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Grandpa Gets Oily! Everclear Extracts For Shatter Or Oil!

Van Stank

Member of the Month: Nov 2017 - Plant of the Month: June 2018, November 2018

Rider509

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First run. Started with 9.5ozs of MTPC and MTTS, about half and half. Used just a bit over 1/2 gallon of EtOH then did a vacuum evap with about 85% EtOH recovery. It's still a bit soupy due to being warm. Only 6 pounds to go! o_O

 
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Grandpa Tokin

Member of the Month: Apr 2018
First run. Started with 9.5ozs of MTPC and MTTS, about half and half. Used just a bit over 1/2 gallon of EtOH then did a vacuum evap with about 85% EtOH recovery. It's still a bit soupy due to being warm. Only 6 pounds to go! o_O
“This is crazy.” LOL! Yes, yes it is, but like shed said, “noble cause.” Looks awesome Rider! Unreal man.
 

Guy Cavallero

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Grandpa, wicked tutorial!!!
......quick question as I get caught up here....... Do you know what the cost difference is between using butane and Everclear? I've never done my own batch of shatter but one of my very good friends does it on a biweekly basis. He uses a back Purge once he gets to his final step (pre storage), do you not need a back Purge when you use Everclear in order to remove the remaining unwanted components?
 
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Grandpa Tokin

Member of the Month: Apr 2018
Grandpa, wicked tutorial!!!
......quick question as I get caught up here....... Do you know what the cost difference is between using butane and Everclear? I've never done my own batch of shatter but one of my very good friends does it on a biweekly basis. He uses a back Purge once he gets to his final step (pre storage), do you not need a back Purge when you use Everclear in order to remove the remaining unwanted components?
Great question Guy. Considering the fact that I don’t know what a “back purge” is...I’m going to say no. :slide:

Seriously, I’ve never done anything other than what I’ve done. No other purging except natural evaporation. However, I’m confident a vacuum purge would be beneficial. I’m going to get one eventually.

As far as running butane, I can’t really comment. I’ve watched a friend blast butane and was a little apprehensive about doing it myself. That was several years ago though. If I do get a vacuum, I may give butane a shot...no pun intended.

Because I mostly use the alcohol wash extracts for making coconut oil capsules or other oils, it gets decarb’d and goes right into the oils. I’ve never had any issues with that.
 

Guy Cavallero

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Great question Guy. Considering the fact that I don’t know what a “back purge” is...I’m going to say no. :slide:

Seriously, I’ve never done anything other than what I’ve done. No other purging except natural evaporation. However, I’m confident a vacuum purge would be beneficial. I’m going to get one eventually.

As far as running butane, I can’t really comment. I’ve watched a friend blast butane and was a little apprehensive about doing it myself. That was several years ago though. If I do get a vacuum, I may give butane a shot...no pun intended.

Because I mostly use the alcohol wash extracts for making coconut oil capsules or other oils, it gets decarb’d and goes right into the oils. I’ve never had any issues with that.
Ah I see. I know his method was in order to maximize the extraction of butane. They've had it tested and what's actually left in his concentrate when he's completed is less than somebody flicking a Bic lighter when they light a cigarette. I suppose with the alcohol that it is not as bad as ingesting butane LOL..... Not that I have any experience LMAO.

Do you de-carb your bud before you soak it or do you have some other method of doing the oil once it's been refined, I'm assuming that the decarb is necessary because you're ingesting it rather than smoking it?

It's great to see another method of extraction, ultimately the same result and same idea just a different carrier. I certainly get the apprehension behind the butane.

Before closing here LMAO..... I also wanted to commend you on your warning before anything else commenced. I was told at least 20 times before my buddy even started......nice job!
 
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Grandpa Tokin

Member of the Month: Apr 2018
Ah I see. I know his method was in order to maximize the extraction of butane. They've had it tested and what's actually left in his concentrate when he's completed is less than somebody flicking a Bic lighter when they light a cigarette. I suppose with the alcohol that it is not as bad as ingesting butane LOL..... Not that I have any experience LMAO.

Do you de-carb your bud before you soak it or do you have some other method of doing the oil once it's been refined, I'm assuming that the decarb is necessary because you're ingesting it rather than smoking it?

It's great to see another method of extraction, ultimately the same result and same idea just a different carrier. I certainly get the apprehension behind the butane.

Before closing here LMAO..... I also wanted to commend you on your warning before anything else commenced. I was told at least 20 times before my buddy even started......nice job!
Thanks! I decarb after extraction. Keep reading bud, it’s on page 3, then scroll down to the pictures. I show how I decarb and make the oil:

Grandpa Gets Oily! Everclear Extracts For Shatter Or Oil!
 

alltatup

Active Member
Hello everyone! Grandpa’s making some killer oils and I want to share the process I go through. The goal with this particular batch is to get the best I can from the material I’m using. I’m in search of trichome heads and as little green (Chlorophyll) as possible.

We want the Everclear to do its job and extract the best of the best. For the first batch, this means no shaking and just swirling the material slightly in the alcohol. This will extract more THC, terps, and goodies the plant has to offer.

With that in mind, let’s make some shatter!

*Warning! This process is extremely dangerous if you don’t take care. I am doing this in a large shop with 12 foot ceilings. I make sure there is adequate cross ventilation by keeping a window and a door open to the outside, and a small fan blowing to help circulate to the outside. This is key to not blowing your ass up! You must also ensure there are no open flames...PERIOD! Alcohol fumes are extremely volatile. Be careful damn it! I will not be responsible for you blowing your house up.

Here’s a list of the components that will be used with current US dollar prices at Amazon:

1. I use this griddle, but there are other less expensive options, $30.94: Toastmaster TM-201GR Griddle, 10 x 20", Black


2. Pyrex dish, $11.09: Pyrex Basics 3 Quart Glass Oblong Baking Dish, Clear 8.9 Inch X 13.2 Inch - 3 Qt


3. Cake pan, I don’t know where I got mine, but this will do, $13.99: Wilton Recipe Right Non-Stick Biscuit and Brownie Pan, 11 in. x 7 in. (2-Pack)


4. Stainless strainer, $8.99: CHICHIC Set of 3 Stainless Steel Kitchen Fine Strainers Tea Fine Y Mesh Strainers Juice Egg Filter 3 Sieve Colander Sets Wire Filter Mesh for Tea Coffee Food Rice Vegetable with Handle


5. Large mason jars. I use these because they are on-hand, I usually buy these at Walmart, $6.00: 1 Ball 64oz Wide Mouth Half Gallon Mason Jar


6. Unbleached cone coffee filters, the #4s fit the wide mouth mason jars well, $3.99: Melitta No. 4 Cone Coffee Filters, Natural Brown, 100 Count


7. Silicon pad, $11.00: Oil Slick Duo Platinum Cured Medical Grade Silicone Pads, Set of 2, 3.25x4.5" Pads


8. Razor blades.

9. Gloves. It’s sticky-icky!

Please shop around. You can probably find everything cheaper!

The first things I do is gather all my materials. I put the cake pan on the griddle, and put hot water in the cake pan. This is the beginning of a diy double boiler. I turn on the griddle to keep the water hot.

After that I gather the weed, alcohol, mason jars, and filters to begin the process. Today I’m using some fresh frozen bud from my last harvest. The strain is called Amherst Sour Diesel and the seed came from Humbolt.



I then put the material in a mason jar and cover the weed with the Everclear:





I put the lid on the mason jar and let the alcohol and weed just sit for about 15-30 seconds. Then, I slowly swirl (not shaking; remember, we are going for the best of the best here) for another 20-30 seconds.

The jar then gets dumped into my stainless strainer. I sit the strainer over a plastic Folgers Coffee container to capture the goodness (naturally it’s been cleaned beforehand and there’s no coffee in it). :tokin:



Then starts the most annoying part for me and that’s filtering. I simply pour the mixture from the Folgers coffee container threw a coffee filter that’s sitting in the mason jar. I completely filter the mixture at least 2 times, depending on what it looks like. Sometimes I’ll filter 3 times.









It takes a little while to complete, but be patient. I don’t squeeze the living shit out of filters either. When it’s filtered it’s filtered. No need to dick with it. I will tap on the filter at times if it seems to slow down too much. Remember the idea is to capture the best!

The mixture will look slightly different from strain to strain, whether it fresh frozen, bud or trim, and naturally how well the plant was grown, and when it was harvested. The main thing I look for is a very light golden yellow. A good piss color...



Next, it’s time to help evaporate off the alcohol with the diy double boiler. This is where it can be dangerous. The evaporation process will make dangerous fumes. No smoking! Keep your area ventilated.

I pour the mix into the Pyrex and place it in the cake pan with hot water. I keep the griddle heat at a medium to medium-low heat (on my griddle, 1 is low and 8 is full high. I keep it at about 3.5-4).





At that heat, it takes about 1.5 hours to cook off most of the alcohol. Alcohol will boil faster than water so we are looking for that sweet spot—not boiling but hot enough to evaporate. In my experience, keeping the temps of the mixture below 140F is the best. The slower the better to keep as many terpines as possible. Trust me, you’ll thank me later.



You will be able to see as the mixture is rendered down to the goodness. I use razor blades to scrape and collect onto a silicone pad. It takes awhile and is very sticky, but so satisfying. At least to me.





Once it’s all collected, I sandwich it between two silicone pads and place the pads on the warm Pyrex to help smash it flat.



Then, it goes directly into the freezer while I clean up my stuff and put everything away. Here’s what it looks like coming right out of the freezer.



Normally, I’ll let it sit in a drawer, at room temperature, for a few days. This allows for more alcohol to be evaporated, if there’s any left, while also making it more stable. In just a short time it will be stable enough to pickup and handle. This is what it looks like after 8 hours:



I wish we had smellavision! There’s a strong pepper and spice smell with a hint of pine and a fruit that I can’t put my finger on. It tastes like a gummy bear on steroids... :tokin:

It can be dabbed immediately, and I do it all the time. It’s just better if you let it “cure,” for lack of a better word, for a few days. In this particular case, I’m going to use it for making canna coconut oil capsules... I’ll post those pictures here...as soon as it gets done.

Well, that’s Grandpa’s Everclear shatter tutorial. I hope you enjoyed it. Remember, SAFETY FIRST! Peace out!

Cheers!




Edit: More safety tips.

1. Razor blades are very sharp.
2. Please be cautious and don’t run with scissors.
3. Wrap that rascal!
Granpa, what's wrong with chlorophyll???
 
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Grandpa Tokin

Member of the Month: Apr 2018
Granpa, what's wrong with chlorophyll???
@alltatup It’s my understanding that there isn’t anything wrong with chlorophyll, but you get a smoother, more pleasant tasting product the less chlorophyll is extracted.
@BigBearNTexas is correct. There is absolutely nothing wrong with chlorophyll @alltatup. Especially if you’re going to make it into edibles, etc. The second wash gets a lot more green. What I was after in the tutorial was the best parts though. Like Bear said it’s a much smoother product and the potency is outstanding.
 

alltatup

Active Member
I personally like a dark green tincture. Whatever else gets infused, along with all the cannabinoids, is ok with me. When I make a tincture using sugar leaf trim, I let it soak for weeks. I decided to do it this way with trim after discovering how powerful the leaves are. I started eating the leaves I trimmed around week 3 of flower--just to eat some dark leafy greens--and they are incredibly powerful: I was high as heck for hours.

So my thinking was, if the leaves--long before trichomes appear--have this much psychoactive material in them, I should let trim soak for a long time.

Apparently, this is one of the best-kept secrets around.
 
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Old Salt

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The chlorophyll can be handled by setting the solution in sunlight or under a strong light for a few hours before removing the solvent. It'll turn color from greenish to amber.
 

Rider509

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I personally like a dark green tincture. Whatever else gets infused, along with all the cannabinoids, is ok with me. When I make a tincture using sugar leaf trim, I let it soak for weeks. I decided to do it this way with trim after discovering how powerful the leaves are. I started eating the leaves I trimmed around week 3 of flower--just to eat some dark leafy greens--and they are incredibly powerful: I was high as heck for hours.

So my thinking was, if the leaves--long before trichomes appear--have this much psychoactive material in them, I should let trim soak for a long time.

Apparently, this is one of the best-kept secrets around.
You lost me. How can they be sugar leaves if you're taking them long before trichomes appear? And why would you trim sugar leaves? And as the THCa is concentrated in the resin glands and has to be decarboxylated to produce euphoria, how could you be high as heck from eating leaves that have no trichomes to even be decarbed?
 
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alltatup

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You lost me. How can they be sugar leaves if you're taking them long before trichomes appear? And why would you trim sugar leaves? And as the THCa is concentrated in the resin glands and has to be decarboxylated to produce euphoria, how could you be high as heck from eating leaves that have no trichomes to even be decarbed?
Try it; you'll see. The sugar leaves were trimmed after I harvested my buds; I dried them and made tincture. The other leaves, before there are trichomes, are incredibly potent--at least from around week 2 or 3 of flower. Cook them gently with a little butter or coconut oil; you'll get very high.
 

InTheShed

Member of the Month: Jan 2018, Nov 2018 - Grow Journal of the Month: Aug 2018 - Plant of the Month: Oct 2018
Why would anyone want to expose the good stuff to strong light? It's supposed to stay cool and dark.
There was a discussion on another thread about this technique and questioned whether it would remove the green taste (the goal of doing it) or just the green color!