BCBudd 1st Ever Grow - Hydro

[BCBudd]

I use innovating plant products for nutes. Roots look good not slimy. Just mixed more nutes and rez smells just like the fresh batch. If I could get a grip on it I'd pull my hair out.

 

[Big Beans]

im not sure if i missed it but is that a 3 part and how much are you feeding them? Are you going by bottle recomendating or your own mix?
are the plants being affected in the same area or spread around? is it the plants off to the side of the light or directly undernieth?

 

[Big Beans]

Back the light off see what happens!!! from top to bottom light might be just bleaching plant leaves. and you might not really have any issues at all try that for a day or two and see if the green starts coming back!!

 

[BCBudd]

I raised the light a couple days ago but shouldn't be that as I'm on a ligh mover and the tallest plants are good. The nutes are a 2 part and going by bottle charts. Affected plants aren't in same spots in the tray.

 

[Big Beans]

hmmm? are you not using a ppm meter if you are what strength are you giving it. because bottle strength is usualy to much (in my cases) you might need to cut back to half strength. But if your also only using a two part with no addatives that can be your problem too. you just might need to get that cal mag that would make sence too me. Are you mixing anything with the 2 part?

 

[jandre2k3]

Goes 5.5 5.8 6.0 6.3 and always between 5.5 and 5.8. I take runoff reading as well as res readings. Flushed very well,about 60 gals well. Just checked on em and its even worse. 4 or 5 plants look perfect as can be and the rest look like hell.

Okay, do this. Take your nute pump out of the res, and place in a 5Gal bucket of water. Check all of your drip stakes to make sure water is delivered at the same rate all across the board. Odds are there's something in your delivery system as well. Those not dripping fast enough, either replace, or scrub deposits off the drip stake, clean tubing inside VERY well (with pipe cleaners or pipe snake if you can), sanitize and put back in, if not then replace them. Then run the water out of the bucket. With your size, 10 Gallons is the MINIMUM, I'd run through for a medium flush. You really want to flush the medium every 2 weeks or so. I think you said you do, but the volume of water you're flushing through may not be enough. Let the water run out of the 5gallon bucket untill it's damn near gone and your pump makes a little sound. Refill the bucket with fresh water and repeat. That looks like a combo of pH and Lockout, really. Especially if it's a mix of perfect plants and some declining.

After the flush, wait a day or two before feeding with nutes again. It's almost to the point that you should start expecting to lose a few plants, so more drastic measures should be employed to minimize your losses. In your Flower room, are there any smells, or textures that don't quite seem right? Look a little odd? Never seen before? Weird sheen on the nute runoff? What do the undersides of the leaves look like? Is there anything black or green on your cubes? Are your roots outside of the cubes white, or brown? Take a white light into the room, turn the HPS off, and take pics of ANYTHING environmental that you aren't sure about. We need to get this taken care of before losses occur and that is getting close.

 

[Big Beans]

Okay, do this. Take your nute pump out of the res, and place in a 5Gal bucket of water. Check all of your drip stakes to make sure water is delivered at the same rate all across the board. Odds are there's something in your delivery system as well. Those not dripping fast enough, either replace, or scrub deposits off the drip stake, clean tubing inside VERY well (with pipe cleaners or pipe snake if you can), sanitize and put back in, if not then replace them. Then run the water out of the bucket. With your size, 10 Gallons is the MINIMUM, I'd run through for a medium flush. You really want to flush the medium every 2 weeks or so. I think you said you do, but the volume of water you're flushing through may not be enough. Let the water run out of the 5gallon bucket untill it's damn near gone and your pump makes a little sound. Refill the bucket with fresh water and repeat. That looks like a combo of pH and Lockout, really. Especially if it's a mix of perfect plants and some declining.

After the flush, wait a day or two before feeding with nutes again. It's almost to the point that you should start expecting to lose a few plants, so more drastic measures should be employed to minimize your losses. In your Flower room, are there any smells, or textures that don't quite seem right? Look a little odd? Never seen before? Weird sheen on the nute runoff? What do the undersides of the leaves look like? Is there anything black or green on your cubes? Are your roots outside of the cubes white, or brown? Take a white light into the room, turn the HPS off, and take pics of ANYTHING environmental that you aren't sure about. We need to get this taken care of before losses occur and that is getting close.

I here what your saying. thats alot of work if he says his roots are white and there is no root issues. you might beable to tell if one is delivering less, is to check the moisture of the cubes. if its dripping slowly you might notice the otherside of the cube being a little dry. But lossing plants is not an option we dont want to lose anything. I have to go back to see what the set up looks like. can you take a jug and just hand flush them or did you do that?

 

[BCBudd]

When I flush I always go from a 2nd bucket to the rez. This last one I 9 0r 10 buckets of tap water then 5 gal of phed water. We check the lines weekly at feeding time to make sure they are all running evenly. Last night we took all the lines out and ran h202 through the whole system. Have already lost 5 plants so far. Day off tomorrow so I will go in just before lights on and take pics. No I don't have a ppm meter. The feeding schedule has a light feeding and heavy feeding I go right in the middle. Also use ultimate b plus and bud fusion.

 

[jandre2k3]

The ones you lost, when you pulled them, what color were the roots?

 

[jandre2k3]

I here what your saying. thats alot of work if he says his roots are white and there is no root issues. you might beable to tell if one is delivering less, is to check the moisture of the cubes. if its dripping slowly you might notice the otherside of the cube being a little dry. But lossing plants is not an option we dont want to lose anything. I have to go back to see what the set up looks like. can you take a jug and just hand flush them or did you do that?

A lot of work, yes, but in keeping the losses to a minimum, losing plants already, I'd do everything I could, including a lot of work to save what I could!

 

[209 Cali C.G]

 

[Big Beans]

i guess i really dont know whats going on but i would FLUSH WITH ALL PH;ED WATER.

 

[BCBudd]

The roots were nice and bright white.

 

[Big Beans]

I dont know my man all you can do is take more pics lay a few on us of the hole grow then some of the plants that are affected but looking at the hole plant will help alot more and take pics right before the light comes on. or turn them off for a sec.

 

[BCBudd]

Tryin to upload pics but they processing for almost half hour.

 

[jandre2k3]

Tryin to upload pics but they processing for almost half hour.

Nice Hi Res pics.! We should be able to get a good look when they finish then!

 

[BCBudd]

So it gets worse everyday now. Couple leaves as you will see are red too. First time for that.
Heres the horror show. Not for the faint of heart.

 

[jandre2k3]

So it gets worse everyday now. Couple leaves as you will see are red too. First time for that.
Heres the horror show. Not for the faint of heart.

That is Phosphorus Deficiency

From Cannabis Plant and Pest Problem Solver - Pictorial

Phosphorus (P) Mobile Element and Macro Element

Benefit: Phosphorus does a lot of things for the plant. One of the most important parts of Phosphorus is: It aids in root growth and influences the vigour of the plant and is
one of the most important elements in flowering as well helps to germinate seedlings.
Phosphorus is an essential plant nutrient, and since it is needed in large amounts, it is classified as a macronutrient. Phosphorus is a MAJOR important nutrient in the plants reproductive stages. Without this element the plants will have a lot of problems blooming without proper levels of Phosphorus.

When your plants are deficient in phosphorus, this can overall reduce the size of your plants. Not enough causes slow growth and causes the plant to become weak, to little amount of Phosphorus causes slow growths in leaves that may or may not drop off. The edges all around the leaves or half of the leaves can be brownish and work its way inwards a bit causing the part of the leaves to curl up in the air a bit. Fan leaves will show dark greenish/purplish and yellowish tones along with a dullish blue colour to them. Sometimes the stems can be red, along with red petioles that can happen when having a Phosphorus deficiency. This isn’t a sure sure sign of you having one though, but can be a sign. Some strains just show the red petioles and stems from its genes.
So pretty much the overall dark green colour with a purple, red, or blue tint to the fan leaves is a good sign of a Phosphorus deficiency. Having Cold weather (below 50F/10C) can make phosphorous absorption very troublesome for plants.
Many people get a Phosphorus deficiency confused with a fungus problem because the ends of the leaves look like a fungus problem, But the damage occurs at the end of the leaves. side of the leaves and has a glass like feeling to it as if it had a ph problem. Parts affected by a phosphorus deficiency are: Older Leaves, Whole plant, Petioles.

Too much Phosphorus levels affect plant growth by suppressing the uptake of: Iron, potassium and Zinc, potentially causing deficiency symptoms of these nutrients to occur def in plants. A Zinc deficiency is most common under excessive phosphorus conditions,
As well as causing other nutrients to have absorption troubles like zinc and copper. Phosphorus fluctuates when concentrated and combined with calcium

Problems with Phosphorus being locked out by PH troubles
Cold wet soils, acid or very alkaline soils, compacted soil.

Soil

Phosphorus gets locked out of soil growing at ph levels of 4.0-5.5
Phosphorus is absorbed best in soil at a ph level of 6.0-7.5 (wouldn’t recommend having a ph of over 7.0 in soil) Anything out of the ranges listed will contribute to a Phosphorus deficiency.

Hydro and Soil less Mediums

Phosphorus gets locked out of Hydro and Soil less Mediums at ph levels of 6.0-8.5.
Phosphorus is absorbed best in Hydro and Soil less Mediums at ph levels of 4.0- 5.8. (Wouldn’t recommend having a ph over 6.5 in hydro and soil less mediums.) Best range for hydro and soil less mediums is 5.0 to 6.0. Anything out of the ranges listed will contribute to a Phosphorus Deficiency.

Solution to fixing a Phosphorus deficiency
Some deficiency during flowering is normal, but too much shouldn't be tolerated. Any chemical or organic fertilizers that have Phosphorus in them will fix a Phosphorus deficiency. If you have a phosphorus deficiency you should use any N-P-K ratio that is over 5.Again Peters all purpose 20-20-20 is a good mix. Miracle grow Tomato plant food, Miracle grow All purpose plant food (Only mixing at ½ strength when using chemical nutrients, or it will cause nutrient burn!) Other forms of phosphorus supplements are: Bone meal, which is gradual absorption, I suggest making it into a tea for faster use, where bone/blood meal is slow acting, but when made into a tea it works quicker! Fruit eating bat guano, which is fast absorption, Worm castings, which is gradual absorption, Fish meal, which is medium absorption, Soft Rock Phosphate, which is medium absorption, Jamaican or Indonesian Guano, which is fast absorption. Crabshell, which is slow absorption. Tiger Bloom , which is fast absorption.

Here is a list of things to help fix a Phosphrous Deficiency.

Chemical

Advanced nutrients Bloom (0-5-4)
Vita Bloom (0-7-5)
BC Bloom (1.1-4.4-7)
GH Flora Bloom (0-5-4)
GH Maxi Bloom (5-15-14)
GH Floranova Bloom (4-8-7)
Dyna-Gro Bloom (3-12-6)
Fox Farm Tiger Bloom (2-8-4)
Awsome Blossums

Organic

Dr. Hornby's Iguana Juice Bloom (4-3-6)
Advanced Nutrients Mother Earth Bloom (.5-1.5-2)
Fox Farm Big Bloom (.01-.3-.7)
Earth Juice Bloom (0-3-1)
Pure Blend Bloom (2.5-2-5)
Pure Blend Pro Bloom (2.5-2-5)
Buddswell (0-7-0)
Sea Island Jamaican Bat Guano (1-10-0)
Indonesian Bat Guano (0-13-0)
Rainbow Mix Bloom (1-9-2)
Earth Juice Bloom (0-3-1)
BIO BLOOM (2-6-3.5)
AGE OLD BLOOM (5-10-5)
ALASKA MORBLOOM (0-10-10)
METANATURALS ORGANIC BLOOM (1-5-5)

Any of these will cure your phosphorus deficiency. Affected leaves will not show recovery but new growth will appear normal.

Now if you added to much chemical ferts and or organics,( which is hard to burn your plants when using organics) You need to Flush the soil with plain water. You need to use 2 times as much water as the size of the pot, for example: If you have a 5 gallon pot and need to flush it, you need to use 10 gallons of water to rinse out the soil good enough to get rid of excessive nutrients.

Note: Blood Meal, Dried Blood, Guanos, Kelp Meal, Cotton Seed Meal, Peat Moss,
Sulfur and fish meal are all acidic and can bring your ph down, so if you add these please monitor your ph when using those.

Note: Bone Meal, Rock Phosphate, Wood Ashes pretty much all ashes, Shellfish Compost and Crab Meal are all alkaline and can make your ph go up, so if you add any of these please monitor your ph.

 

[Big Beans]

Very nice my man!!! Yeah that looks like it can be cured quite easily. Do the cubes have a chance to dryout alittle inbetween wateres?

 

[BCBudd]

Yes they get watered 30 mins after lights on and 30 mins before lights out + reps to both of you for all the help. Very muchly appreciated.