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(CNN) -- California voters have just rejected Proposition 19, the ballot initiative that would have legalized marijuana under state law. Where did Prop 19 go wrong?

Prop 19 failed in part because many proponents emphasized the wrong arguments for legalization. Many advocates promised major benefits to California's budget because of reduced expenditure on marijuana prohibition and increased revenue from marijuana taxation. Other supporters claimed that Mexican drug violence would fall substantially.

Both claims were overblown. The budgetary benefits, while not insignificant, would have been small compared with California's fiscal mess. Mexican drug violence is mainly associated with the cocaine and methamphetamine trades, as well as from marijuana traffic to other states.

Many voters sensed that Prop 19 supporters were overreaching, and this made them suspicious of all the arguments in its favor. Common sense should have recognized that since marijuana was close to legal already, Prop 19 would not have had dramatic effects.

Prop 19 failed also because it overreached. One feature attempted to protect the "rights" of employees who get fired or disciplined for using marijuana, including a provision that employers could only discipline marijuana use that "actually impairs job performance." That is a much higher bar than required by current policy.
Many voters sensed that Prop 19 supporters were overreaching, and this made them suspicious.

This provision allowed Prop 19 opponents to claim that workplaces would become infested with impaired pot users. That assertion is not well-founded, but that is not the point. Prop 19 did not need to address employee marijuana-testing in the first place.

A more effective position for Prop 19 supporters would have been that employee marijuana-testing should be unencumbered by state or federal law. That would allow employers to protect themselves and their employees against perceived risks from marijuana, thereby promoting support for legalization.

A final problem with Prop 19 is that it would only have legalized marijuana under state law, since federal law also bans marijuana. U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder, moreover, announced just weeks before Tuesday's election that the administration would enforce the federal law fully even if Prop 19 passed.
 
This legal limbo would have kept the marijuana market underground, limiting tax revenue and continuing the ills of black market. This ambiguity also dimmed support by making state-level legalization feel like an empty gesture.

So what is the path to legalizing marijuana in the United States?

First and foremost, advocates must emphasize that in a free society, the burden of proof should be on prohibitionists to justify the interference with liberty that results from outlawing marijuana, a burden the prohibitionists have never met. Any calm assessment of marijuana versus alcohol, for example, shows that alcohol is the substance with the greater potential for harm.

Ancillary benefits of legalization are naturally important: by eliminating the black market, legalization promises reduced crime and corruption, fewer infringements on civil liberties, better quality control for marijuana users, along with budgetary benefits. But these considerations are unlikely to convince the majority until more people agree that government should not interfere in the private decision to consume marijuana.

Marijuana advocates should also focus on federal law, in addition to or even instead of state law. Legalization proponents have long despaired of affecting change at the federal level and assumed that state-by-state change would someday bring down federal prohibition. That position is understandable, and it has achieved some success, such as the decriminalization of medicalization of marijuana in many states.
This provision allowed Prop 19 opponents to claim that workplaces would become infested with impaired pot users.

Yet it's hard to see the federal apparatus yielding ground without direct elimination of its authorization; the stakes for those who hold this power are too high. Legalizers can also argue compellingly that no reasonable interpretation of the Constitution justifies federal imposition of a marijuana ban.

A final key to legalizing marijuana is to get conservatives, not just liberals, more involved. A number of well-known conservatives have advocated legalization, such as Milton Friedman, George Schultz, and William Buckley, but the general perception is that legalizers are "stoners, " acting mainly out of self-interest.

Yet legalization can appeal to conservatives, especially if the arguments emphasize freedom, personal responsibility, and the Constitution, along with up-front clarity about the goal: legal production and use of marijuana for adults, whatever their motivations. Past liberal efforts, such as medical marijuana, invite charges of hypocrisy and weaken support.

Marijuana can and should be legal, Prop 19's failure notwithstanding. But the strategy for achieving that end must change.

Sorry for the highjack, I really like the article.
 
thanks for posting that!

One of the goals of my collective is to redefine the cannabis culture. I've done this on a small scale: our board of directors are 2 physicians, a LCSW, a PhD and a mechanical engineer. We've all got families, kids. Each of us are well known in our community.

We're not stoners, we don't act like stoners. I'd like to think we represent the new cannabis culture, or at least a piece of it.

Professional, responsible people are allowed to go wine tasting. No one bats an eye if we go out to a nice restaurant and order a martini. But during prohibition all of that would have been illegal! There was a stigma. There were federal agents with guns. There were prisons, turf wars, gangsters and all the rest.

But, the culture around alcohol has changed.

Time for the cannabis culture to change too.

For me, and for the people I know, it's not about getting F'd up. That's the analogy of bathtub gin during prohibition. For me, its about a social lubricant, an acceptable recreational pastime.

The pain relief, mood enhancement and other medicinal properties won't be truly discovered until the stigma of prohibition is removed.

Oh....this all can be blamed on our criminal, over reaching, illegal, corrupt government. If it wasn't for their multi-generational propaganda campaign, we'd all be growing this stuff in the front yard, like Aloe Vera or Lavendar.
 
hey doc how are u doin?

i just had a quick OC+ question for ya. im doin one FF nute plant and a OC+ plant.
i had bought some hygrozyme today to keep my medium clean and roots happy, mainly for my FF plant. my question is do u think i would need this hygrozyme for my OC+ plant or not really? seen as the plant only takes in what it needs and u dont have to flush or anything using OC+?
anything would help, thanks doc
 
hey doc how are u doin?

i just had a quick OC+ question for ya. im doin one FF nute plant and a OC+ plant.
i had bought some hygrozyme today to keep my medium clean and roots happy, mainly for my FF plant. my question is do u think i would need this hygrozyme for my OC+ plant or not really? seen as the plant only takes in what it needs and u dont have to flush or anything using OC+?
anything would help, thanks doc

What are you growing in?

Hygrozyme is not "needed." It helps break down waste, something soil microbes do in soil, but something that is lacking in hydroponic grows. If you're in a hempy set up, I'd use the hygrozyme every watering, 8 ml per gallon. In soil.....not really needed, but is sure won't hurt anything.
 
im growing in soil, FF happy frog this time. i do wanna try hempy next time but need to do a lil more readin on it first, seems a great way to grow tho. the OC+ seems to be doin great so far, it grew and stretched pretty nicely when i started flowering, but not as many white pistols as i thought there would be, prob just the strain im guessing.
 
im growing in soil, FF happy frog this time. i do wanna try hempy next time but need to do a lil more readin on it first, seems a great way to grow tho. the OC+ seems to be doin great so far, it grew and stretched pretty nicely when i started flowering, but not as many white pistols as i thought there would be, prob just the strain im guessing.

Could be the strain, or it could be your temps. It will catch up. Just dial in the environment.
 
temp stay in the 70's sometimes gets to 68 at night. soon it will be very cold, im sure ill have to put a heater in my tent.
thanks doc
 
Outrageous looking buds! Inspiring grow. :bravo::bravo::bravo::rollit:

thanks TT. I think I'm gonna have something special when it's all over.

check. thanks mate

no prob. Keep up the good work.

Beautiful!

thanks!

those blackberry plants are jumping off the page.

They are something! I am loving the purple. I know it doesn't mean much....cold temps is all....but with the resin and smell, that's gonna be hard to resist.

Next cycle should be even better! Gonna go with a good organic soil, biotone, my micro-mix, dolomite and OC+. I learned something this grow that should help me do even better.

During stretch I'm gonna up the nightime temps and turn off the co2. The higher temps will increase the nutes a bit with the OC+. I'll water with compost tea, molasses and some kelpy stuff.

Then as the end nears, drop the temps a bit and let them finish.

For all those that read the journal, I can't stress enough how important it is to be able to control your environment! When you can decide how hot you want it to be, and how much humidity you want....and can do it anytime you want, it opens up a whole other world of possibilities.

Don't waste time and money on nutrients. Do spend time and money on environmental controls!

I think I'm gonna have some things figured out next time....which starts in mere weeks. I just have to decide which seeds I'm gonna pop!
 
Setting Sun said it perfectly. Wow! They all look great to me Doc.

I found Ironite Mineral Supplement at Ace Hardware, mixed some into the spot where the prills are and watered it in. I'm hoping that fixes my issues. Thanks for all your help!
 
Docbud, are you aware of DIF?

Your strategy of raising the night time temp. will help reduce the stretch.

Greenhouse Grower Mag with a good summary in the new issue

Greenhouse Grower: Non-Chemical Height Control-

Yep. Learned it from YOU!
Funny thing, a very experienced grower friend of mine had it exactly backwards, he said to get nightime down low.

But, as usual, actual science wins over pot growing tradition. I read several articles that say exactly what your article says. I also spoke with a local Poinsettia grower who uses this method to stack the nodes on his plants so they fit into the shipping boxes!

There is so much to learn....but so much fun learning it!
 
But, as usual, actual science wins over pot growing tradition. !

How true Doc - I just voted in back to open up a "scientific" forum for guys who like to bust some myths and experiment... would you be interested?

I'm going to join the chorus in praise of that blackberry - what a pretty plant. POM? :yummy:

I love plants that have blueberry in their makeup - the smell is unmistakable - is the blackberry a blueberry cross?

I apologize for missing most of this journal - better late than never though, and that's a great tip about the temp control with OC+.
 
How true Doc - I just voted in back to open up a "scientific" forum for guys who like to bust some myths and experiment... would you be interested?

I'm going to join the chorus in praise of that blackberry - what a pretty plant. POM? :yummy:

I love plants that have blueberry in their makeup - the smell is unmistakable - is the blackberry a blueberry cross?

I apologize for missing most of this journal - better late than never though, and that's a great tip about the temp control with OC+.

I haven't been able to find any reliable information about the genetics of the Blackberry. It's a clone that's making the rounds in my area....that's all I know.

As far as a science thread....I'm very interested. But my time is limited.
 
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