SciFi's Bunkrupt Durban X ? Hybrid, First Grow Ever 2010

[SciFi]

I've switched over to the 1-2-3 Recipe. Seems easy enough. Veg PPM looks a tad high to start veg on thou no?

NN AN UN P K Ca Mg S Fe Mn Zn Cu B Mo Co
195 21 0 51 270 132 38 53 3.1 1.2 0.3 0.2 0.1 0.02 0.01
Total PPM 764

3tsp FloraGro
2tsp FloraMicro (Yes I mixed it first.
1tsp FloraBloom
in 1 gallon of distilled water

Let's see how easy the 1-2-3 is.

 

[SciFi]

*FACE PALMS* Let's hope they can deal with the ppms.

** Dilute final mixture (or adjust part size) to suit your plants nutrient strength (EC/TDS) requirements.

 

[Green Utopia]

750 is where I start my veg.

keep an eye out for tip burn and you'll be fine.

 

[SciFi]

Is tip burn AKA Nitrogen damage? I'll keep my eyes peeled.

 

[onthe420train]

Tip burn is usually over-fertilization

 

[SciFi]

Too many ppms? Roger that. What should I do if it occurs? Flush I assume before it's too late. Hopefully it'll show in 6 hours before I go to work.

 

[SciFi]

Oh.. And everyone who's offered advice. Thank you.

 

[onthe420train]

Yea just drop the ppm a bit - if its in soil flush if its hydro you just drop it - btw which are you doing now? along with your other thread I'm kind of confused whether your running DWC or both.

 

[SciFi]

Lol.. Sorry, I pulled all the DWCs.. I think the plastic was killing them or I shocked them when I transplanted them. They died three days after coming out of the 18 ounce cups. All nine.. So that leaves two. I've moved also, so I have quite an improvised cab at the moment. I'm charging my camera now, so I'll take pictures of the two ladies (crossing my fingers once it's charged.

It's actually not soil by the way.. It's a soilless mix of 50/50 sphagnum peat moss and vermiculite. It's very airy and the plants seem to really like it.

They're not stretching very much at all and I'm not sure if it's genetics or how close I've kept the CFLs (~1.5") for most of the grow. One I've started to LST, and the other I'm afraid to mess with from the tiny holes in the leafs. (WTF is that?) Both showed substantial growth from last night from their first dose of full dose of 3-2-1 GH.. The LST looks like it could get interesting. I'm thinking about running the plant around the pot, and the other perhaps scrogging. I hope to have a few cabinets going in the next week or so.

 

[SciFi]

Bankrupt cabs 4 eva. Heh. A bit of improvisation with the cabinet, some rubber dipped screen screen and a few 2x4s. Same CFLs, but a few less on. Were at Day 27ish from first set of true leaves.

Is this nutrient burn? This is the one I was afraid to transplant as it had all the tiny blotches that turned to holes and one that the lights fell on, but survived that narrow escape (one very bottom true leaf was lost) and now these rust colored spots I didn't notice yesterday.. Lots of growth thou.

Lots of new growth on the side of the LST facing the light.

 

[SciFi]

Jeeezow.. Got quite a bit of growth today, but I'll be damned if these things will stretch.. They ain't doing it.. They're scared of heights. :|

 

[onthe420train]

Right on!!!!!!!

 

[SciFi]

Jeeez they're getting fatter.. ALOT, but not taller. :| STREEEEETCH BITCHES I WANNA SCROG! Or LST or something.. Heh. I dropped the feeding schedule back a hair from the spots on the leaves, and it doesn't seem to be spreading.

 

[SciFi]

Oh yea.. When should I flip to 18/4 hours? I'm still on 24 hours.. and why the hell don't I see either of these plants showing sex, 29 days into their second set of leaves?!

 

[onthe420train]

cannbabis is photoperiodic. vegetative and flowering light cycles are different. there is a lot of information on it around but heres a short synopsis
veg light cycles promote vegetative growth. 20/4, 24/0, 18/6 are veg light cycles.
Flower cycle promote flowers and reproductive growth in plants. 12/12 is flowering light cycle.

 

[SciFi]

Right.. I've just heard people say snapping from 24 to 12/12 is bad and to transition from 24 to 20/4 to 18/6 to 12/12 is better for the plants... *SHRUG*

 

[onthe420train]

Hey man well lookin @ this chart I think flowering typically starts about Aug/Sept around here outdoors.

but I don't think any growers have issues switching from veg to flower cycles no matter what veg cycle they use.

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[SciFi]

Mmm. I want to pickup a HPS some where but.. a few little ones, so I can have a few cabs going at different rates. I can build a ballast for 150 watts for $30, a mogul for $15 or so, and a bulb for 20... And I want like 4 of em. Heh. That should be okay for a 2X2 space.. but I wonder how close I can get a 150 watt from a plant. The CFLS practically lay on them right now.

 

[Aberration]

I go from 800W of plain floros on 24 hrs directly to 2400W of HPS and MH on 12/12. No issues.

 

[musikgenman]

Sci-Fi I grow in DWC Buckets and none of my plants(from seed) have showed sex after 4 weeks(29days roughly) and when they did they were much bigger than that. Usually about 6-8 weeks(from seed) Im sure thats typical whether in soil or hydro.
You don't change the light to 12/12 until the plant is sexually mature which you will know when one or both of 2 things happen. Instead of symmetrical branch growth(branches/fan leaves grow side by side) there will be alternating branch growth. Many just say "when there are alternating Nodes"(node is the part where the branch grows out of, same as fan leaf). Also the plants shows its sexually mature when there are pre-flowers mainly at the nodes. Either a male sac or a female bulb with hairs(pistils).
Now it is possible to grow plants from seed on 12/12 light but the plants will veg until they are sexually mature and then flower. I say keep them vegging for at least another 2 weeks and keep a the light no farther than 4 inches away from the top of the plants. (24 hour light has been shown in studies to help plants grow 30% more vigourously than plants on 18 hour light under the same environmental conditions, besides the light of course)
You want a high Nitrogen fertilizer during veg. I think the Miracle grow does. If you see the plants exhibiting any wierd colors or leaf tips drying out just water with plain water a few times and watch plant closely for positive changes. You dont want nutes in every watering. be careful lol.
Those two plants there are looking great, sorry to hear about the other ones. When you flower if you can add more cfls, the orange tinted ones. The blue ones are great for veg and the orange/red tinted ones are great for flower.

If you get the HPS and you get 4 like you mention thats gonna heat up the place quite a bit, you can start out at a safer distance(24-26 inches,if real hot start higher) and every couple days bring the lights a couple inches closer until you think its effecting the plants. My lights are in an air cooled reflector and my 400w HPS has had plants as close to them as like 6 inches, but if i didn't have that glass and cool air moving the heat I wouldn't dare put them any closer than 12 inches, it would burn the plants badly.
Hope this helps.
Musik