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Lady Vadalon
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Hope everyone is well. I am going to be off line for a day or two :-(
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Looking good Lady "V" see you when you get back.
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i wish you have fun.
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Dear Fellow Grower,
In today's issue...
Learn about why you should never use ONA products IN the actual grow area...
Learn about other tips to grow top-shelf buds including ways to improve their natural taste and smell!
This week's Trophy Pics feature amazing results from one of our readers, plus see the plants on YouTube...
Happy Growing!
Nebula Haze & Sirius Fourside (founders of ------------.com)
"The best advice I ever got was that knowledge is power and to keep reading."
~ David Bailey
PSA: Don't use ONA products to control smells IN the grow room
by Nebula Haze
A lot of cannabis growers are worried about the odor of flowering (budding) cannabis plants, and may be trying to avoid letting smells leak out of the grow room.
Many of you may have heard of "ONA Gel" or other ONA products. ONA gel is powerful stuff and works incredibly well at neutralizing smells in your living areas, but I wanted to warn you about one thing...
Never let ONA products share air with your flowering cannabis plants! ONA products do not have to physically touch your buds in order to have a permanent effect on their taste and/or smell.
If air which has been treated with ONA Gel comes in contact with your buds for a significant amount of time, the treated air will begin to permanently change the taste/smell of the buds (giving them a perfume-like smell and taste). This happens even if the ONA and cannabis buds never touch each other.
If ONA Gel is kept in your tent or grow room throughout the entire flowering stage, the effect can be overwhelming and buds may smell like ONA Gel or taste like perfume or chemicals after harvest.
This is because the ONA gel actually binds to smells instead of covering them up. Smells are permantly changed when they come in contact with ONA products. The perfume smell seems to actually become "attached" to your buds, and there's no way to get rid of it at that point, even after months of curing.
Don't use ONA products near your plants in the flowering stage unless you want buds that smell like perfume and taste like chemicals.
Febreeze too! Any type of "odor neutralizer" can have the same effect. Even if you never get any ON your plants, the buds can still be affected if they share the same air. Although ONA offers some of the strongest and most effective products on the market (and therefore ONA seems to have the greatest effect), you shouldn't be using any other odor neutralizers anywhere near your grow room either.
What Exactly Is ONA Gel?
The ONA formulations have been around for a long time - initial development began over 25 years ago. The scientist who is credited with inventing the first forms of ONA gel noticed that when terpenes were released into the air, strong smells were reduced.
More development created formulations that not only masked smells, but permanently removed them from the air.
"AiR8" is the term to describe ONA gel when it's used for industrial or commercial applications (for example to neutralize smells in sewer plants). The basic formulation is the same - AiR8 is used by big businesses, while ONA products are packaged and sold to individual consumers or small business who want to permanently remove smells.
According to Odorchem Manufacturing Corp., the people who make ONA: "This hydroscopic polymer has been saturated with a water-based formulation of active ingredients in order to slowly release into the air. AIR8 GEL is NOT a MASKING AGENT. It is a permanent solution for the treatment of numerous odors." Learn More About The Science Behind ONA (aka AiR8)
Here are the 3 mechanisms used by ONA products to get rid of odors:
Absorption: retains the smell through absorption
Adsorption: collects and holds on the smell
Chemical Reaction (The "Pairs" Theory) - This is probably the most problematic part of ONA products for cannabis growers. The chemical reaction caused by ONA gel involves the permanent bonding of the odorous molecule (VOC) and the ONA active ingredients. This mechanism transforms the original smell from what it was into something new. As a result, the original odor disappears, to be replaced with a new molecule that is meant to smell like ONA gel.
How Cannabis Growers Can Properly Use ONA Gel
If you're going to use ONA Gel to cover up smells that are being exhausted out a window, make sure the ONA gel is an actual part of the exhaust (air blows over ONA on the way out to neutralize the smells, so no ONA air ever comes in contact with your plants).
If you're worried about smells in the home, it is recommended you keep ONA products in your living areas (or otherwise outside the grow room). For example. ONA gel can be placed in your living room or hallways to make sure the smell of cannabis does not leak into your living areas.
The main idea is to prevent ONA products from ever sharing air with your buds.
There Are Better Ways to Cover Up Smells!
If you can afford it (and have room), I definitely recommend installing a carbon scrubber as part of your exhaust system to neutralize smells as the hot air escapes out your exhaust hole. With a carbon scrubber, there's zero worry about affecting the smell/taste of your buds.
Carbon scrubbers will pull scents out of the air, so exhaust air smells neutral, but carbon scrubbers don't permanently alter smells the way that ONA products can. A carbon scrubber also lasts a lot longer than a single package of ONA gel.
As long as you make sure there's enough suction in the tent from the exhaust fan (tent should be bowing inwards slightly), no smelly air will be able to escape. It won't just protect the air coming from your exhaust, if set up properly it will also prevent smelly air from leaking out of the grow room into your living areas.
For example, with the carbon filter and negative air pressure set up in my grow tent, I can't even smell the flowering plants in my grow room until I actually open up the tent.
Learn More About Carbon scrubbers
How to Make an Effective Exhuast System
Conclusion: ONA for living spaces only!
A few readers have written in who unfortunately used ONA gel in their tents during their cannabis plant's flowering stage, and they had to find out the hard way that it changes the smell and taste of their buds...
Hopefully this Public Service Announcement will prevent that from happening to you!
Dear Fellow Grower,
In today's issue...
Learn about why you should never use ONA products IN the actual grow area...
Learn about other tips to grow top-shelf buds including ways to improve their natural taste and smell!
This week's Trophy Pics feature amazing results from one of our readers, plus see the plants on YouTube...
Happy Growing!
Nebula Haze & Sirius Fourside (founders of ------------.com)
"The best advice I ever got was that knowledge is power and to keep reading."
~ David Bailey
PSA: Don't use ONA products to control smells IN the grow room
by Nebula Haze
A lot of cannabis growers are worried about the odor of flowering (budding) cannabis plants, and may be trying to avoid letting smells leak out of the grow room.
Many of you may have heard of "ONA Gel" or other ONA products. ONA gel is powerful stuff and works incredibly well at neutralizing smells in your living areas, but I wanted to warn you about one thing...
Never let ONA products share air with your flowering cannabis plants! ONA products do not have to physically touch your buds in order to have a permanent effect on their taste and/or smell.
If air which has been treated with ONA Gel comes in contact with your buds for a significant amount of time, the treated air will begin to permanently change the taste/smell of the buds (giving them a perfume-like smell and taste). This happens even if the ONA and cannabis buds never touch each other.
If ONA Gel is kept in your tent or grow room throughout the entire flowering stage, the effect can be overwhelming and buds may smell like ONA Gel or taste like perfume or chemicals after harvest.
This is because the ONA gel actually binds to smells instead of covering them up. Smells are permantly changed when they come in contact with ONA products. The perfume smell seems to actually become "attached" to your buds, and there's no way to get rid of it at that point, even after months of curing.
Don't use ONA products near your plants in the flowering stage unless you want buds that smell like perfume and taste like chemicals.
Febreeze too! Any type of "odor neutralizer" can have the same effect. Even if you never get any ON your plants, the buds can still be affected if they share the same air. Although ONA offers some of the strongest and most effective products on the market (and therefore ONA seems to have the greatest effect), you shouldn't be using any other odor neutralizers anywhere near your grow room either.
What Exactly Is ONA Gel?
The ONA formulations have been around for a long time - initial development began over 25 years ago. The scientist who is credited with inventing the first forms of ONA gel noticed that when terpenes were released into the air, strong smells were reduced.
More development created formulations that not only masked smells, but permanently removed them from the air.
"AiR8" is the term to describe ONA gel when it's used for industrial or commercial applications (for example to neutralize smells in sewer plants). The basic formulation is the same - AiR8 is used by big businesses, while ONA products are packaged and sold to individual consumers or small business who want to permanently remove smells.
According to Odorchem Manufacturing Corp., the people who make ONA: "This hydroscopic polymer has been saturated with a water-based formulation of active ingredients in order to slowly release into the air. AIR8 GEL is NOT a MASKING AGENT. It is a permanent solution for the treatment of numerous odors." Learn More About The Science Behind ONA (aka AiR8)
Here are the 3 mechanisms used by ONA products to get rid of odors:
Absorption: retains the smell through absorption
Adsorption: collects and holds on the smell
Chemical Reaction (The "Pairs" Theory) - This is probably the most problematic part of ONA products for cannabis growers. The chemical reaction caused by ONA gel involves the permanent bonding of the odorous molecule (VOC) and the ONA active ingredients. This mechanism transforms the original smell from what it was into something new. As a result, the original odor disappears, to be replaced with a new molecule that is meant to smell like ONA gel.
How Cannabis Growers Can Properly Use ONA Gel
If you're going to use ONA Gel to cover up smells that are being exhausted out a window, make sure the ONA gel is an actual part of the exhaust (air blows over ONA on the way out to neutralize the smells, so no ONA air ever comes in contact with your plants).
If you're worried about smells in the home, it is recommended you keep ONA products in your living areas (or otherwise outside the grow room). For example. ONA gel can be placed in your living room or hallways to make sure the smell of cannabis does not leak into your living areas.
The main idea is to prevent ONA products from ever sharing air with your buds.
There Are Better Ways to Cover Up Smells!
If you can afford it (and have room), I definitely recommend installing a carbon scrubber as part of your exhaust system to neutralize smells as the hot air escapes out your exhaust hole. With a carbon scrubber, there's zero worry about affecting the smell/taste of your buds.
Carbon scrubbers will pull scents out of the air, so exhaust air smells neutral, but carbon scrubbers don't permanently alter smells the way that ONA products can. A carbon scrubber also lasts a lot longer than a single package of ONA gel.
As long as you make sure there's enough suction in the tent from the exhaust fan (tent should be bowing inwards slightly), no smelly air will be able to escape. It won't just protect the air coming from your exhaust, if set up properly it will also prevent smelly air from leaking out of the grow room into your living areas.
For example, with the carbon filter and negative air pressure set up in my grow tent, I can't even smell the flowering plants in my grow room until I actually open up the tent.
Learn More About Carbon scrubbers
How to Make an Effective Exhuast System
Conclusion: ONA for living spaces only!
A few readers have written in who unfortunately used ONA gel in their tents during their cannabis plant's flowering stage, and they had to find out the hard way that it changes the smell and taste of their buds...
Hopefully this Public Service Announcement will prevent that from happening to you!
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Lady Vadalon
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I was hoping that I would not get into trouble for posting outside information. But I thought that it was important and good to know for every one 
hope every one is having a good day. It is still difficult for me to be online. I MISS everyone
hope every one is having a good day. It is still difficult for me to be online. I MISS everyone BigIrishDoode
Fallen Cannabis Warrior
good info! i have a big bucket of ona i dont use often but i was setting it in the exhaust guess that was good lol
hope all is well, and happy mom day!!
hope all is well, and happy mom day!!
Renegade69
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Just poppin in Lady V.,
I see you've been out lately. Illness?
I see you've been out lately. Illness?
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Lady Vadalon
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I have been experiencing a growing issue with what do I do ????? Not to long ago I had received a letter in the mail stating that we were being put onto a month to month rental agreement and our yearly agreement is now void. I had told my husband the house is going up for sale. Yep, just got the letter stating that the real-estate agent wants full access to our unit with a 24 hour notice in advance. I am not doing anything wrong and I am legal to grow but the rental company does not know that I have a card. My cortisol is through the roof and I think that my frontal lob is shutting down. So, now I feel like I am stuck on stupid.
Monday I am donating 4 of the Swiss Cheese and keeping two. For now this journal is going to stay in journal 2. I had that funny gut feeling and that little voice says "Don't do it yet." I . I am not scrapping anything just rethinking things.
Monday I am donating 4 of the Swiss Cheese and keeping two. For now this journal is going to stay in journal 2. I had that funny gut feeling and that little voice says "Don't do it yet." I . I am not scrapping anything just rethinking things.
BigIrishDoode
Fallen Cannabis Warrior
ok then, these things happen thats why we got to where we own,took time but no unwanted visitors is a comfort all of its own, glad you checked in i was wondering what happened,now i know, what ever you do we will be here to observe and cheer you on! hope all is going well in the grow rokk on
Best vibes of less stress sent your way LadyV. Its something I have to deal with on a regular basis renting. At least your legal
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Lady Vadalon
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Thank you EVERYONE 
I get online and found out that I have my filter set up backwards!! So, I feel a bit like a bumpkin about that part of things. I did not realize that it is to suck through the can and blow out. I have it sucking from the top and blowing into the can on the bottom. Moister up high clogging filter down low I will be changing that today!!! and taking a pice of every suggestion and applying it to different parts of the house. Aromatherapy on the landing , ona in the laundry room then doing and external carbon can in the garage then tell the rental agency that I am a cardholder/ grower.
What I am hopping when they walk in my house--- they won't smell anything but see a clean house and not place me in the scum category because I am a card holder/ grower.
Anyone new reading this don't make this mistake ---- make sure your carbon filter can is stet up ----Suck through the can and blow out
I might as well log this mess up as well
That is what the journal is for
I get online and found out that I have my filter set up backwards!! So, I feel a bit like a bumpkin about that part of things. I did not realize that it is to suck through the can and blow out. I have it sucking from the top and blowing into the can on the bottom. Moister up high clogging filter down low I will be changing that today!!! and taking a pice of every suggestion and applying it to different parts of the house. Aromatherapy on the landing , ona in the laundry room then doing and external carbon can in the garage then tell the rental agency that I am a cardholder/ grower.
What I am hopping when they walk in my house--- they won't smell anything but see a clean house and not place me in the scum category because I am a card holder/ grower.
Anyone new reading this don't make this mistake ---- make sure your carbon filter can is stet up ----Suck through the can and blow out
I might as well log this mess up as well
That is what the journal is for BigIrishDoode
Fallen Cannabis Warrior
yup i almost set my first one up like that then i stopped and looked it up, glad i did, now i use a neg ion/o3 alpine air type box air purifier works better than 2 scrubbers did i never smell the girls anymore actually have not thought about odor since i got the thing, till today, it cost about as much as a good carbon scrubber got it on the online rainforrest site 
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Lady Vadalon
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If, we were not having to move I would get one. I have been reading about them and one would be a good investment.
I keep saying that I need to have my own "want to be" underground grow show for cheap amusements. Anyway I hope that everyone is well.
I keep saying that I need to have my own "want to be" underground grow show for cheap amusements. Anyway I hope that everyone is well.
Renegade69
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Thank you EVERYONE
I get online and found out that I have my filter set up backwards!! So, I feel a bit like a bumpkin about that part of things. I did not realize that it is to suck through the can and blow out. I have it sucking from the top and blowing into the can on the bottom. Moister up high clogging filter down low I will be changing that today!!! and taking a pice of every suggestion and applying it to different parts of the house. Aromatherapy on the landing , ona in the laundry room then doing and external carbon can in the garage then tell the rental agency that I am a cardholder/ grower.
What I am hopping when they walk in my house--- they won't smell anything but see a clean house and not place me in the scum category because I am a card holder/ grower.
Anyone new reading this don't make this mistake ---- make sure your carbon filter can is stet up ----Suck through the can and blow out
I might as well log this mess up as well
Luckily mine came with a big aero saying this way dummy. I still plugged it in before installing it to confirm.
Renegade69
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If, we were not having to move I would get one. I have been reading about them and one would be a good investment.
I keep saying that I need to have my own "want to be" underground grow show for cheap amusements. Anyway I hope that everyone is well.
All is well on our end. Just stopping by. I liked that Bio thingy I googled the other day. I would get one for a bigger grow or if I get a strain that is smelly. The cost is within my budget too.
TrysHard
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Sorry for your stress Lady. Hope everything works out, I could be in the same boat with no notice so I feel for ya.
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Lady Vadalon
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Hope everyone is well, safe and GREEN I am only keeping two of the swiss cheese and donate the other 4 and they are going to stay in the second grow tent for now until I know for sure what is going to happen. I had decided to put the other two tents on wheels to make them portable so all I have to do is pick up my skirts and boogie on down the road with out disturbing my plants to much. I figured that was more important than a 3 home for the Cheese. That way all I have to do is rent an enclosed vehicle or trailer and role them away. That is my plan for now. I still feel a bit sick over the situation but I am just going to ride it out and see what happens. Well, off on a water run and a nice drive out of town for the day.
BigIrishDoode
Fallen Cannabis Warrior
sound like a quality plan
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