesty's correctional service.


all it needs is a vent and gentle external air exchange to make right.

I get what your saying but unless I'm paying a contractor to put a vent in the wall so I can vent outside it's not a viable option, there is nowhere else I can vent to other than the cupboard the tent is in or the loft above the cupboard and I'm guessing the fact that I'm venting into the cupboard isn't going to help my situation where humidity is concerned.

 

[bluter]

a vent isn't hard. i'd consider getting handy.
there's loads of really not hard ways to do stuff well. you can do it.


have a look at your existing hvac first. that collapsible ducting in the pic has to go somewhere.
it doesn't have to be complicated.

once you hit flower you'll know what i am talking about. it's just best to deal with it ahead of time.

 

[MGD420]

a vent isn't hard. i'd consider getting handy.
there's loads of really not hard ways to do stuff well. you can do it.


have a look at your existing hvac first. that collapsible ducting in the pic has to go somewhere.
it doesn't have to be complicated.

once you hit flower you'll know what i am talking about. it's just best to deal with it ahead of time.

I was thinking the same with the venting system in the loft, it must go somewhere but I'm not sure if it vwnts outside or just recirculated the air around the house.

I'm handy when it comes to DIY but other than using a diamond drill or something similar and drilling through the cavity and brick wall to fit a vent to outside. Only other place in the house that has a vent to outside is the kitchen and I can't have ducting there then there's possibly the flume that goes from the boiler and vents outside but again I'm not 100% sure I would need to actually go into the loft to see

 

[bluter]

to be certain in veg you can get away with it under the right circumstances.

i scrub and recirculate at my veg space. but i'm doing it in to a large volume. i could not get away with that in flower, and have a separate flower space with external exhaust.

 

[bluter]

where is your space located ? on an upper / middle / basement level ?

i'm not as familiar with your external furnace ducting, there are ways to t in to it here i know of. all the stuff is at any popular hardware chain.

a popular choice is to use clothing dryer ducting, or tie in to the existing dryer ducting.
if you have kitchen exhaust to external you can tie in to that as well. pretty much any hvac going through the roof or the side of a wall will work.

 

[bluter]

actually the diy on that collapsible duct would probably be an upgrade for it's intended use as well lol

 

[MGD420]

to be certain in veg you can get away with it under the right circumstances.

i scrub and recirculate at my veg space. but i'm doing it in to a large volume. i could not get away with that in flower, and have a separate flower space with external exhaust.

I tried recirculating the scrubbed air back into the tent that lasted half a day as the humidity was rising in the tent so popped the ducting back into the cupboard. Again just trying to see what would work best for my setup.

 

[MGD420]

actually the diy on that collapsible duct would probably be an upgrade for it's intended use as well lol

I haven't had a proper look at the ducting and ventilation system up in the loft but I'm sure there is something similar to an inline fan attached to the system that pulls air through it next to the loft hatch, almost directly above the room the tent is in.